Doubt it. They’re not making 12,000 of them. But I guess it’s how you look at it. Yes the original pins will take a hit on its value. And this goes for both CC and BBB. However what’s there target sales numbers to make the remake profitable? 500/1000/1500?
Even if they reach these numbers it will still be on the slightly rare side. Can’t wait to play a brand new CC or BBB!

I agree, however, it will be interesting to see the differences in the new codes they come up with.
It may be three completely different games from an Original to CCC and the remake.

Please please please CGC make CC your next remake. Please please please.

You need to say pretty please

The remake will only be CC, not CCC, if they remake it.

Do you have new inside information from what has previously been mentioned in this thread? Rick has “hinted” but not confirmed at the possibilities of something expanded from original CC code. He could just be taking about enhanced lighting or other enhancements... or he could be talking about taking a route similar (but not necessarily the same) as CCC.

Well put me down on that there list then. CCR is one of my all time favorites!

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Please please CC and not MB otherwise I have to sell at least one of my loved ones in order to afford a MBrLE...

None of those quotes even hint at using CCC software. It won't happen. Software will be standard CC with maybe some slight updates or changes.

This is what I hear.

I think they have to update code on CC or it kills it for me, i would rather just have a original with cont. Software.

I think we agree then. I don’t think I said or inferred that they would be using CCC software. I just read them (and wrote) they they will be doing something to the original code to “enhance” it. Pretty sure those original quotes do more than hint at that.

Totally and completely agree with this statement.

CCC is great but there is no way it would come home "intact" because of the licensed music it uses (for Cowboys and Aliens) plus the assets and sounds it borrows from other licensed games (Tribute modes) and if you can't have those modes then Continued is hardly Continued at all!

That said... I would much rather have a remake with "Continued-style" software than an original with the same, if just to get rid of the PROC controller and all the mini PC and Linux issues. I have a CCC here right now and I just dread that any time that thing boots up might be it's last, lol. MMR doesn't feel all that different than the PROC to be honest, but also feels much more stable.

Re: MBr in March and CCr around Expo time ... I seriously doubt their ability to meet demand for MMr, AFMr, MBr *and* CCr in 2018.

From what Doug has said on these boards, it seems like at year end they under shot the production numbers aimed at earlier in the year by quite a large margin - though obviously still a huge achievement, starting from zero.

If there aren't going to be long waits for just the first three titles, they'll have to really ramp up production. Add CCr as well in the same year as MBr ... I'm a bit doubtful about that. Particularly as I think there will be a ton of new orders for MMr once the larger screen option is available.

As I said before, you can look for CGC to open up a second line for pinball. Didn't think it would happen until 2019 but looks like it will happen late this year if they are putting CCr into the mix. Agree with you that MMR will pick up a lot of new sales if they put the large screen as an option.

I agree, it looks like they're going to go all in, and new lines are probably to be expected.

But running 4 titles just 18 months after starting pinball production, and meeting demand for all 4? That seems quite ambitious ..

I see one a year.

Do you have a backup? I know Robert winter sold his with a backup hard drive or whatever

Have you heard something new regarding the large display screen coming to MMr. My understanding is they are working on this as a possible upgrade to existing machines, but won’t be offering it directly installed at the factory for new machines. Here is a post from Doug back in the summer on the Production thread:

It's highly unlikely that they would make new customers upgrade from standard to a larger display. That would be off-putting. It'd just be offered as standard for a higher price. Like the standard / SE AFMr.

Since that post, he's recently confirmed it is being actively worked on, but it's not ready to show yet.

Haven't they already produced over 500 MMr units in the last 9 months, and there are long waiting times for new ones? Given how much demand for both AFMr and MMr seems to be exceeding supply at the moment, I'd say that's selling quite well.

Unless they can seriously ramp production, and quickly, especially with a title that will likely be as popular as MBr, 4 titles in production next year will just exacerbate that situation.

If they can't meet demand, then there's literally no point adding another machine to the line.

This is an interesting thought with merit and one that I hadn't considered. I like to learn and have an open mind to things and I will be following this.

I completely agree and its fits with Planetary's recent announcement of games coming soon. Chicago Gaming ultimately wants that factory humming 24/7 and having multiple titles would accomplish this.

Edit: But Rubberducks makes some valid points.

Doug has confirmed that they are working on an upgrade but I’ve never seen him say they are going to offer it directly from the factory. I’ve only seen him post that they specifically won’t do that. Don’t get me wrong, I would love it if they did since I would get one in a heartbeat. But it might off-putting for original customers if they offer a potentially better machine now. I think that’s why they’ve decided to go the upgrade route for everyone instead.

Here are his latest posts regarding this that I could find:

Why would they force new customers on day one of their ownership to junk their speaker panel, LCD, possibly speakers, and possibly other parts (wiring harnesses etc) for a new one?

It would be a total waste and wouldn't go over well.

Imagine if the SE and LE AFMr relied on an upgrade kit, where you binned your original display and speaker panel? That would have gone down like a lead balloon.

No new customer wants to pay for both.

The unused parts would be virtually worthless, too, since there's no secondary market for them - aren't compatible with original MMs, speaker panels aren't going to fail, and past the initial honeymoon period, LCDs are quite unlikely to fail.

I agree with you. It would be a waste of time, money, and resources. The only reason would be not to offend their original customers. But based on Doug’s posts that’s my understanding of what their plans are unless they change their mind.

I would imagine he just doesn't want to say too much, as, as you say, someone will get their knickers in a twist.

Offering a discount to those who've bought the coloured upgrade is certainly warranted. Particularly as I think the chips associated with the colour upgrade are not transferable between machines?

But they'd kill new sales if they bring out the upgrade as kit only, or offer it as a factory option that's as expensive as a full price kit.

Is JPop so untouchable now that a ToM remake couldn't happen? Imagine, a little tweaked code, some new callouts, modern video display and a deeper wizard mode more like CV's. A very good pin made perfect.

PPS recently said it was among the titles which were scheduled to be remade by CGC - MB, CC, BBB, ToM were the titles mentioned.

If there's more money to be made, i'm sure they are looking into it.

I hope I those of us who have paid for the color upgrade on MMr would get some type of discount on the he new large display.

You'll get the same five finger discount.

Since I'm not from the US, no.

Owned one for a while... your not missing much as its nothing special imo. Its fun for a month or 2.

I see BBB or King Pin

Solid hint was given a year ago...TX release so it all adds up.
My hope is BBBr is next so I can buy another machine from them. AFM is a good game and so is CC but BBB is on my my hit list.