spike sucks

Decals can be easily replaced when damaged.

Something else sucks......

That means he has zero desire to tell you, a random dude at an expo show.

Everyone keeps thinking they will add features to the VE yet they removed the mech from the goblin on the SMVE just to save a few bucks. They didn't include figures on LOTR LE either. The molded figures on IM were likely because the original toys were no longer available in the volume they needed. If Tron VE has all LE features then I would expect a hefty price tag.

Interesting point. You want a bare bone stock Tron.... Just in 2018. That makes sense as that should be cheaper. Reality check is that the market is not looking for that. Stern knows this which is why they went LED for all of their games. They aren't looking to cater to bare bone options especially their vaults.....

I would personally play SW or any pin more than 50 times before I start to complain about how bad it is. Especially if I already own it.

Go play Endor now and blow up the Death Star. Complete Escape from BF. At least give it a good shot. Something?

They also added steel webslingers to Spidey, and a removable lower playfield screen to AC/DC.

And how much more did they charge compared to the originals? My NIB SM was under 4K.

One of the worst pins in some time. Such a missed opportunity

Decent theme, awesome pin. It's getting better with time as well. So many options and interweaving shit going on and a lot of thought has to go in to stacking orders and when to do things. Oh and the multipliers... goddamn best thing that ever happened. I thought they were good on GOT but well above here. Lots of folks are upset aboot the low doll turn out but I don't listen much to doll-sniffers.

I wasn't making a price debate. Just saying that they make improvements, some cosmetic, some based on things that broke a lot.

Stern please don't. Nobody (or at least less people) would want the original Tron art.

LED's are fine but half blue and half orange or even all blue, no thanks. I'm sure they would do cool white LED's which is fine, I just don't want a dark blue game which nearly every modded Tron has.

If you're saying their isn't a market for a Tron with LE features (drop targets, Ramps, moving rec and Daft punk MB) but none of the other extra's owners placed on their games I would have to respectfully disagree. I would be surprised if several current Pro owners didn't sell their games to to get a "premium" or "VE" (whatever Stern would call it) Tron.

Hahahaha.. too funny.

Yeah that guy I guess is from the cartoons? But yes it's lame. Honestly I don't notice him anymore.

I hear what you're saying, and I hate to be "that guy," but it kind of sounds like you have no idea what the f&#* is happening. Of course I don't care if you impregnate your game or push it in the sea, but since you love the theme so much you might want to take a second to try to learn it a little more.

A big part of the game for me, contrary to what you hear, is it doesn;t screw you over but you do it to yourself. Changing the Xs and end up missing a ball, button killing tie fighters and draining....all that shit is gold.

Oh man there better be at least 3 Eddies & Ed Force One on Maiden or meltdowns are coming. *spoilers - it's an eddie head bash toy*

No - I agree with you. There is DEF a market for a Tron with LE features however that will carry premium price tag. I thought you were looking for a stock pro "vault" edition and that's not going to happen.

btw - whatever vault is released, it won't have that DP MB. That's the unique element to the LE so if it does, expect riots. All the other features you mentioned can be put on a pro (even that moving rec - but that's a waste to me) - including drop targets. The question then is why pay for a vault that will likely be priced at 7200 msrp/6800 street when you can get a modded pro that has all those features and then some for same or a little less? I'll be curious to see what they do as "enhancements" b/c we know now it's not a LCD screen. Knowing stern, it will be something minor.

if you're a "player", and dont care with modding stuffs, go with ST pro without a doubt, it plays (quite) the same as the PREM/LE (in fact i'm only missing the left outlane kickback)

and doesnt understand why waiting/gambling on a possible TWD VE, as quite sure there're still NIB (pro) available in stock !?
TWD is a good choice too, same as above, pro version is enough

Got my TRON in 2015 despite many people’s assurances that it was the next Vault and would be announced “any day now.”

Glad I did not wait.

Please no port to SPIKE. I'm really beginning to think (via experience) that the SPIKE systems are much less reliable and am shying away from them whenever I can.

As it stands, I own a LOTRLE so don't care about a vault on that and have owned 3 Trons in the past so I'm kind of done with that I think. I should have simply kept my Tron Pro that had full chrome and all the upgrades. That was one pin sale I do actually regret.

I wasn't saying the game and art should be about the original Tron move. It would still be Tron Legacy.

Nonsense. I've owned SPIKE games as well as several friends and ops. No issues.

Shy away from them all you want. They're aren't going away, and SAM isn't coming back.

That's where I'm at with my Tron. Has all the good upgrades including color and chrome. I know if I sell I'll be kicking myself. You can still find a good deal and get back in the club!

Yeah no one I know who owns Sterns games with Spike has ever had any trouble, in fact with the exception of GB's ghosting inserts issue I've never heard of any problems with Stern period, not worth getting bent outta shape over anyway. I'm not saying the issues aren't there just that its not this crisis its made out to be on pinside.

Yup! There are always a few issues when you make thousands of games, but if you listened to some people, it would be an epidemic.

One wonders if Pinside had been around when SAM debuted, and a couple of people had an issue.

"SAM sucks! Bring back Whitestar! It was solid!"

Wont argue the quality of games since Spike came out but Node board issues is a real problem and more importantly they can be hard to find when yours fails depending on which one you need. Outside the node board issues my Spike game has been just as reliable as my SAM games. I do exponentially hate how they took out the coindoor switch though.

LOTRVE at 5k!

I was at TPF and listened to George Gomez speak about the node boards. The failure rate was very small among the total number of games that Stern shipped, but even that numbered has dwindled down to almost nothing more recently. He also stated that Stern will be releasing schematics to the node boards this year, so they will no longer be a closed box. Repairs will be easier, and mod makers will have a better idea of how design their products around it's electrical requirements.

I’m with this guy. It’s your game so do as you like, but since you already own it why not put in a few more hours to see if you can figure out the game a bit before you toss it? Takes a bit for things to click but once they do, it’s such a rush to play.

There are some good basic tutorials over in the SW owners thread to get you started.

This is far from accurate. I've sold 5 different "used" Sterns for more than they sold for "new" in the past two years. Stern has consistently raised it's NIB pricing each year, for the last 6 years.

I think it's Admiral Ackbar.
http://www.moviequotedb.com/movies/star-wars-episode-vi-return-of-the-jedi/character_3177.html

yeah, they speak...
this remember me when we have ghosting on new pins, after a while they've also said : ok now its over, we've resolved it...
than a very small rate ? do you believe it ?

now, the second part of your post seems right (well lets hope), and this is a good news of course
but also, because it has to be said again, STERN finally takes care of his customers, not only with ghosting PF but also with defect node board

(after gettings ghosting + node board on my GB) as lots of others guys, even if i'm quite interested in some new games, i dont want anymore a spike game right now

I've owned 3 SPIKE and 2 have had node board issues. 2 SPIKE games by a friend of mine on location are both down do to issues. So, yes, all pins can have troubles but in my personal experience, more issues have arisen with SPIKE games. And at $200 for a node board it isn't necessarily cheap and compound that with lost revenue.

Of course, SAM isn't coming back and I'm not swearing off SPIKE games but if I have a choice I'll go with something else. No big deal.

Darin

Have purchased every spike game made and every single one has had issues beyond minor.

Node boards failing is the biggest concern, but the current weak flipper problem is a deal killer also on GOTG.

Nope. When Tron VE is released it will be a reskin of the 1982 movie.

That would be great but I just don't see it happening.

I would. My Tron is from the 3rd and final run, and the decal print quality blows the direct screened cabs away. I'd never want to trade back to the screened cab, they look pretty crummy.

Stern didn't go to decals because they look better, they did it because IT'S CHEAPER. period. a quick rub at the right angle on a decal and it's shot, on a screened game not so much.

I quite enjoy playing Star Wars Pro. The shots are fun, it plays fast, there is a lot to do.

To each their own, I suppose.

And, the decal print quality blows the direct screen away never-the-less. So I don't care. Stern's direct print cabs look like shit.

Meanwhile I've owned my Tron for years, and the cab looks just fine.

Don't hold your breath on that.

End of Line.

My bad, I phrased it wrong. I meant to say "...that are bringing more on the used market than a new Stern costs today". I'll correct it....

It’s not nonsense. It is just not nonsense. It is real and it’s depressing. Schematics will help, so that’s good. Do you think the people who are worried about Spike WANT to be? Of course not. I want to keep buying machines for crying out loud. But they KEEP breaking. Kiss, broke. GB, broke. Aerosmith, broke. I’ve never had other machines snap like these. I wish it wasn’t so but it is.

... and that's when I'm fairly confident that my Tron Pro goes up for sale to get the VE .

Stern ships thousands of games. Your run of bad luck is just that, in the grand scheme of things. It sucks, but they will make it right for you.

Like I reiterated, I'm not seeing the problem, by fiends with Sterns are not seeing the problem, the ops I know are not seeing the problem.

So, broadly calling these systems failures is nonsense.

Why is his experience not valid but yours is?

If it's not a problem why is their a fix kit for some boards?

If it's not a problem why did stern change the code of the boards multiple times during release?

Let's also keep in mind during the release of SPIKE you've not only had node board concerns but also cabinet construction issues and major ghosting concerns.

Is whysnow's experience as a route owner not valid credit? He's also posted he's had major issues as well.

Face the facts. Spike has gone through some growing pains which has put some collectors on a buying hold until they feel comfortable that the games being shipped are up to standard again.

SAM and I'm sure other platforms had issues as well but to dismiss wildly known and documented problems because your friends didn't have an issue is beyond comprehension.

Let's put this another way. The tekata airbag recall. How many Tekata airbags have actually thrown shrapnel into people? How many airbags have been installed world wide. Not a fair example you say because those airbags haven't gone off, OK, how many airbags have gone off and not thrown shrapnel? Those % are much smaller than the % of people with none board failures. Would you also argue that their wasn't an issue with those airbags?