This is not a valid way to argue that there is no problem.

I gave broader examples.

The "code" of the boards?

Not related to the SPIKE system.

Facts are facts. The number of bad node boards was small compared to the games shipped, and the problems have almost completely dried up.

Beyond comprehension? I comprehend it quite well, as do others.

To say that SPIKE "sucks" or is a "failure" is in fact, nonsense.

But examples given by others is?

Truly, your logic is dizzying.

Yes, examples of a problem are precisely how you determine that there is a problem.

No one in my family has cancer. I have never met anyone with cancer. I’m not seeing a problem. But I believe others may have. If I do some research and use my ability to read I can find out that others have experienced what I have not, and they have documented that experience for others in an attempt to help and perhaps prepare others in advance.

If you don't know that the node boards are run off code then we might as well stop the discussion now as you are sorely uneducated about what node boards are, how they function and what really occurs.

I'm happy that your 1 single game, your friends game and some random route operator are not having issues. But nearly all of the major route operators have confirmed this is a concern. Sorry if I take my personal experience and their (like Whysnow's and the guy that routes his games in Vegas) opinion over your very small sample set.

The good news is that Stern is taking care of owners, for now but that leads to the problem at hand and that is confidence in the product, thus my other examples of issues since Spike came out.

If Tron VE should be coming, do you think it is with the whole LE rules ( included extra MB) and with an LCD?

Gomez has said a LOT of things that weren't strictly true or were later proven to be...misguided. LotR os one of the most popular pins they ever made, but it has the usual issues with Sterns of that era (most notably flipper fade on long games). They had it running on Spike as a test of the platform when it was being developed, didn't they? I can totally see them re-doing the graphics for the different aspect ration of the spike screen + color. They would sell a buttload of them.

I finally picked up a Tron (pro). If Murphy is watching, this means Tron VE should be announced later this week.

I hope you are right

I just sold a game to get Maiden or BM66 but am having a hard time pulling the trigger. If I could get a Tron VE or a reasonably priced Tron Pro that would make my decision much easier.

Is Tron the favorite candidate to be the next vault edition?

tron and lotr have been rumored by the community for years now. Unless Stern upped or renewed the Disney license? Disney/lego just released tron lego set so they may be trying to cash in on tron again.

Batman comic book style

Cabinet resolution on original was poor...

yes, true, but not a prob if... it was an LE

Is there a schedule on when the public can expect the next Stern Vault to come out (whatever it may be) or do they release them at random?

It is random and ST was the latest one not long ago. Distributors would always have the latest information.

So I guess we won't see any more this year and that sucks they classify ST as a vault release. I mean re-run of production. So many other titles that are in demand.

Exactly, many titles are in demand, such as all the ones in current production and 3 others to follow soon. AC/DC is also still on the line as a vault. Last run of MET is happening according to the last Stern tour. March should end the 3 year production run unless the license is renewed. http://www.sternpinball.com/games

On the Slam Tilt podcast they suggested that the next Stern release may be a vault (before Munsters is released). I wonder what pin it would be? I’m thinking Metallica or The Walking Dead.

Munsters hit the production line. Uhhh...MET just had its last run, so it can't be a vault right now.

Didn’t realize that about Metallica. I hope you’re right... looking forward to seeing Munsters.

It was posted on Stern's Facebook page not long ago that it was at the end of the run.

I think it's Metallica still. Heard some rumors but with the new code it would make sense.

Metallica isn’t going to be a vault for a long, long time. Stern extended the license on it, and it never went away. It was made for much longer than the regular title. You have to think demand’s been filled for that one.

TWD would be more possible, in my opinion, since it has been off the line quite a while. It also had new code not all that long ago really.

I think Metallica was made for 5 1/2 years, when it just finished up on the line recently. That’s an amazing run. We may never see a vault on that one. By the time demand would be reasonable to bring it back, Stern most likely will be out of, or no longer able to produce, SAM boards.

Has TWD been off the line for a while? It seems like you could still buy them NIB until fairly recently.
I would be shocked if Stern did a vault run of either TWD or MET anytime soon.

And distributors still have NIB Star Trek games, but yet Stern released a VE. I believe TWD has been off the line for a good year or so.

I read in the past that some TWD games were made with the Spike board set.

I’d be very interested in a comic book/graphic novel of the Walking Dead pin, with newer story elements such as Negan.

I wonder how many current TWD owners would sell their games and get a comic book version. This would be a good move for Stern.

They really need to go back and do something interesting, make a TRUE VAULT edition like we haven’t seen the likes of since Spider-Man. the often rumored Tron vault with new throwback art is a no-brainer.

TWD production ended about a year ago. I remember the “last call” messages about this time last year. I am sure many distributors stocked up and some have them in stock today.

I have given up on TRON VE and LOTR VE to be honest. Not sure why Stern isn't making them...

Seems like an abnormally high amount of Tron LE coming up for sale recently

I've given up too. Tron Vault is the only pin I really want NIB at this point. I love the theme and gameplay. I don't think they'll ever Vault either one of them. Stern, prove me wrong!

I could really see a TWD Vault done comic style aka Spidey.

User ready....

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Without going into detail again as it's been done repeatedly. LotR would be very difficult as it would require massive licensing and product redesign. It's Whitestar, not SAM, and would require old boards to be made or the whole system to be converted (sound would need work as it's awful). It's also loaded and couldn't be made as a PRO so that means it would be expensive and low demand for a pin that is already in huge supply.

It's not impossible but highly unlikely they would do LotR. TRON is a possibility though, it has no toys and would be cheap to produce.

I might be down for one of these vaults:

Metallica: Ride the Lightning
TWD: comic hand drawn art by ZY
GOT: re-designed art package with working code release/upgrade.
TRON: with LCD and re-designed playfield Art.

They just released Seawitch and Melons vault editions...

X-Men

already said, my TWD seems to be from last runs (july 2017 build)... did someone get a more recent one ?

hard to believe

as overall bad love for this pin, which for me is not deserved (really enjoyed my MAGNETO), and no real ask for that title on the marketplace

No on Metallica. Stern made more of these than probably any other pin in existence! They just or are about to wind down the final run of these on the line.
I’m fine with vault but my personal opinion is they need to a minimum of 10 years past original build date. So Metallica for me would be 2023 to be acceptable. AC/DC was ridiculously too soon as well. Again,JMHO.

I bought my TWD PRO in October 2017. Distributor said it was the last run.

A few years ago they would release a new title at CES, however last year they didn’t. Maybe they’ll drop a new one this year as jack danger is also going with them to ces....

I would be expecting the new Munsters at CES, not a VE.

Omg if they made an 80s Tron???!!!
Mini games on the LCD?
Take my money Stern.
The theme is the main reason I don't want one in my home right now.
I'm too much of a fan of the original. The newer movie theme only serves the purpose of irritatingly me.

As much as I like the nostalgia of TRONs 80s movie - I prefer the Legacy movie more. Also, the modes and PF have a lot of the newer characters in the grid and it would be a completely different game if it was based on the original characters.

My preference would be to just update the resolution on the PF and cab art add an LCD with the movie footage - it would be good to go as a great vault!

The next vault needs to be tron. It will then easily get bought.

I don't know why this game calls me so much. I don't think I need any other game in my house besides that and the one I have. A theater of magic. I don't have much room.

Tron tron tron.

You know what I'm talking about...

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