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To quote Animal House.
"Oh, boy. This is gonna be great!"

I assume you meant "Whah, Whah Whah"

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Ummm...yeah. You might say that.

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Have read the "are you serious Stern! Thread?

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Nope. One or the other. Gary has said VE's will be issued on their original platform. That means if this is a re-skin, it's SAM, and SAM doesn't support an LCD display.

Again....would be happy to see a new game with SPIKE 2.0.......just don't get your hopes up.

I've seen those statements, but I don't see why that has to be law. It seems logical to do whatever is most cost efficient for the company. If that means having BDK vault on spike, why not?

I was just thinking the same thing, can't rember where I heard or read this from Gary, he did definitely said that all VE would be on orginal platforms. That being said whe. The whole production line is geared towards Spike & spike 2 it may prove more difficult and costly to use orginal platforms such as Sam then just recoding the game for the newer platforms.

Also VE might struggle to sell if the LCD in newer games proves a big hit. Especially as the tend for VE seems to be pointing towards premium price points. However including an LCD in a VE may make the higher price point an easier sell. Also there is so much anticipation that Sterns next release is going to be LCD that even if it is a VE batman they would almost have to include the new display.

To me it seems that Batman 66 is sort of come out of left field. It wouldn't surprise me if this is a similar case to WRestle Maina, which According to Treaudu, was a reskin of a previous game he had been working on but had to switch due to licensing issues. The Batman 66 license may have been presented to Stern and they thought it was to good an opportunity to pass up, so they switched gears and rethemed an existing game that was close to production. I band license does not have the same pressure for release as a movie tie in pin, or say the Batman 66 which is going to be hot property with the orginal series release on BlueBay and the new cartoon straight to DVD movie. If Stern wants to capitalise on this momentum they would have had to move fast. Also I cannt see Stern getting the sales numbers from a straight Dark night reskin. The orginal game does not have the same collectibility of Spider-Man and that VE didn't exactly rush out the door. I think a batman 66 with an orginal game layout would far outsell a VE version of the dark knight, even if it a premium offering only. This would more then justify the extra cost of development especially if they had a solid layout and rules ready to go from a current work in progress game.

its gonna be spike, with color dmd, awesome 66 bat decals, with all new layout, ghosting and cracking playfield i am in!!!

If the slot machine is any indication, the one major character that isn't there is the Burgess Meredith Penguin. IOW, just a gut feeling but the people that arrange licensing struct deals with most the characters to do the slot, hope Stern (if this is all true) can piggy back along and get the same deal.

http://www.aristocrat-us.com/#!batman/c1pj3

IMO, this would be a huge success for Stern. That is as long as they don't screw it up. It must have a full color display. Unlike so many other themes, this could go anywhere. The band pins and gore themes don't fit in so many places.

I don't think he ever said he re-skined a game. He was working on a game had issues with what the licensing wanted and what stern was doing so the project was put on hold, then they pumped out WWF in a very short time period.

If it was more cost effecting to port DK to on SPIKE, I'm sure they would. Since Gary has mentioned they will be on the original platform, once can only assume this is because it's cheaper than porting it.

They brought Whitestar out of the grave three years after its death for LOTR Special Edition.

All "rules" are out the window with this one. I'll be awaiting a "you were right" from you after the reveal.

^^^^^ A few hundred sales of SMVE, if that, to satisfy a small niche of buyers and keep the line running not too exciting as they learned.

Especially since the original SM is arguably better and cheaper.

Batman 66, with an original layout, will sell 10x more than a SMVE, at least.

AND they will be able to get away with charging more. The SMVE pricing experiment didn't work.

BUT pricing it too high with PF issues still going on and it will be a dud.

Like I said....one or the other. Not saying it won't be a new game, on SPIKE 2.0, with an LCD.

What it won't be is a re-skin VE with an LCD.

The "rules don't apply to this one"

Wait until they offer a "premium" Tron with LCD. Should be juicy

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Except it will be. Sorta. Rules don't apply.

So modified DK layout with LCD instead of DMD?

Multiple trim levels (pro, prem, le) or just single version like SMVE?

I really, truly despise the clusterf--k of 'in-the-knows' and the beating around the bush. Either respect that you were given that information in confidence and shut up about it, or just spill the beans already.

I didn't get any confidential information. I've put all the pieces together based on all the various spilled tidbits. I'm good at putting puzzles together.

Feel free to not roll with my conclusions, but when it's announced you'll see....

Based on the "pre-order leak" from GAP, I'm assuming one Prem model like SMVE.

I'm not rolling with anything until there's actual legit info or someone that I trust (read: Not anyone here) says otherwise, heh. The rumor mill on this thing is already going five different ways. It's utterly pointless to guess.

Exactly. Who cares...can't really order them till its announced anyway, so - just having fun.

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....but I'm totally right

Haha... had to get the last word...

I'm not buying anything new until playfield problems are addressed/resolved. No matter the theme.
They can announce a dream title and I'm not biting.

(sirens) Making sense alert Making sense alert (sirens)

....as opposed to the take my money I forgot the issues that are ongoing approach. Economy must be doing great with all this cash people are ready flush down the toilet.

And this has been pretty much a beginner level puzzle at that.
If it turns out to be anything other then Batman 66, I commend Stern for some of the best red herrings ever.

Now WWE? I never even started with the edges on that one. Lol.

Seems like a lot of buzz around this theme. I can't help but think that a 66' theme would generate more demand than a 89' theme.

I'd rather them remake a whole new pin based on the 1989 movie with Keaton. SPIKE 2.0 with LCD. Custom call-outs from Jack Nicholson. Interactive Batwing and balloon float toys. Danny Elfman music. Prince songs. Topper that projects Bat-symbol on ceiling.

There's already a Batman machine w that license....and honestly, that movie hasn't really held up well (and I'm a huge Burton fan)...Batman 60's show has gone from being a joke to being beloved - retro kitch is in ...I can totally see why they've gone this route. Almost everyone has an awareness of "nanananananananaa Baaaatmaaaaan" and "Pow! Biff! Bam!" It's silly and fun and a nice change of pace from the super serious Bats we're used to lately.

How funny would it be if they got Batman singers to sing "Jackpot! Jackpot! Jaaackpooot!!!" Nanananananaaa - JACKPOT! If done right this game could be super funny and charming.

Yes, I know there's one. Hence, why I was talking about a remake. There have been two Indiana Jones, Two Elviras pins, etc. Data East's 1991 game could definitely use some modern improvements.

The 1989 film has held up quite well, thank you very much. I'll take Keaton and Burton over every anyone else.

Indiana Jones is timeless and always been Ford. Elvira's games were of their time but we're always Cassandra. Batman is always rotating actors, and Keaton's Batman is in Batlimbo at the moment. Bale is the definitive modern Batman, and Affleck is the current Batman. Even tho West is old news, he's got Batcred for being the first and only "funny Batman". Again, that retro kitch factor. Keaton doesn't have that.

I love everything that is '89 Batman. It might be the first movie I ever remember seeing in theaters. They will never make another pin based on it though unless there is renewed interest in that world. Apparently DC was planning an '89 Batman comic but eventually rejected it. I would have bought it. It even had Lando-Two-Face!

http://io9.gizmodo.com/behold-the-batman-89-comic-that-dc-rejected-because-the-1763852670

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Oh Robin!! Could you please pass me the Bat Shark Repellent, I seem to have a great white that wants my leg for lunch!

66 theme vs 89 theme? Not even a question the 89 theme would crush it. 66 is for a very small few (mostly if not all older crowd). Batman was a joke until it was reborn by burton and stern knows the market would be much bigger. It would be awesome to have a great pin based on that.

if they go 66 it will be a big mistake

You're right. Keaton doesn't have a retro kitch factor. He has a retro "I'm fucking Batman!" factor.

DC seems pretty comfortable with their "multi-verse" way of franchising their property.

Look, I wasn't truly excepting them to do this. I just stated my person opinion that I'd rather have a modern, updated pin based on the 1989 movie....which like you, I love.

I like both, but I'm not sure 89 would crush 66 in this particular case. With the 66 series there are numerous villains and more episodes for plot material. Batman 89 is my favorite Batman movie, but it was already used to make a pin, poorly unfortunately. Both have nostalgia going for them, but being able to use Riddler, Cat Woman, and Penguin on top of the Joker, adds a lot. I would probably buy either version, if done properly.

Another killer thing for the 89 movie would be music. Having a full license to Danny Elfman and Prince's music would be killer. Especially with renewed interest in Prince since his untimely death earlier this year. My understanding is that WB control's the right to Prince's songs from the movie, not his estate. It was an anomaly among his discography.

A daydream pin for sure.....but boy would it look, sound and play beautiful!

Same here I'm a puzzle guy
That's why I quit posting, I hate all the politics involved. I'm a lurker now.

Anyone been to a casino lately? Hard to miss the giant Batman '66 slot they have out now.

There's a market for the '66 Batman pin for sure. Especially if they are planning on making it a high dollar premium only title. '89 Batman might be too new for a lot of pin buyers to have nostalgia for.

Yep, West and Batmobile were at the launch of that slot machine; seems pretty much a slam dunk that this (old color TV show with West, not the '66 comic book) is the theme. I (totally guessing) now believe that it's not a re-theme, but a new game. The slot has a ton of clips from the show, so I would be very surprised if it didn't have an LCD. The license holders for this IP must have just decided to cash in completely now.

I think if you're gonna go for a Burton/Elfman license....Pee Wee's Big Adventure or Beetlejuice would be the way to go.

Those would be fun; they would fit the Spooky brand well.

Now he's fucking Birdman! ...and The Vulture in the new Spider-Man...also, a bird! They're probably more likely to do Angry Birds with Michael Keaton than Batman

I don't believe it has aged well at all. The 2nd film is pretty good, but 3 and 4 are hard to watch.
If it wasn't for Nicholson, it would be mostly forgotten and I remember how "big" it was when it was released. At least Krane got to see his what his creation had become before he passed.

What benefits the 66' version is the villians and the actors who played them.