Quoted from Pimp77:

Look, I agree IMDN Pro is an awesome game and will outsell the LE/Premium, but we’re talking features here: MET Pro does have more features than IMDN Pro. Plus, it was about $1500 less! I’m not sure why there is an argument. It’s a fact that this is a stripped game. Doesn’t make it any less fun. One of my favorite games of all time, IM, is pretty stripped down too.
MET:
1) In-line drops (3)
2) Custom-molded cross (not motorized)
3) Custom shaking Sparky bash toy
4) Sparky magnet
5) Custom-molded snake scoop
6) Captive ball
7) Graveyard magnet
8 ) Mystery scoop
9) Laser etched Ramps w/ wire-forms
10) Up-post divertor (1)
IMDN:
1) Bullseye target
2) Laser etched Ramps w/ wire-forms
3) Up-post divertor (2)
4) Captive ball
5) Spinners (2)
PS: Spike is a downgrade from SAM too.

Quoted from Pimp77:

Look, I agree IMDN Pro is an awesome game and will outsell the LE/Premium, but we’re talking features here: MET Pro does have more features than IMDN Pro. Plus, it was about $1500 less! I’m not sure why there is an argument. It’s a fact that this is a stripped game. Doesn’t make it any less fun. One of my favorite games of all time, IM, is pretty stripped down too.
MET:
1) In-line drops (3)
2) Custom-molded cross (not motorized)
3) Custom shaking Sparky bash toy
4) Sparky magnet
5) Custom-molded snake scoop
6) Captive ball
7) Graveyard magnet
8 ) Mystery scoop
9) Laser etched Ramps w/ wire-forms
10) Up-post divertor (1)
IMDN:
1) Bullseye target
2) Laser etched Ramps w/ wire-forms
3) Up-post divertor (2)
4) Captive ball
5) Spinners (2)
PS: Spike is a downgrade from SAM too.

Quoted from Pimp77:

Look, I agree IMDN Pro is an awesome game and will outsell the LE/Premium, but we’re talking features here: MET Pro does have more features than IMDN Pro. Plus, it was about $1500 less! I’m not sure why there is an argument. It’s a fact that this is a stripped game. Doesn’t make it any less fun. One of my favorite games of all time, IM, is pretty stripped down too.
MET:
1) In-line drops (3)
2) Custom-molded cross (not motorized)
3) Custom shaking Sparky bash toy
4) Sparky magnet
5) Custom-molded snake scoop
6) Captive ball
7) Graveyard magnet
8 ) Mystery scoop
9) Laser etched Ramps w/ wire-forms
10) Up-post divertor (1)
IMDN:
1) Bullseye target
2) Laser etched Ramps w/ wire-forms
3) Up-post divertor (2)
4) Captive ball
5) Spinners (2)
PS: Spike is a downgrade from SAM too.

Quoted from Eskaybee:

lol, nice 'unbiased' comparison. Here, let's see if I can add more to this with my 'unbiased' thoughts:
MET:
- A-Typical Fan layout: Check
- Unoriginal design: Check
- Uninspring lars call outs: Check
- Grinding woodchopping rules: check
IMDN:
- Inventive layout: Check
- Creative Ruleset: Check
- Amazing Sounds and Call outs: Check
- Blows MET out of the water: Check
P.S - Good luck finding a MET NIB for $1500; might be a good investment opportunity if you can.

Quoted from Eskaybee:

lol, nice 'unbiased' comparison. Here, let's see if I can add more to this with my 'unbiased' thoughts:
MET:
- A-Typical Fan layout: Check
- Unoriginal design: Check
- Uninspring lars call outs: Check
- Grinding woodchopping rules: check
IMDN:
- Inventive layout: Check
- Creative Ruleset: Check
- Amazing Sounds and Call outs: Check
- Blows MET out of the water: Check
P.S - Good luck finding a MET NIB for $1500; might be a good investment opportunity if you can.

Quoted from PinMonk:

Let's not get too carried away. The "power" pyramid can be pretty "wood choppy" with its requirements to advance. Granted you get that cool lightning sound when you make it, but it's still repetitive.

Quoted from Pimp77:

I agree with all you said...we’re talking materials here, not intangibles (which this game has in spades)!!!
So defensive.

Quoted from Pimp77:

Look, I agree IMDN Pro is an awesome game and will outsell the LE/Premium, but we’re talking features here: MET Pro does have more features than IMDN Pro. Plus, it was about $1500 less! I’m not sure why there is an argument. It’s a fact that this is a stripped game. Doesn’t make it any less fun. One of my favorite games of all time, IM, is pretty stripped down too.
MET:
1) In-line drops (3)
2) Custom-molded cross (not motorized)
3) Custom shaking Sparky bash toy
4) Sparky magnet
5) Custom-molded snake scoop
6) Captive ball
7) Graveyard magnet
8 ) Mystery scoop
9) Laser etched Ramps w/ wire-forms
10) Up-post divertor (1)
IMDN:
1) Bullseye target
2) Laser etched Ramps w/ wire-forms
3) Up-post divertor (2)
4) Captive ball
5) Spinners (2)
PS: Spike is a downgrade from SAM too.

Quoted from Eskaybee:

Wow; of all the rules in the game I thought the pyramid offered the most breadth and less grind as you progress through all the aspects no matter what is happening in the game.

Quoted from PinMonk:

I don't disagree, but to be fair, you need to make these additions:
Metallica Pro
flippers (2)
Iron Maiden Pro
flippers (4)
drop targets (3)
color LCD (1)

Quoted from Eskaybee:

Not defensive, just calling a spade a spade - see posts above. Have a g'night pimp. Pinball is fun, don't take it too seriously or penny pinch yourself to death; it won't be a fun hobby if you do. Enjoy the show tomorrow

Quoted from Who-Dey:

A plastic grave marker means nothing
Magnets not really a big deal
IMDN pro has 2 spinners, MET none
MET has 2 scoops thats nice
Sparky is kinda cool
IMDN has one.more up post diverter
IMDN has 4 flippers
IMDN has a LCD, MET has a DMD
That all seems pretty even to me honestly and the cost of the 2 games are probably the same now because they always tack on the price increases to older games too. MET is amazing, but it definitely doesnt kick Iron Maidens ass by any means and its possible that IMDN might end up being the better game even or at least as good. Sorry but i just dont see IMDN being stripped down compared to MET at all.

Quoted from Pimp77:

Yep, missed the drops. Are we counting flippers and the display as features? Maybe the extra flippers, but the display is standard issue.

Ok, but we’re arguing different points. We agree the game rocks!! Excited to see the LE gameplay!

Quoted from Who-Dey:

A plastic grave marker means nothing
Magnets not really a big deal

Quoted from bigd1979:

Really magnets are no big deal? They are my favorite things on a pin in most cases and met really fights u back... especially the sparky one.

Quoted from Pimp77:

Oh Who-Dey, you are entertaining!

Quoted from Pimp77:

Oh Who-Dey, you are entertaining!

Quoted from bigd1979:

Yea magnet comment was odd to me.... they add alot to gameplay impo . Really love when met holds it in the graveyard to knock off for super jackpots.....

Quoted from Who-Dey:

I just dont find them to be a huge deal. Shit, give me a spinner any day over a magnet

Quoted from Jackontherocks:

I enjoy the band Maiden More than Metallica. I enjoy both pins. I do feel that as great and differnt Iron Maiden is with tons of shots still wanted a little more (or features) in the premium/le game.

Quoted from TigerLaw:

Depends how they are implemented, magnets are usually cooler than a spinner. Think myst on BSD or the magnet array on TAF...spinners can’t reallt touch those games’ magnet action. That said, not all magnets are created equal, some are not implemented well.

Quoted from Who-Dey:

Im not sure what more you could ask for really other than a Eddie bash toy or something? What else did you have in mind?

Quoted from Jackontherocks:

Maybe a cannon that popped up in the middle like Black Rose, the center shot to go through back of game like LOTR, it has a tons of shots and ramps which I love and plays great but still wanted more as always bu5 specially in this game since I wanted made for past 5 years, the back pyramid castle to stick out like Alice Cooper castle, an Eddie in the corner I guess, not sure but Metallica has the snake, Cross, hammer, sparky, and coffin. Also I wanted a scope instead of the ball on left.

Quoted from Who-Dey:

I can understand that there are things you would change but this game isnt a disappointment in any way i don't think. Have you played IMDN yet and seen how good it is? It's unbelievable!!!

Quoted from Jackontherocks:

Yes I played two weeks ago, not saying it’s not great and I enjoyed and would love to own. Just always want more in games I guess that’s all, can’t help it as wanted this game made since I joined pinside so maybe I thought about it forever. Just like AC/DC I wanted more in game as well.

Quoted from PinMonk:

I like the implementation, but let's be honest, distilled, it's still just really flashy chopping wood. X number of spinners, X number of targets, X number of pop bumpers, X number of orbits, X number of ramps to advance. Quotas for each are the definition of chopping wood.

Quoted from Who-Dey:

Well today is the big day guys. Are the Premium/LE features going to be worth the extra money or not? Im talking strictly from a gameplay standpoint and nothing else. This thread is literally going to catch on fire tonight!

Quoted from jwilson:

The amount of crap on the playfield doesn’t really determine if a game is good or not.
AFM has almost nothing and it’s one of the best game ever.
So all the counting of spinners and whatnot is secondary to how it plays, and it plays great. Both MET and Maiden play great.

Quoted from Eskaybee:

lol, nice 'unbiased' comparison. Here, let's see if I can add more to this with my 'unbiased' thoughts:
MET:
- A-Typical Fan layout: Check
- Unoriginal design: Check
- Uninspring lars call outs: Check
- Grinding woodchopping rules: check
IMDN:
- Inventive layout: Check
- Creative Ruleset: Check
- Amazing Sounds and Call outs: Check
- Blows MET out of the water: Check
P.S - Good luck finding a MET NIB for $1500; might be a good investment opportunity if you can.
EDIT: but to be fair, MET really is an awesome pin. It's just no IMDN

Quoted from pinnyheadhead:

When is the LE stream today? Feadflip?

Quoted from jwilson:

The amount of crap on the playfield doesn’t really determine if a game is good or not.
AFM has almost nothing and it’s one of the best game ever.
So all the counting of spinners and whatnot is secondary to how it plays, and it plays great. Both MET and Maiden play great.

Quoted from gliebig:

True. But the custom flying saucers on AFM are awesome. Stern would've just screen printed them on a flat piece of plastic and screwed them on. That's the kind of cheapness crap that turns me off of spending my coin on them.

Quoted from T-800:

Anyone else get a craving for Arby's after playing their Iron Maiden? I swear the call outs sound just like the dude from the commercial...

Quoted from gliebig:

True. But the custom flying saucers on AFM are awesome. Stern would've just screen printed them on a flat piece of plastic and screwed them on. That's the kind of cheapness crap that turns me off of spending my coin on them.

Quoted from chuckwurt:

I can’t wait either. I think the added features are going to be awesome.
Worth the added price? Hell no. Not for me. I’d rather get another game than go from pro to premium on pretty much any game.
But I can’t wait to see this, and better yet, play it.

Quoted from trilamb:

Considering Deadflip's LE stream starts in a few hours I'm surprised images of the LE (and/or Prem) have not yet been released by the band and are not on Stern's website yet. They couldn't release the photos last week because the band had the rights to release them first...
So are we in for another stream that won't be recorded? Or will they stream at all?
Also, on a side note... SHOW ME MY PREMIUM!!!!

Quoted from knockerlover:

Stern != Deadflip.. So they are still within the terms.