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Elwin, 2015
Iron Maiden: Legacy of the Beast (LE)
Stern, 2018
Iron Maiden: Legacy of the Beast (Premium)
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Quoted from kpg:Deposit placed on IFM LE !
Anyone know of Stern's estimated production date? I'd like to know and add + 2 months to set the proper expectations of delivery
Let’s hope you get a good PF Kpg 
Another leap of faith I see?
Quoted from Stones:I missed the LE pricing..anyone say what the street price is yet?
Concrete just said somebody is wanting $9299 no shipping now.
Supposedly it was $8799 shipped before
I’m thinking no F ing way. But we all lose our collective got damn minds when it comes to this BS
Quoted from J85M:Pffft that’s cheap Ice
Here in the UK an LE quoted from our official distributor (not including our independent resellers - the guys we go to) is £10,800 that’s about $15,200
Man you guys are F Ed and insane at that price Jon!
I say if you love it knock yourself out
It’s crazy how we have gotten to this point though
And yet I’ll be the one first in line on the Munsters boutique. Already dropped $12500 on POTCCE.
We all need some kind of mental help because it really is F ing insane
Quoted from Stones:I thought the LE model was toast for Stern, but fak....this one looks solid...
No shit. It’s hard to believe isn’t it
I feel like this party is going to end like a drunken frat party gone bad... or really good? Animal House
We are gonna wake up one day and wonder wtf just happened!
Quoted from rotordave:Just say no Ice.
“No”
Rolls off the tongue nicely.
Quite easy to do. You don’t need to buy one.
And 12,500 for POTC CE is just fucking insane.
rd
Exactly RD. And I’m NOT buying this one
But, your Aussies play Rugby and have their nutsacks ripped open for fun. And keep playing
Kind of the same thing, no?
Quoted from Pinzzz:Stern sold out of 799 Star Trek LE’s....
At what price. I had one reserved and canceled because of the non laser and aluminum foil ball, late redesign etc. This ain’t your daddy’s ST
You better want to own a pin costing this much, with 500 made, for a LONG F ing time because you will lose your ass when you go to sell it
No pin, NONE of them are going to maintain these values over time
Remember the EM?
Quoted from Concretehardt:From what I have been told the LE only has upgraded JBL speakers and EQ.
That’s what I got sucked into last weekend when I purchased an F pace sport package with all the bells and whistles and 380HP and the UPGRADED sound package!
For my wife btw. I have 3 girls too so I know I’m screwed. Pinball is my only safe place 
F it, bought Alice and going to Vegas this weekend. All in on Villanova to win the big prize
I’m leaving the LE mania to you guys
Quoted from PinMonk:300 and 200 respectively, although lots of the LTBRs were shipped overseas. Only leaving 200 Maiden LEs in the US is leaving a LOT of money on the table. Stern finally gets it right and they turn around and get it wrong.
Leaving $$$ on the table is what makes it "limited" and allows them to sell them for more $$$ and bigger profits in the future. The worst thing they could do is continue to try and squeeze every dime out of every product while destroying the future secondary market in the process.
When you keep raising prices you better do something to make it more desirable.
No they got it right this time.
Quoted from j_m_:after they're all sold out (new policy @ sternpinball w/ premium models) and distro's have taken 100% of deposit money. images will only be send to a few people with explicit instructions not to share
Wtf?
That can’t be right. That’s idiotic
How do you sell out of the premium
Quoted from hocuslocus:what is the end price for an LE supposed to be now?
Got mine for $8799 today from a great distro
Quoted from RichieWrench:yeah -- wont pay above list with anyone like that -- Just does not seem right - So Just my opinion
You might need a wrench to pull out whatever they did to you on the bend over and ankle grab
Quoted from wcbrandes:........for Christmas!
That too Billy, gonna roll it out during the holidays into the living room next to my Xmas tree!
Quoted from Eskaybee:lol, nice 'unbiased' comparison. Here, let's see if I can add more to this with my 'unbiased' thoughts:
MET:
- A-Typical Fan layout: Check
- Unoriginal design: Check
- Uninspring lars call outs: Check
- Grinding woodchopping rules: check
IMDN:
- Inventive layout: Check
- Creative Ruleset: Check
- Amazing Sounds and Call outs: Check
- Blows MET out of the water: Check
P.S - Good luck finding a MET NIB for $1500; might be a good investment opportunity if you can.
EDIT: but to be fair, MET really is an awesome pin. It's just no IMDN
The HUGE difference to me is the "unoriginal design" of MET, still a great pin but creative and different is what I look for!
Quoted from Mike_J:As long as my decals don't start peeling and my cabinet stays intact, I'll be thrilled.
This is a sad commentary, but my expectations are low.
Karma may not be on your side here Mike!
Quoted from BoJo:You got ripped off and I got mine for 8K from skyemont's distributor.
Wtf?
Quoted from vid1900:MAP = Minimum ADVERTISED Price
The distributors can sell it for anything they want, higher or lower than the MAP
Stern can't control what a distributor actually sells it for, because that would violate federal price fixing laws.
BOSE speaker company got in trouble with the feds for trying to fix the SELLING price from it's dealers.
So now you always see the same ADVERTISED price everywhere when BOSE are on sale, yet you can buy them for much less in person.
(BTW, I'm certainly NOT suggesting you buy BOSE, lol.....)
So Stern basically suggested that the distributors collude to fix prices
Quoted from mnpinball:Bottom cabinet speaker is a Goldwood USA, same speaker that was in the Luci pin. At least it is an upgrade from the cheap pro speaker.
You aren't allowed to be gone for the arrival MN!!! Where are your priorities.
Quoted from bigd1979:Just wanted to point out what i saw... not trying to start a shit storm. We really enjoyed maiden and will b looking to get a premium at some point. Just was concerned wirh these new pins pulled out for the show allready showing issues.
Way to go BigD
Quoted from vid1900:I've repaired 100s of Gott cabs back in the day too.
Biscuits, and dowels are great for alignment, but not strength. Finish nails are great to hold a joint until the glue dries- but they pull out easily, bend easily.
The only substantially stronger joint than the different loc-joints would be Dovetail joints - and those would telegraph that trapezoid pattern through the paint. It might look cool on the right title if unpainted.
The real problem with pin cabs is they are a poor design choice. An open frame box is simply weak from the getgo.
Man now I can drink beer today and relax!
Thx Vid
What would you say is the difference on a JJP cab? Serious question
Quoted from vid1900:It looks like the JJP cab is not plywood, it's Medium Density Fiberboard
It appears to have brad nails in it.
It appears to have a lap joint rather than a locking corner joint.Medium Density Fiberboard is about 40% heavier than plywood, so that makes for a really heavy cab.
They are damn heavy. Any real benefit of using the fiberboard?
Quoted from vid1900:Advantages:
MDF is half the price of MDO Plywood.
MDF is 40% heavier, so you get a much heavier game without making the cabinet panels thicker.
Disadvantages:
If MDF gets wet it soaks up water like a sponge and expands.
MDF has 1/2 of the screw holding power.
MDF is much less impact resistant on the corners.
So despite being heavier, lesser cost and quality versus the Stern cabs. 
Quoted from Billy16:My experience is that neither plywood nor MDF are really good at holding a corner joint, especially if stressed.
So one is heavier and costs less. Makes sense, any corner joint that is getting hammered is gonna have a potential issue.
I just played my Woz, yes its harder to nudge!
And can't wait to get IMDNLE in the house!
Quoted from delt31:I hate to continue woodgate but this is nonsensical. Of course JJP is higher quality. I've owned many a stern and a few JJP - WOZ almost killed me after taking it out myself from the car and I miscalculated the heavier weight distro due to the tv in the head. When I played WOZ or DI, you could barely even nudge the game! With the new sterns, I could probably flip it over while playing if I wanted. Night and day diff.
That being said, I love them both!
Heavy is cheaper. Doesn’t equal quality.
I own both too. And my Woz butter cab is sweet
Possibly the most overblown pile of pinball nonsense ever
Quoted from mollyspub:I'm getting ready to order a pro. First nib, first stern. This is what I can expect ???
They make thousands of pinball machines a year. No one else is even remotely close.
I’ve purchased 7 Stern pins Nib and the only issue I’ve ever had was with my BM66 turn table. Fixed right away with great customer service
Don’t worry about it
Quoted from vid1900:Back when I had my route, our local distributor would pay for us to deliver games to wealthy clients.
We would always do a 24-hour burn in on the games and then deliver them unboxed.
There would always be a dozen little problems with the games, so finding them ahead of time ment much less trouble for the distributor.
I thought Bally games were perfect ?
Quoted from cscmtp:Who is your distributor??
Who was the distributor
Quoted from DS_Nadine:Well, when you're far away from the US you can't buy your game boxed at a good dealer, because after having been shipped araound half the globe there's allways something broken-ish, wich the distrubutor wants to check/ fix before delivering. (Picture) - So an unboxed game is actually a good thing.
But in the US I'd guess it's just a game Hilton didn't want because there was Kanedas poop beneath the cab and they try to sell to someone else.
Wtf, where is that?
Quoted from DS_Nadine:Dont forget:
1) Stern ships overseas first in freight containers because they take a month to arrive. And of course that container is FULL.
2) Dialed In! won GOTY TWIPY and there's nothing you can't do about it.
Haha...impressive but where are the DI's?
Love the Pinball Universe 18 wheeler!
Quoted from DS_Nadine:Long story, way too off-topic, and altough I'd like to have one the import fees together with the allready high price kills it for me.
(Personally I think one signature toy, "mid price"-segment, is also great like American Pinball did it with Houdini.)
But: The Iron Maiden Pro shipment jut got in and I'm thinking of driving over, but maybe that's a bad idea, at least for my wallet.
You need to get over there right now and grab one of those IMDN's!
Quoted from Concretehardt:Pulled this over from one of the other IMDN threads (thanks Taylor), something to think about... will installing the brackets void the warranty? Sounds like Stern would rather just warranty the Cab.
On route, I'd put the brackets in. HUO, not gonna do it on mine for the reason above. They can send me a new cab if needed
Quoted from PanzerFreak:Examples. Your game is fine and another has major issues. This guys cabinet is perfect and another is splitting. Another person's cabinet decals are fine and someone else has theirs wrinkling.
The drumbeat goes on. Just cut and paste your reply so you save time typing it out hundreds of times over and over.
This ridiculous comment implies that 50% of the games have issues like this.
Stern produced 10k pins last year. Some have issues that get fixed.
Your whining and crying here is going to do nothing. Get on the phone and call Stern and register your complaints!
And thanks for the heads up Dgoett and input, getting my LE next week!!
Quoted from mollyspub:Just saying for the money spent on a new machine, It should actually play correctly out of the box and not have to worry about the cabinet falling apart!
For the money we pay for cars we should never have to take it to the dealer to get fixed
Quoted from j_m_:but just how long would a car company or an appliance company last if their QC was as wishy-washy as stern's? I don't understand why it's the norm to expect every single other consumer item that you can purchase to work right out of the box, but when people start complaining about the lack of quality of a pinball machine, it's time to bring out the pitchforks
yes, we could vote with our dollars, but truth be told that's never going to happen. there are way too many people that will line up and put their money down for this product [sight unseen] and then bitch and moan, but continue to do the exact same thing again when another machine that fits their desires is announced
we, as a community are our own worst enemy and until everyone (and I mean everyone) takes a stand about the lack of QC, it's going to continue to happen
To me, bottom line sales are the biggest indicator of how truly bad the issue is.
And Stern is kicking ass right now
So the sky is falling mantra is way overblown
Not to say it would be nice if we got 100% defect free but that ain’t ever gonna happen in the real world
I’m thrilled with my Stern pins and looking forward to Alice and Potc
It’s all good. Pinball is great. Think positive and don’t sweat the small stuff
Quoted from PanzerFreak:Iceman, if Stern put a fork of a forklift through your cabinet I think you would say "don't worry about" it at this point, lol. Stop getting so defensive when someone questions Stern quality. At these prices a vast majority or customers want a quality product without issues.
And a VAST majority of customers get a quality product without issues. I know that’s hard for you to grasp
And oh by the way, my first Stern Nib, a LotrLE came without a pallet jack hole through the bottom of the cab!
Automated sent me a new one right away 
Quoted from j_m_:stern is no different where a good portion of their labor force is temporary help and their staff size varies on a week by week basis based on their work load. however, this translates to the issues that we are commonly seeing and the lack of QC that should be not only stopping the product from proceeding any further, but actions taken to ensure that it doesn't happen as frequently as it is
let's put it another way:
if I put out a pinball mod and charged you $500 and it arrived broken (but fixable) or scratched up, would you just deal with it or [complain and] send it back?
See what you wrote above. Stern doesn’t have engineers up and down the line putting these games together
It’s really nuts to believe that Stern doesn’t care about QC and wants to deal with issues non stop
It’s as if some people think Stern is intentionally out to F them
If the QC was that bad nobody would buy their games and their market share would go to 10%
The whole out of control pricing issue will take care of itself sooner than later
Quoted from Pimp77:Why did you request a new one if it came WITHOUT a hole?
I was a newbie back then and asked the community should I just live with it and of course I got the send back advice
Automated took it back AFTER I accepted delivery like a dummy
Obviously a fork lift ran it right through the box and into the bottom of the cab
Still, $5200 for a Nib LotrLE was nice. The good old days
Quoted from Pimp77:My joke flopped.
Yeah a split cab would be tough to deal with.
Like the PFs I’m sure they will get tired of replacing cabs and fix the issue
Didn’t Rotodave get one and glue it back himself?
Quoted from MikeS:I haven't owned either GB or SW but if I did I would pick up the Pro versions over the Premium. I've spent a good amount of time on both and think that the Pro versions of both games just play better and smoother. On Star Wars the plastic ramps on the Pro feel smoother and I like the way the horseshoe shot feels better without the jump ramp. It's nice that you can backhand the Death Star shot on the Pro which isn't really feasible on the Premium. The hyperloop is a really cool feature when you get it going but the game just doesn't feel as good to shoot compared to the Pro. On GB Premium the left ramp isn't nearly as smooth to shoot and I get way more airballs than I get on the Pro. Premium just feels clunkier and more brutal to play and I'm not a fan of the magna-slings. I don't get nearly as frustrated playing the Pro. I also kind of like the right ramp setup on the Pro vs. the Premium. It does make it a bit right flipper heavy but the game is an easy one to post-pass on which allows you to transfer to the left flipper easy enough.
Not a fan of GB pro. Right ramp blows
Love the premium/LE.
Magna slings, subway, slimer, etc
Great fun. Only thing that holds it back is it’s not Lyman code
Quoted from ZMeny:I know it’s the wrong thread but iceman the right ramp on the pro is phenomenal! Far superior and more satisfying than the right ramp on the prem/LE. Sorry guys I know wrong thread...
That's the beauty of pinball Zach! Different strokes. I played the pro a few times and was like wtf, is that ramp for real?
When you lower the right ramp on the premium/LE to minimize the rejects its a cool shot and fun to hit.
Quoted from Fytr:Ah shit. Now I have to listen to you two clowns giggling and having the time of your lives to get to the “good stuff”.
I prefer pinball podcasts featuring a raving lunatic with a persecution complex who can find the negative in any situation and them dwell on it endlessly for months or years.
Quoted from vid1900:Wheeeww!
I bet everyone is glad they bought the LE and did not wait for the Indiana "Iron" Jones premium.
times 1000. Not digging the Premium so much
Quoted from IdahoRealtor:"Oh, Maiden LE. Oh, Maiden LE....."
Lol. Mine is showing up tomorrow. Will go great in the living room right next to my xmas tree.
I'm not a fan of yellow/brown colors but i think they all look great.
I get your point about the premium being more "cohesive".
Quoted from kpg:I am in the process of trying to hook up my LE to my external Polk subwoofer.
I read in the feature matrix there is supposed to be a "New CPU mounted line-out audio connector for external amplification"
Where is that line-out connector?
Stern saw that you bought another game from them decided not to include that in your pin KPG!
Congrats on LE, mine arrives this afternoon.
Quoted from wcbrandes:Think its a fair price as someone might want a limited version although the premium is so friggin nice as is the pro. Tough one but with so many tittles coming out it's tough to worry about collecting anymore as space is always the issue.
No shit Billy, Popping the LE box now and just need to make some room but not really right?
I have vacated the Game room upstairs of pins, youngest daughter moving in there. Oldest 2 are out the door, one at Vanguard and the other heading to college.
Slamming 12 pins now into 3 car garage mancave with more to come.
Something has to give!
Will probably drop a couple off down at my house at the coast and not worry about the salt air rust factor. I'll be dead before the legs start falling off!
It feels like Xmas in more ways than one Billy!!!
Quoted from PinMonk:Black lights are UV-A light with some overlap into the more dangerous UV-B. Cool in limited doses, but long term exposure (like hours at a time on a new/hot pinball machine) can damage eyes and affect your vision forever. Putting it anywhere that would involve long-term exposure (like a pinball machine) is not a good idea.
Buzzkill
Quoted from jefryan:My game isn't registering any sarcophagus newton ball shots. Can someone please show me exactly how to adjust the leaf switch which a few have stated is the fix?
Thanks
Gap is too wide. Make sure the flimsy poorly designed white plastic arm is making contact with the leaf. Bend the leaf to make it tighter with contact arm
Quoted from jefryan:Chalky, thanks. I was actually surprised at how big of a gap that was. Once I adjusted it to the same gap as that one it started working. Only a couple of games in, so I will monitor it closely. Thanks all of you for the input, I really appreciate it.
Good job! Have fun
The Orb switch will probably end up needing adjustment too. Mine did
Quoted from bigd1979:So this happened unexpectedly today.... was waiting on premium but good deal on pro popped up. Has 19 plays on it lol made april 14 and still has .91 code. Is that the original code released? My first spike pin so not sure how to update code? Is it same as sam?
.98 now. Can’t be any easier
Download on drive and load it in back box. Follow instructions right there
Quoted from musketd:Keith said it will be in the game that is the pro and madness they just have to work it out to incorporate it so it is coming
He said in the interview that Madness Mode isn’t going into the Pro because of the ramp
Quoted from lapean111:You guys, sounds like it is eventually going to be in, they are just tweaking it. Let's stop repeating ourselves over and over.
Listen to the interview yourself. It's not happening.
Quoted from bigd1979:Who cares about one dam mode? The game has plenty of shit to offer and one more mode hitting ramps isnt gonna make a difference lol.
I don't, just clarifying what the F ing guy said. Its a great game.
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