I see you are new here.
The things you are mentioning are operator error more than anything. If you don't want broken plastics then put protectors on the darn games. It has been that way forever it seems with all manufacturers.

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Yes, i agree. Operator error. They need to be maintained out in the wild. They're played everyday and all night. The operator shows up once a month. That doesnt work.

How did the man's skin color or level of filth have anything to do with him bending the shooter rod? Are you saying because he was black he was automatically more prone to being dirty and abusing pinball machines?

If so, that is an ignorant, racist opinion and I think less of you for believing it.

Zzzzzz....drain

This is no different than games from any other era.

Waste of bandwidth

You should live in East Oakland for a while,if you live that long!

Totally agree, the operator sucks. The fact that they have 4 out of 5 down is pretty rough.

The only issue I have with that is that there is no way to know how many games are being played on those games. Some games get a remarkable amount of play. A good OP will at least play a test game to see if it runs or not.

Mods: Respectfully requesting you close this thread ASAP. It's only going to end bad and we have plenty of threads already regarding the current topic.

Never happened.

Hell they can't even go years in my basement without maintenance....and I really don't play them that much, few times a week (if that).

He also mentioned his age and sex. So I suppose the poster is ageist and sexist as well? Probably gonna start getting really tough to describe someone in the near future.....

Stern's definitely building these pins cheaper. The single drop target ledge on Game of Thrones that holds the "gate" drop target is paper thin plastic now. The one my buddy has shattered in the first month he had it on route. I've literally never seen that part break on another pin - ever. It just holds the target up when the target is reset. Sterns from even two years ago had decent parts for this task. Now, they don't.

It's crazy that the quality keeps going down when the cost keeps going up. If Stern is pushing out 55 pins on average like that video says, they're doing between $5-$8 million a month at least, or $60-$96 million a year. They need to cool their jets on the corner-cutting - they've cut corners no one cares enough about to stop buying and are now cutting things that make a big negative difference - like playfield quality, for one, that WILL cause collectors to stop buying in a NIB lottery for decent playfields.

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OMG, I've never seen a drop target break either.

I hope Stern gives your buddy his money back.

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Always buy Japanese cars.

Have you considered that perhaps this change had nothing to do with cost cutting? I mean do you really think they sit around in meetings and decided to spend cost to retool and reengineer a $0.75 part to a 0.25 part so that on a run of 1000 games they can save $500?

Perhaps this was something they tried out to help with the many issues people have had with the old style drop targets where when you hit them hard they don't drop. Have you ever considered that? Inconceivable right?

Come to the 403 club, pizza west, or Knub's Pub. They have games that are well taken care of

Once again, I'm going to tell the tale of how my WOZ went up in smoke a few hours after it arrived.
JJP made everything right in the end so no harm done but the point it:
Since you seem to be enjoying yours, it's ridiculous to whine about JJP cutting corners and making cheap pins like you have with Stern, huh?

FYI: I've never had a Stern go up in smoke.

Hilarious.

I clearly wasn't talking about the drop target itself. Broken drop targets are a common problem due to constant ball impact. The ledge under the playfield that holds the drop target up when it resets is what I've NEVER seen break - ever. The GoT one was obliterated in less than a month - literally blown to pieces, and it's a part that never has ball contact, just the target surface sliding over it. Once I put the pieces back together, it was totally clear why it broke. It's a paper thin piece of plastic. In fact, after this incident, Stern made a memo to have engineering look into replacing it with a heavier piece for future runs, so it wasn't my imagination - it was a crappy part.

The difference you don't seem to grasp is one is bad engineering/cost cutting, and the other (yours) is just bad luck. Stern admitted the part was not up to the job and made a memo to look into making beefier ones for future runs. This is like a 5 cent part, so they saved maybe a penny by making it thinner. Stupid.

Given that the ledge width at the top was about the same as before, seems extremely apologist and unlikely. I actually made a heavier duty part that was slightly wider for my buddy and it seems to work even better and has no chance of breaking from a drop target sliding on it.

I wish They would put red flipper shoes on all Sterns !

This is Pinball baby !

Nobody cares about what you think, (Edited by Pinside staff).

After re-location of the power toggle switch, I don't know what to believe...

Perhaps this is just a bad joke!?

OK, so we have one known instance of it breaking. Call me when it becomes a common issue. Until it does, it's bad luck and a fluke.

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Lee Summit you say, hmmmn. I know a guy who knows a guy who operates out there. Doesn't get out to service machines all that much. Got a couple good deals on machines as a result. Don't think Stern is cheapening their product.

I own a few machines and can tell you, everyone cut corners.

I'm proud of anyone who can keep making machines in Chicago, IL, USA.

Blame Entropy...

I had a rest ledge that broke on World Poker Tour recently. Not exactly a "newer Stern machine", though.

No, I'm definitely an idiot.

I thumbed that up but I disagree.

Yes your an idiot and should have been ejected from this thread like anybody else for your racist comment against whites. But the double standard cry babies would never do that. And to all you thumbdowners your a bunch of sheep. bahh

I'm sick of cats...!!!............Joey

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I am going to provide the most insightful post in this thread.
"Your an idiot". Is just wrong. The word your is a possessive adjective. There is no ownership of vid1900 and being an idiot. I think what you wanted to say is you're which is a contraction of you are. Next time we may talk about less and fewer!
Enjoy!

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OK if the mods are asleep at the wheel then there is only one thing to do...

In before the lock!!

I gotta cat-fish...???.............Joey

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I have 2 modern sterns in my collection, and a bunch of wpc dmd games. I've never had a credit dot on my modern sterns or any major repairs, worst was a wire breaking off a coil, now my wpc games are a whole different story. Sometimes they break just turning them on. But they are alot older. So what I'm trying to say is .. .... . who cares machines break and I'm sure my sterns will eventually to. Play pinball have fun and don't blame a company because the games arn't maintained on location.

Since I know everybody love car comparisons
It's like comparing a car that is taken care of and a rental. Of course the rental will get beat up more and won't last near as long, its not the manufacturers fault.

Straight to racism by the third post, got to be a new record.

5 mins of my life I will never get back.....and to think I could have used that time for something constructive, like stomping ants. Sigh.....

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Here's just a simple question...has there ever been anything mechanical, that has never broken at least once, in the life of the machine?

I don't mean just pinball, I mean every mechanical machine ever built.

what about playfield wear?.

Wrong thread? hard to tell with all the other weird post lol

Maybe you should change your handle to "Vidiot"!