Can't wait to see what you all come up for the final version. Such a cool project, hope all goes smoothly for you all while finishing this bad boy up!

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Yes they explained it briefly in the video and in past discussion. They will have a gate on there that will only allow for exits and not allowing accidental hits.

No money down until your machine is up next to be built. Half then and half upon completion is the info we have so far on that.

Email: kevin@skitbpinball dot com

To be put on the list Email Kevin at address mentioned above.

Email Kevin at: kevin@skitbpinball dot com
(dot being spelled out is just to eliminate spammers it is .com)
Include:
Name - This will be engraved on a numbered plate on the apron, so make sure it's spelled right and it is the name of the person who will actually receive the game.

Preferred production number - Games will be marked with their production number. If there is a number you'd like to have, like an old high-school football jersey number or something, let us know. It's probably best to include 2 or 3 numbers that you'd like, in case the ones you like have already been taken.

Contact information - An email address is good to have, but a phone number is necessary in this situation.

Where you live - Country, State, City. Full address would be preferred, but isn't totally necessary.

Is there any video showing actual gameplay viewing the playfield at the Expo? I logged on my wife's FB to view the ones up there but could find none of gameplay did I miss something?

Thanks, much appreciated.

I think that would be awesome!!! Great idea.

Got X-Men Pro and absolutely loving it. Not in on WOZ because the theme and look is just not for me. Also, not in on BHZA due to the price and very long wait before getting the pin you put a good amount of money down for already.

I am really rooting for Skit-B to pull this off and create a top notch pin. I think a magnet drop (ala TOTAN genie magnet) symbolizing the Predator taking a victim in the jungle area would of been one heck of an addition to the pin. Right now we have no real indication how any toys will look or interact with gameplay and it does not appear that there will be any magnets in this bad boy. I really like the stat track feature and UV lighting idea along with buttons to affect the outlane shots really cool stuff there. I love Skit-B's enthusiasm and hope they hit a home run with this one. Skit-B keeping the price well below many of the pins being released now not taking any money up front and the theme factored big in my interest to get Predator.

I'd gladly pay a bit more to have a cool feature like you and I brought up for magnet inclusion.

Well saind man. I'd be right there along side you with a White Russian in hand to celebrate.

Yes it does have a few drinks and enjoy the ride such a hilarious movie!

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I definitely see the reasoning behind taking deposits. That said, I hope you do make it refundable as sometimes there is no way to foresee what may come up to prevent the purchase of a machine. Considering this is a change of plans from what we were told early on and you seem to have a decent waiting list I think it would be a fair way to go about it.

It's not about having it but rather about the type of money you want held up on a project for an extended/unknown period of time. There is no official release date yet and there is no official pricing yet either. Asking for too much down may not be a problem for some but I bet it may preclude a few people that would very well of paid the full price for the pin upon completion. If so many are interested in putting more down then go ahead if it would make you feel better and those that don't can just put the required 5% down.

I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade and I have been and still am a big supporter of the project just throwing my opinion on the subject out there.

Wish I were closer to MI so I could do my best to get some initials on to that bad boy and meet the team. Such a fun project to watch come together!

It was just an email to touch base with the people that pre-ordered. I bet it was even a bit of a test for Kevin to see what the best way to do this would be. If you were told you are on the list you have a spot so there is no need to freak out.

Give Kevin and the team some time not only focus on building a great pin but getting the communication line ironed out. So far out of any pinball machine maker Skit-B has been the most up front and communicative with the community I think that should provide them a little slack here.

Early word was Michael Pupo from Flipper Fidelity was going to work on the sound system for the pin and there would be no need to upgrade. Not sure if that is still the plan though.

I am up for seeing how the new technique would work it sounds promising. As far as testing I think it would need a good amount of play to get a genuine idea about it's reliability. If using a new technique for something as crucial as the playfield it would need to be well tested before distribution. Playfields are a PITA to replace not to mention costly so if extra testing can help ensure reliability before shipping to buyers it is well worth it.

Looks like it is coming together thanks for sharing the video with us! I enjoyed the sound you have in the game very much at this stage. The ramp positioning seem to be improved with the latest playfield design.

The few things I noticed was a lack of overall light and flashers. I do realize it's a darker theme but even with a theme like TAF the lack of overall light on a stock pin always seems to piss me off while playing it. Lighting is one of the easiest things to add especially if they are LEDs I wish more attention was given to that department. Especially now since game lighting is really being taken up a notch by modern pins. .

This is such a fun project to see come about thanks for sharing the process with us. The way you all have taken and even encouraging constructive criticism really sets you apart from other pinball makers. Thanks for your approach Skit-B it is much appreciated.

I just watched the latest video by Skit-B again and am starting to get very excited. I know I am a pinball nerd but what can I do I am who I am. The sound is great cant wait to see the playfield art and toys being designed. Great news that you set up paypal for deposits. Best of luck to you and the team Kevin and thanks for dreaming up and making the Predator happen for us pinheads out here!

I hear you but I do wish they had a different sound for jackpot myself. Like the quote from Dillon when he finds the papers at the camp he yells "jackpot gotdamn jackpot" or something to that effect.

Kevin was the black light actually on for the last video? I wish you would add a few playfield lights so we can see what we are doing a bit better. I guess that can also be done after we get it easily enough if need be. Also, I did not notice Long Tall Sally song, hopefully you have that song playing once you reach super jackpot in all the multi-ball modes that would be awesome.

Deposit sent last night, good luck during the home stretch Skit-B!

If anything the way I have seen Skit-B conduct themselves throughout the process I would assume they would pay very close attention with the first pins being made to ensure their are no bugs to iron out. After all the first machines will be going to pinheads that supported Skit-B's project from the very beginning so I really think they will pay close attention to detail when making them for us. If there are problems with the first ones sent out others in line will know about it which is another reason why Skit-B will be on their game while starting to build em.

I have a feeling those characters over at Skit-B incorporated it into the wizard mode end game. I don't think they would leave out such a cool sound bite from this pin.

Please stop with the drama. Pinballdad you have clearly stated your position some may disagree and that is fine. Lets stop with the back and forth and move on please.

Pinballdad this is my second and last request that you stop trying to take over this thread. You stated your opinion if you continue on I will consider it trolling.

Wow, well played Skit-B, well played.

From the begining Skit-B indicated it is a button shooter. I don't think that has changed. I would prefer a plunger myself as well but still very excited about the direction the pin is headed.

Color changing lights controlled by software illuminating the entire playfield is bad ass! Big thanks to Kevin and the whole Skit-B team for pushing this project to new heights again and again. Such a fun project, I can't tell you how excited I am to eventually play this pin with family and friends!

Hahaa, well quite a few of us are also very excited about the new software controlled color changing LEDs being used in new machines like WOZ & Predator. I say use them to your full advantage without over doing it to draw players into different scenes/modes. As always though to each their own.

I see your point but with how popular AC/DC is within the Pinball community and the excitement generated by the light show on WOZ I think most new pins will find a way to incorporate new technology in some way. Software controlled lights being new I can see why it may be a different experience and a bit disorienting but when playing AC/DC and WOZ I was not confused when it happened at all. I guess everyone experiences things differently.

I can see sticking to an old school approach but with no LCD this would be an opportunity to make the machine feel more modern. Not saying overdue it but rather make use of it a bit if it is an option. Of course some do not prefer modern but when I buy a newly made pin now a days I am intrigued when it can incorporate new technology that was not used in pins over 20 years ago.

Yes the demo model I played did definitely cycle colors way too much I agree with that 100%. I think they were more showing what it could do and did go a little overboard. I haven't seen any recent video's either but my gut would say they did tone that down a bit and better integrate the color changing.

I have seen that as well and see your point. It can definitely be overdone and while learning what looks good and what not to do I have been guilty of overdoing it myself. However, as I've gotten more experience with different LEDs it has become much less of an issue. This is why I really like the Premium 2 LEDs from Cointaker they are not as saturated color wise as super brights and provide better overall illumination (especially purple). Sorry, don't want to take over the thread just wanted to let you know I definitely can relate to what your saying.

Great update! Thanks for showing us some of the technology that will be running the machine it was cool to get a look at what you have planned for it. How you all have gone about handling the comments and building your first machine has been very impressive. Thanks for keeping us all in the loop over here at Pinside it is much appreciated Skit-B!

Looks like you all have an artist that takes pride in his work. Thanks for sharing to photo can't wait to see this thing come together!

I agree please don't go all JJP on us and announce/start thinking about pin #2 before delivering on #1. Bummed it won't be TBL but glad you did not rule it out in the future. So your telling me there's a chance.....

If you did not expect prolonged delay from the original expected release then you had your head covered deep in sand. $250 deposit likely refundable is nothing compared to what other companies are requiring. It looks all good to me they are making progress and with each update I am getting more excited. Keep your head up Skit-B can't wait for the next update.

Ted you have never watched it .... A director foregoing the beauty that is TBL.... And to think I picked the winning number in the Gorillas first give away you ended up winning... Hope you like it as much as I do buddy.

Walter is my favorite character out of all the movies I have ever watched (and that is a lot). Brilliant job by Goodman! Okay sorry for getting off topic I better go make a few white russians now.

LOL, wow relax all it is pinball and we are talking about a new pin with an awesome theme from a new pinball company. It's fine to have criticism many of us have expressed it here and in the other thread. What I think kind of sucks is to call many that are just excited about the project and actually like the way things have progressed so far fan boys. So they have a different view point of the situation they must be fanboys? Many of the so called fanboys in this thread at one time or another have made criticisms of the project. So if you have real criticism express it or don't. Marc came in expressed that he has criticism but will not say why. Then why say it at all?

The good part about all this is many are excited and if anyone feels that the project is not their style they can likely get their deposit back easily and a pinhead on the waitlist gets the call they have been waiting for. Not saying if you have any criticism just give up your spot just stating that it is a good luxery to have for us on the list.

In comes spfxted with the jinx...

I so want this project to be a game changer that many pin makers thought would be impossible. Very solid code upon release and an adult theme. Buying it I kinda feel like I am giving a finger to some of the other makers out there releasing pins with incomplete code and almost exclusively non adult themes.

Not a bad idea I wouldn't mind coordinating that if Skit-B wanted to do it. They would just need to PM when they would like me to unlock/lock it. I would be happy to.

Thanks for the update Kevin. I was itching to see/hear more about the pin. Looks like within the next month we should be seeing a lot more. I was hoping to see most of it at the start of the month. However, these things take time we all know that. You all have really surprised me with how far you have come with this project. We are cheering for you all to succeed in a major way!!

I don't think it will be that high due to how limited the run is. Sure there will be some but I think it may be closer to 10%. A great theme at 250 is such a small run and with the emphasis being put on software I think this pin has a great potential to go way up in value when released and in the years to come. Not to mention the how affordable the pin will be if they hit the $4750 mark compared to all the other pins being released nowadays. I could be wrong it definitely would not be the first time it's just my gut feeling.

It will be interesting to see how many actually do drop out. Either way, I look forward to getting this pin and playing the hell out of it!

In that case I'm happy to be a pig. Never thought those words would ever come out of my mouth thats for sure.

I have faith in the team they know getting them out right from the start will be very important to the success of the project as you mentioned. Skit-B seems to be putting some serious dedication and focus in on this venture. They have done and said the right things to this point. I want to get some serious play time on this pin as soon as possible. Oh man this pin addiction is something else I want this pin in the house as of yesterday.

I'm sure they want to unveil the playfield art at their seminar. I do hope that pics are shared with us soon after that happens. We have many buyers on Pinside and we all know how impatient us pinheads can be.

If I get time after the next big update I may start a thread reporting the information on the machine and keeping it closed from comments. That is of course if some of you would want me to otherwise I won't waste the time.

Okay I will work on it. Please help me out by not posting in it if you see it open as I will have to delete the post to make sure it is 100% information on the pin. Favorite the thread and it will make it easier for you to keep track of I will bump it to the front page from time to time to help you all find it. It will be called 'Predator Updates'. It will take some time to compile the info so please cut me some slack I'm just trying to help make it easier on those that want information on the pin.

Well said Drano I'm with you 100% on that.

Texturing detail look great and I love the camo look on Arnold's face. Only thing glaring to me was the left and right shoulders of Arnold what is going on there? It looks off doesn't it? Well that and the coloring of the skull the Predator is holding that could be made to look much darker/creepier IMO.

Navajas, I agree that first picture is likely what was used for the drawing. However, if you look at the shape of Arnold's left shoulder in the picture it looks much different than the shape of the shoulder in the drawing. Big difference there IMO. I think that may be the main reason it looks off to some of us. I agree with you on the coloring of the skull.

That is not today's price point for LEs it is well above that now and 400 is a lot more than 250. Also, all that overhead and stuff to do make some things get overlooked like the code on the pins upon release. Some have been almost unplayable and some have gone unfinished. I think the code upon Predator's release will feel done to players which would be a welcome change IMO.

I was caught a little by surprise by the art package and was expecting something a little different given the backbox art they went with. However, as you said there is a whole other dimension to the art package (UV layer) that we haven't seen yet not to mention the plastic and toys. As Skit-B mentioned the art is not final so there may be some revisions to come. So I will just have to wait to pass judgement it's hard to get a feel for how it will all come together at this point.

From what they have said I doubt any magnets will be going in the game. That is one of my concerns as well that left side seems pretty bare and the only randomizers appear to be the two targets. I guess how the two ejects kick the ball into the pops may provide some unexpected gameplay but I'm also wondering if that is enough.

Shape of Arnold's left shoulder a bit off and too big IMO. Image posted by spfxted above has a much different more natural shape to it. An artist should be able to identify it. New skull looks great big improvement IMO. Love the idea of adding more foliage To make it more jungle like darkening the background color/tone would also be an improvement. Man I am getting so excited to see this beast come together. Best of luck on the home stretch Skit-b.

Your response to customers feedback is absolutely unheard of and very much appreciated!

Come on Ted pins are designed to be shook about. Shakers add a cool effect like TigerLaw I want em in all my pins. I can see that some don't prefer that type of feedback though as always to each their own at least it's optional both can have their preference here.

That would be nice for sure I was thankful Stern started doing that on all their pins.

***On a side note Robin was nice enough to sticky the 'Predator Updates' thread to the top sticky material in the main forum page. I will try to keep it as up to date as possible.***

It is not all that hard at all. A little stressful drilling through the bottom of the pin but it comes with a template you put the wholes where they are supposed to go and install and uninstall are pretty simple probably 15 to 20 minutes a bit longer if it is your first time and you take your time.

I love that Skit-B asked for constructive feedback and will change some things to benefit the game for its buyers. I would never want to discourage this rare desire to hear what the customers have to say about certain things. They seem to be doing a great job of identifying what feedback could really make the pin better and running with it. It's not going on forever since they said this feedback needs to be in quickly because they will be running with any changes and coming up with the finished art package very soon.

I certainly hope they don't rule things out like those things in the future. I hate when Pin companies limit the creative process and do things only one way. Spice it up provide a little change in your pins let the creative process dictate what to put in the pin. To never release a pin with three flippers or mini-playfields would get a little bland after a few of em.

It's going to be many of the musical scores from the film including Long Tall Sally for Multi-Ball Super Jackpots. A different score for each mode is what I remember all taken from the film.

Man I am on vacation give me a day or two to put this stuff up cut the dude some slack.

That would be totally contradictory to what early supporters were told. From how SKit-B have conducted themselves throughout this project (class acts) I highly doubt they would consider doing this. Would be like taking people's money to cut in line just not the right way to go about it IMO.

Lets get some lasers in this beast either for topper or playfield looks like Sterns upcoming release will have something to the effect we would be looking for in a 3 beam triangle.

http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/steve-ritchie-with-frikkin-lasers#post-829000

A while back they mentioned a proposed total of four. One that will most likely be in the game not mentioned above is the Predator claw that will steal the ball off a made left ramp shot to symbolize a ball being locked.

Yea if it isn't in the production game it will be a must add mod but I'm still holding out hope they may find a way to include it somehow. I think it would be a great opportunity to generate some excitement if they find a way to make it happen in the final design. Lasers do have their safety issues so an alternative would likely be needed making it less likely to be incorporated in the production game unfortunately.

I can't wait to see this beast come together! Big thanks in advance to anyone that can send some video or pictures our way. You know us addicts need our medicine.

I am almost positive you will be able to use a Stern shaker to work with the game no problem. But there is no real need to buy a shaker in advance unless it is at a great deal.

Good question I don't remember hearing anything about this type of stuff. I'm not sure why they don't go the route of putting a metal protector in the area the ball kicks onto the ramp like in the picture below. I know they say their ramps are pretty solid but it is concerning seeing an area where the ball drops on a plastic ramp with no protection.

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I must say I'm liking the look of the refined artwork looks much better than before.

No pin is for everyone maybe no one should talk you off the ledge so another pinhead that wants on gets a shot at getting it.

I didn't mean it in a bad way or to get your goat. Some of us won't be able to play it so we have to go with our gut about the look and play. If yours is telling you it isn't for you then you may not want someone to talk you out of it that is all I meant.

I think the art is starting to come together. I do hope they end up with darker shade of white on the big skull (use same white as on smaller skulls just below the inserts) and go with the same blood style/look that is currently on the left outlane on the skull. That would look great IMO. A darker shade of blue would also be a welcome change to the lower playfield.

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They have asked for opinions/criticisms and I think change for the good has resulted from the back and forth. I am as big a fan as anyone of this project and how Skit-B has gone about this so I am by no means hating or encouraging it. Rather pointing out some things that looked off to me as some others appear to be doing.

Some of us have not played it so the only critiques we can provide is regarding the aesthetics which are important especially with a theme like this. Its a testament to the Skit-B crew that they have been so open and asked for our take on the state of things. I am cheering for them without question as most of us on this thread are.

I'm craving a big video update. Man I am a pinball addict for sure. I know these guys are working hard & these things take time. I am just excited to see whats in store for us!

Wow, you guys are awesome!! Thank you so much for fixing Arnie's shoulder it looks much better now. This is such a big reason why this project is so cool. Here you all are working your tales off and you have some pinheads (me included) voicing concerns regarding a few details in the art. Instead of rolling your eyes and just moving on you listen and actually make changes for the better. This project is just so fun to be a part of and mainly becuase of the Skit-B crew and their approach to building the Predator.

I suspect most if not all the artwork is on or close to the final version. If it is not final then one suggestion I would make is to remove most if not all of the the smaller stray dots of blood on the skull and connect the top line of blood along the crown. I think that would make it flow better and give it a bit more natural look. I know I'm nit-picking here just throwing it out there in case there may be another revision.

X-Men Pro is a bad ass pin if you don't want it I hope it goes to another pinhead that loves it.

It should be IMO especially if there will be only one swinging body. That way it could shake and be interactive with certain hit shots/modes. Adding a coil to activate the swinging body would of been a very welcome addition. Still very much looking forward to seeing how this beast turns out. Best of luck to the Skit-B team!

I'm not a huge fan of proto machines at conventions they seem to give some fans & potential buyers the wrong impression about a pin and its play. I have noticed that with some protos I have played at expos. Like to see them there but man somtimes the play & setup of a proto can turn potential customers away.

Been there and played that a hundred times before bring me Predator and a bad ass Star Trek pin and I will be all good. That said, any pin that starts at over 10K you can count me out.

Oh ye of little faith. I'm still with you all Skit-B and happy to be early in the production line. I know it is tough to give estimates on when a game will be delivered. But could you maybe start by providing an (non-optimistic) estimate on when the first totally complete pin will come to fruition?

I disagree on a project like this with only $250 invested it is not like JJP taking 6K + for 2 years. And it is not unreasonable to want to know when you will have to pay for a machine. All makers should strive to provide solid/honest estimates IMO. I am more careful with my money then I am about asking when it needs to be put towards a project.

I'm going to politely suggest Skit-B ignore this message. Please do not consider your fans questions and requests as pestering. We are spending a good amount on this project and don't deserve the well if you have questions just get out. It is easy for some on the back end to say oh it is all good come out when ever. You will get an idea on when you will get your pin based on the ones before you. Those in front do deserve a bit of notice. IMO it is a big mistake for us to communicate to makers 'ignore us' we are their fans and buy their products. Instead I would say listen to us even if you don't take everything 100% serious listen to your fans. Just as others have begun to listen to fans complain about unacceptable code and improve on games that might of been left by the waste side if fans did not speak out and say something.

Well you make some serious presumptions for not personally knowing the people you claim have never 'worked' for a living and have no perspective. If you were trying to imply it in my case I can assure you nothing could be further from the truth. Not to mention pretty rude. You are welcome to run your business how you feel fit but it is a bit short sighted to think all businesses should or will operate in the same manner.

If by fluff my junk is referring to wanting to know when $5K will be needed then yes give it a good fluffing please. What makes me cringe is people pretending like they personally know others and throw out silly words like if 'you've never worked for a living' and what not. Like you can barely see those you are looking down upon from your high horse. I am fine agreeing to disagree but am not with someone throwing out broad insults regarding people they don't know anything about.

Sounds like crunch time best of luck to the Skit-B team! We know this is not a set in stone timeline as this is the teams first crack at this. Skit-B seems determined to make sure it is right before starting production. Thanks for the target date you have a bunch of pinball addicts pulling for you and drooling in anticipation.

You sure about that Ted?
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Double Ditto!!!

Oh I remember him I was an avid boxing fan back in the day.

I hope your right! I want Predator to be in the collection for a long time to come. This has been a fun ride to be a part. I just can't wait to see the UV layer and plastics. I have a feeling this is going to be something special at a great price compared to other skyrocketing NIB pin prices.

Hit the nail on the head Ted. I think it has to do with that and the fact that pinheads are an impatient bunch sometimes. Most of the time we want pins in the house now not later. The good part of this are new pinheads that really wanted in on this have their spot in line. I'm hoping to be blown away by the next update and have the feeling I will be. Congrats to all those that made their way onto the official list!

I have a nice NOS movie poster I can give to you for the very reasonable price tag of $19.5K. Buy one now I will send a second one free you just pay the extra shipping and handling.

Dude, honestly unless you are in the first 10-20 to be produced does it really matter at this point? Let them get the first complete pin built then give you a number which will still be meaningless in terms of when you will get the pin untill we see how long it's taking them to produce pins. The number is even more meaningless now since large deposits have not been asked for. Who knows how many more will drop out at that stage? It's going to take some time.

Their primary concern right now is probably (and rightfully so) getting the first complete model built and accumulating all the parts needed for production.

That is what I meant by large deposit Marc. My point is most likely a few will drop out when half is required when their machine is up so production numbers could still change a bit.

It seems to me like you have trolled this thread on more then one occasion. That makes it my business. You have made your desire to be updated very very clear in this thread on numerous occasions. No one wants to hear someone request something numerous times then throw a fit each time they don't get an answer. Please, I am asking you to stop with that on this thread.

That is your opinion. As a moderator when I think something has gone over the line I have to step in and say something. In reviewing the entire thread I disagree with you and that is the reason he was asked to stop.

You are more then welcome to disagree with my assessment. That said, when I ask for someone to stop something they do need to stop doing it. People can ask questions but when it goes as far as it had throughout this entire thread at some point it needs to stop. This is that point.

Well doesn't look like any in the top ten have bailed. Come on guys move outta the way! Thanks for the update can't wait to see what is in store for us!!
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That information and much more can be found in the Update Thread:
http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/predator-updates

When someone wants to make a thread all about them and their drama that is where I draw the line. I am sorry if you disagree. However, when asked to stop something please do. Posting 4 posts in a row it is not stopping it just makes things worse and further demonstrates the statement made earlier regarding trolling the thread.

I'm hoping a topper is one of the surprises they have for us made by Matt of Back Alley Creations. Perhaps with a LED triangle to look like the Predator laser, fingers crossed.

I like this one.

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Expo can not get here soon enough!!!! I am such a nerd counting down the days.

You lucky dog!! Hope you have a blast wish I could make it. Well I guess I'm pretty darn lucky as well as I get to find out the gender or my 2nd child that Friday.

Play pins like there is no tomorrow at expo and have a blast my friend.

Hahaa, yes I did. There were a few beverages involved tonight so you need to make some exceptions.

That looks awesome thanks for sharing the pic!! Good luck to you and the crew at expo and in the weeks to come!

I just can't wait to be playing the finished pin in person. Such a fun project to see coming to fruition. So excited to see what is in store for us.

Better get ready because it is coming and it's awesomeness might just overwhelm every last one of us if we are not prepared.
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No this was just a picture I came across not from the playfield art to my knowledge. Just thought it looked pretty similar to the art on the field which is why I posted it.

No I really don't see to many spots for wear other than usual shooter lane. The jungle scoop seems to be much like the doc ock scoop and I never notice any wear around that area left unprotected on SM. The right scoop may be a candidate for something but it is hard to tell. Only thing that I can think of other than that would be the ramp entrances perhaps.

Come on guys no more customs until Predator is at my house being played.

Why complain about it or just not do it? You can censor your self a bit so all know what your getting at. This isn't 'nam man there are rules.

What I think is ridiculous is that a bunch of pinheads that love and use this site focus on the things they dislike about the staff that keeps things running and the rules they don't like instead of expressing a bit of gratitude. Just sayin...