Whats the real story behind CC? I know its the last machine Williams made.....but would be cool to hear more about the history of it

AFM is next.
I would guess CC is after that followed by MB.

It's much more of a niche market for this title. CCR is good but I don't feel it has epic appeal like Medieval Madness. MM appeals to the majority of pinball enthusiasts. I do not feel the same percentage of folks share the love for CC, or the revamped CCR.

I got no horse in this race but strictly $-wise, I would say Monster Bash could sell more units than MMr has sold. I would build and sell that one if I was trying to make $ on a re-make.

I doubt CC. It actually is not a very good game. It could have been much better if complete. But still a bit easy. And from what others have said they will not have the rights to make it CCC. The price of CC only comes from being limited availability and being the last off the Williams factory line. If CCr comes out it will be neither.

A frame of hi-res artwork for the AFM missile launcher tread had already been found mixed in with the MMr artwork. Also I think someone had seen something else at the factory while picking up their MMr but that post was quite a while ago.

All signs point to AFMr and MBr. They are the highest priced / highest ranked games.

It was the last DMD game made. It only got made because Pinball 2000 wasn't ready to hit the line yet and they needed something to fill space, so they took a game that was mostly done and ran it. Matt, the original programmer left WMS before the game was REALLY finished. What was released is fully playable, of course, it just didn't get fully rounded out and polished like most WMS games.

I hope CCR gets done. Fantastic theme, art, and music. The call-outs are hilarious- "Honey, just shoot anything." I love the layout and implementation of the drop targets. I would love to see more of this all-too-rare title out in the world.

Good reasoning here for why CC has to be next!

What ever happened to the "next" from PPS? Been crickets for a long time! I wonder if Stern is willing to build their next game for them?

CCR is in the queue to be done at some point and will have new re-written and extended code ... just cannot say when and in what order and of course always subject to change with CGC.

From what I remember, CC was supposed to be a fully polished game. But in the middle of development, WMS wanted to push the Pin2000, so they told the production team to hurry up and push what they had out - distributors were told that it was going to be a limited run of under 1000. I remember my distributor out in Colorado calling me up, and asking if I wanted to order one for $3100. I said no. ARGH.

I love playing Cactus Canyon and would for sure order one if it gets produced again. Same with Monster Bash.

If all remakes had updated code, animations, and modes that would be really cool. Player could choose this or original gameplay.

that sounds expensive and i'm sure it will be many years down the road but could this be the first ten thousand dollar remake? won't be cheap! of course by then the average new pin will probably cost about that anyway.

That's pretty exciting news to get that confirmation.

completely wrong assumption. Re-writing code just takes more linear time of 1-2 people ... given the game code, display, and sounds for the base game are done, it's not a huge effort ... it won't take years, and it won't add alot of cost to the game ... oy.

CC is at the top my want list, way ahead of AFM, and MB doesn't even make my list. Different strokes for different folks.

I wonder what else will get remade???

Any B/W game that currently sells for more that 8k in decent condition are going to be suspects. You can bet that CC, AFM, MB are all on that list.

why is this in the tech forum?

My first choice would be to have "Wizard Blocks" completed and sold in kit form. I'm probably dreaming on that one though!

Great news, CCR with finished code would be awesome. Hoping KingpinR with new re-written and extended code is also in the queue somewhere.

Bam! Love it.

Well reading this.will have to start a fund. Didn't care about AFM or MB. But Cactus Canyon I will have to make the purchase.

Yes Kingpin deserves a long look for sure. Played one for the first time at PAGG last year & the game had a lot of potential. Great dots, great theme. It's a Capcom game though, so that might be an issue.

I would love to have one but I don't have the cash I can't justify selling off my keepers (not fish tales) for this

Fantastic news Rick. I'd be in on a CC. MB isn't my cup of tea and with only room for 3 machines, AFM doesn't make the cut either since I have MMR.

Awesome news, depending on when it happens I could definitely see myself buying one.

I'm sure you have plenty of time... start saving a penny a day and you'll be fine.

Kingpin would be my grail game and would be much easier to get a large number of buyers IMHO.

MMr announcement was made in October 2013 at Expo, thats almost been 3 years ago.

Fast forward to today and not even 100% sure that Planetary has finished filling all of the MMr orders.

If AFM is next and announced yet this year, figure October 2018 before any are shipped
Cactus Canyon 2021 ?
Monster Bash 2024 ??

So is this new and creative ideas from CGC or is the plan to 'borrow' what epthegeek did with CCC?

An mmr standerd (non le trim) costs £7995 = $10'502.83 where a standerd in the states is $7995. A Ghostbusters Pro costs £5995= $7875.48 (Nib star trek pro last november was £5000) which i believe is le price over where you are and an le here is £8995 = $11'816.73. All i'm saying is the hobby over here for nib machines and to be fair machines in general are far more expensive and that saying not all of us can afford it.

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The first one took some time but by now CGC probably has the second game system upgrade already developed and initial parts stockpiled or stockpiling. I wouldn't be surprised to see these running down the line soon after Expo, especially if Stern is amenable to continuing assembly of the second game.

Kinda off topic but... If it's not that envoled to do... What ever happened to TOTAN or CV 2.0???

I hope that CC isn't the only remake that gets new code or 2.0'd ... I understand why that wasn't done with MM, but there are definitely some potential remakes that could do with updating. I'd think MB (if it's #3) would be among them.

I think TOTAN is a good candidate for a remake. High prices and not very many were made.

well given that totan and cv are both popdiuk games and would have required his involvement for a 2.0 game (vs a remake) I think you can all assume given what has happened that this will not likely happen ...

For clarity, does that mean no totanR or just no totan2.0?

Can't you employ him to write the code? That way he can start paying back all that lost money.

So what's the time frame on future remake releases? Do you anticipate a machine a year now that CGC is through the steep part of the learning curve?

that would mean not likely any totan 2.0 ... we can remake a game without the designer ... we always love to have them on board, but not a requirement ... I am not going to speculate on timing given that is entirely up to CGC, but you would expect give the electronics platform to be very stable and done as well as the experience on game one to help speed up. You can also bet that I am heavily involved in doing whatever I can to get each title spaced closer together.

rick

I and I'm sure many others would have loved to see TOTAN 2.0.

not really sure not having JPoP on board would be seen as an impediment to a 2.0, by many people these days ...

Everyone hopes that is the case Rick, but you have made the same statement concerning other projects....

then why ask me ... as i have said many times ... CGC is running the game ... game #2 is about to be annouced, game #3 and #4 have been started ... I can either stop making statements or I will continue to make statements based on what I am told ... I can go either way, but I can tell you if I stop, then CGC is not likely to start providing updates.

This is pretty sweet I was gonna buy a game of thrones but now that I know an endless river of 90s Williams classics are gonna be rolling off the line with the frequency of weekday morning bagels I'm all in on those!

Thanks for the update!

I'll agree with you on this. Any updates are better then no updates.
Thanks

I have never purchased a new in box machine but i would a Cactus Canyon.