I'll start hunting for my massive tree right now

PRED #3

I second the motion!
I may have my PREDATOR before anyone gets their WOZ

I want an option to keep the comic sans in

If you look at games like MM and AFM, they have pretty simple playfields and not a ton of shots.
I think this will be a "player's" pin and the guys seem to have purposely stayed away from making it excessively gaudy.
I like my XM LE (for example) but sometimes there's just a bit too much going on and getting nice satisfying shots that don't cause the ball to bounce around like mad can be challenging and frustrating.
I don't like waiting 10 seconds for the ball to return to my flippers.

I don't think that's gonna be a problem
Predator is gonna steal the show!!!

This is a valid concern, but I'm willing to bet Kevin and Aaron are not trying to build a pin that will reach a super wide audience like JJP is doing. These guys appear to be building a pin that they, and other pinball "initiates", would enjoy playing. I see this very much as a players pin.

Besides, with a theme like predator, even the casual player is going to have a blast... regardless of the depth of the rule-set.

When I think of the first time I stepped in front of a TZ... now that was confusing!!!

Hey Kevin,
Thanks for answering all these questions; and sorry to keep throwing more at you... but will you consider offering folks first right of refusal to keep their same number on SkitB's 2nd release? I think I've heard that Stern has done this with their LE models, but I could be wrong. Maybe JJP too, although they should get WOZ out first
It would be pretty cool.

Also, not to put the cart before the horse, but how "developed" are your plans for pin #2?

Consider it a loyalty program

LOL!

I think the original preorder was opened up to pinsiders exclusivly, which would certainly help the numbers.
Physical orders were taken at their first show in Michigan and then I guess it pretty much opened up everywhere from there.

As much as Aliens would be cool, we've already established on other threads that there would be monster appetite for a Lebowski pin, assuming the license could be had.
So much rich material and pure comedy. I think humour is seriously lacking in pinball. MM is only mildly funny and its a huge hit. I would definitely be first in line for this title and it would sit proudly next to my tron. Can't have enough of the dude.

I think it would be great if SkitB carved out a niche for adult and slightly less mainstream themes/licenses.

Wow!
Two choppas on the playfield... my cup runneth over

Nice work Kevin and Aaron
Congrats on filling your pre-orders and a great expo.
I'm super excited to see you guys really dig in and make this project come to life and get the recognition you both richly deserve.
Looking forward to more great updates over the coming weeks! And don't rush on my account
As much as I can't wait to play #3, it'll be all that much sweeter to follow the process and see you guys knock this out of the park!

Yeah, it's not at all like JJP bringing an unfinished WOZ to a show a few months back with no working GI and no action other than a ball flipping up and down the playfield. What are these guys thinking actually showing us a game in development. If you enjoy mystery and zero input, go buy a Stern!

And, why stop at the ramps? Why not slam them for the pencil-drawn playfield art they're proposing? Man, won't that look like crap! Haven't you guys heard of color before???

I would expect this reaction if the game was being billed as finished or near-finished.

Developers bringing unfinished prototype games to shows is very much on topic... and common practice.

If reserving criticism until a project is finished, and being supportive of people who are trying to do something good for the hobby is low, then I'm all for it.

Have a nice life. Ignore!

I got in on BHZA and predator. No WOZ... doesn't do much for me.
I'm fairly confident ill see PRED before jpop's game... especially with mine being #3.
Either way, I'm in no rush for either. For me getting there is definitely half the fun and I look forward to tracking the development and continued dialogue with the Kevin and Aaron.
I only wish we had more of that on BHZA. However, I do appreciate the longer timeline and the instalment plan. Definitely takes some of the bite out of buying a $10K pin.

I think with the higher WOZ production number vs the boutique runs (and cost) if the other pins, this outcome is pretty predictable.

Hey Kevin,
I would love to have Canadian coin mechs on mine if that's at all possible?
I know mechs for quarters wouldn't be an issue, but our games usually come with a 2nd larger slot for loonies or toonies ($1 & $2 coins). These may be harder to source or more expensive. I'd be willing to pay a few extra bucks if you guys would be willing to put them in. Makes the game feel more "complete".
Not a huge deal either way, but figured I would ask.

Don't even joke. I'd have to start a whole new pin-fund right this second!!

Yup!
I posted the exact same idea on a different "what's your ideal theme" thread.
I sorta figured it could work a lot like the door on TZ... but a whole lot cooler.

Gotta have a bowling lane ala Flinstones or some sort of bowling ball return.

After posting "blonde eats banana" your honorary man card is well safe
Now go watch the movie!

If the red target is the "shoot again" insert, looks like the flippers will be right under his chin and the slings right on the top of his helmet. Look close and you can see the oblong hole for the kicker arm and the inlane/outlane switch holes just above the head.

Man, I just logged on and saw 30 new posts! I was expecting to see a new prototype or finished playfield art.

Deposit is cool. Just one more step towards making this project a reality!
Take my money

Yuuuuuup!

I'm pretty sure Aaron gave up #13 to Gambit and took #2 instead

Hey Kevin,
Not sure if you are sending these emails out with a ton of adressees, maybe as a BCC?
If you are sending it out as a blanket email to many people at the same time, a lot of servers will interpret this as spam.

Some will simply place it in the spam folder while others will kill it all together.
Since you and I have already exchanged emails, it's likely that you were not flagged, but this is the likely culprit.

In future, I would use a service like Mail Chimp to do this for you and avoid these issues.

Would it be out of line to post the email up here on the site since most of the followers of this thread are also owners?

Just an example. Obviously the more you pay for a service the better and more ad-free it will be.
But just stating that this is the likely cause of the dropped emails.

Got my second copy this evening too.

Tough call on the inscription. I guess just having my name is not very creative
It would be cool to add to the theme with the nameplate. A slight variation on Gambit's idea but maybe I'll go with: "Property of Major Alan "Dutch" Schaefer"

Or, a quote from the movie would be a great option too. How about: "There's something out there waiting for us, and it ain't no man!"

Well, it all depends on what is meant by "overlay".
If the art is printed/impregnated onto a durble substrate and laminated to the playfield, it could be super durable. Think Formica
Also, there are many printers that offer direct-to-substrate printing. For lack of a better description, it would be like running a primed playfield through an inkjet printer and then sealing it with some sort of clearcoat. Just a more efficient and inexpensive means of achieving the same effect as silk screening.
I certainly wouldn't be too comfortable with a paper-backed print being laid down on the wood.

Pretty sure this is what I'm going with

Here's one I haven't heard that might be appropriate for a nameplate:

Mac: "I'm gonna cut yo' name right into him..."

Went through the list again and this seems to be the most bad-a$$ quote for a pin inscription:

"You lose it here and you're in a world of hurt."

I've had several emails and just waiting for CC payment info for the deposit.
Not sure if that's because of my spot in line, but I'm sure everyone with a number is cool. They're just sorting stuff out and technology sometimes gets in the way.

Still praying for some new video, but with the holidays coming, I'm sure the boys are busy.

#3 in your hearts and #1 to leave the "basement"

I know what you mean
I wouldn't be opposed to a Spring delivery... but that's also because I want to drive to Michigan to get it.

Kevin said they're still working on that.

Worried? Not really... aside from the 13% a$$-raping us Ontario resident have to pay at the border

If I provide a bill of sale, all should be good.
Hey Kevin, this thing's gonna cost me $500 right?
What's a little decimal place?

I'll have to see what my schedule is like once the game is ready, but if any Toronto or Southern Ontario guys are in the early production run and want to team up, I'm cool with that.
I'll have to rent/borrow a truck or van anyway. This thing likely won't fit in my Volvo.

I just wanna be there when it comes off the line and maybe even break it in with Kevin and Aaron!
Don't box it up just yet

You suck

If you load up the truck with empty pop cans and bottles, we may just make it work.
I'll have to crunch the numbers.

I would expect that any change in price would result in the option to back out.
I would also expect the boys to ramp up for production with a few extra bodies. Even if they could get out 5 games a week, that's a year of production!!!

Gameplay vid would be nice. I'm sure the guys know how critically something like this will be scrutinized so they wanna do it right.

I'd do a check as well, if I wasn't in Canada
Pretty much CC or PayPal for me. I wouldnt mind covering the PP fees on this small deposit.
I guess a wire transfer wouldn't be so bad either. Can't remember if that was a option?

Love the video guys!
Not gonna get too nit-picky with the details. I figure you've got enough awards on your mantle to know the difference between a machine that plays well and one that doesn't.

I did miss the UV hunt mode but I'me sure it hasn't gone anywhere
The only other comment (and I think someone else mentioned it to) is that I do miss the locked balls being fired directly into the middle of the pops. Not sure if this is still in the plans or if the ball guides just need a slightly tigther bend... but it would be a nice element to be able to keep.

Carry on

I would guess not very close to final since there's still comic sans script all over the screen and there don't appear to be many custom dots.... just digitized movie clips.

However, if they're realistically two to three months out from making the first games, I would think time is tight.

I've been trying to figure out what those inserts would be for months! Very cool use of the Predator bomb gauntlet. And, it makes perfect sense with the player basically playing the role of the predator. Nice work!

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#3... build 3
aka Guinea Pig

Hey guys,
Have the boys been sending out any payment confirmations?
Being in Canada, I sent mine via PayPal and sent a follow up email or two. Have not heard anything.
Just want to make sure it was received.

Okay. Cool.
I thought I read something about confirmations going out.
Sounds good.
Thanks

That's one way of keeping the kids away from my pins

Not sure if this was directed to me (being Canadian) or SkitB, but I got a reply from Kevin yesterday that my deposit was in for #3.
No real update on the date of the first build, but they seem to be done scrambling to get that first proto on location and eager to push ahead on everything else that has to get done.
I'm personally praying for a Spring release so I can have a nice comfortable drive to Northern MI, but I'm cool with whatever.

My only struggle now is what to put on my plaque
I was going to do some movie quote or something, but after talking with Kevin about how this will be the first game ever sold by SkitB, we figured it might be nice to come up with something a little more special... no pressure

Anyway, I'm stumped. Anyone have any cool suggestions?

The machine they set up at the Shark Club.

I'm pretty sure that was for a one-time event. Don't think it will be there "on location".

Sorry:
already addressed above. must---read---before---posting

Some art or early toys would be a GREAT Christmas gift hint, hint...

Then again, I'm not complaining seeing as how we've seen way more up front and candid development on Predator than any other pin in history.

Wow. I logged in after about 4 hours and saw 50+ new posts.
I was CERTAIN that there had been some awesome news or new images. Sadly... half of them were made by pinballdad

Everyone has a right to their opinion, but $250 does not entitle anyone to browbeat someone else to perform on demand... to chain themselves to a computer and respond to every post. Maybe a few of us have been spoiled by Kevin and Aaron's open approach to this project. Maybe the Stern model of showing you nothing and then "take it or leave it" is more suited to some.

The guys have work to do and, quite honestly, a lot of these posts don't even merit a response.
Even so, SkitB has a pretty good track record of addressing most of them.

Is it any wonder Stern, JJP and JPOP rarely post here (if at all)?

You have a right to your opinion. If you are upset at SkitB not posting enough for your liking, that's fine. If paying your money makes you feel entitled to that response, so be it. I live in a world where I cannot live on the Internet if I am to get any work done and I suspect Aaron and Kevin are the same.
I would expect that, after how open and accommodating they have already been, people would cut them a bit more slack.
My wish for an "Xmas gift" was just that; a wish! Not an expectation.
If you are angry or upset that's cool. That is your right. But put yourself in my shoes and that of others here. Many of us have precious little time to spend reading forum posts and respond. When 100 posts are added in a day and half of them are guys asking for junk that SkitB already said wont happen, and the other half is negative bickering, yeah... I think I also have a right to be upset and disappointed... Just like you.
My comment was not an insult. Go back and read how much time and effort has been wasted on this topic.
If SkitB takes half my payment for this pin and starts ignoring me, then maybe I'll be upset. For now I just don't understand your frustration.
Sorry.

How BOP

Beautiful work Kevin and Aaron!

Obviously that skull would look awesome on the left in-lane plastic being clutched by the Predator on the pf, but the fear of blocking sightlines would be there.

Have a great holiday guys!
Thanks for the Christmas treat.

I've given JPOP thousands for BHZA and there is never an official notice of receipt
It would be nice.

Literally it means "the Devil hunter of men".

Got my email confirmation. Thanks!

You're gonna see none of this with multi-balls flying around

Can't recall what I donated... but would love me one of those shirts!!!
Nice!

It didn't sound like Kevin was in love with the idea... but I do recall him saying that, if that's what buyers want, they'd be open to it.
I think his exact words were that it "reeked of marketing" LOL!

I agree. I'm at the front of the line on this one and I've been buying or considering buying a lot of other games over the last few months, so a little bit of planning will be required once I eventually get the call. I'm always hoping for an updated target date, but also understand that projects like this have a way of taking longer than anyone expects.

I'm sure that the guys at SkitB will be fair and give us a proper heads up when the time comes.

Wow, I'll definitely be at Allentown.
Looking forward to seeing you guys there!

They were pretty clear that you will get your game in the order that you place your pre-order. I don't think other people's "places" are transeferable and would move to the back of the line.

Yup!
I am definitley excited to meet the guys for the first time in A-town and get to experience this game first hand.

Thanks for the detailed reply Kevin!

#3

Waaaay early in their first thread I had referenced this early Nordman game. I thought the jungle canopy effect of the plastics and "dirt" ramps were a perfect fit for Predator.

I still want to find a cheap Special Force one day. It's a cool little game for maybe $500-$600.

It's a bit more "colorful" than I was expecting,
But ill reserve final judgement until we see it all populated. It makes a huge difference.

I always think of the Dark Horse comics when I think of predator. I guess I was envisioning a darker look.

Either way, well done for the artist's first effort.
If it were me I'd probably be taking this finished art into Photoshop and playing around with different tonalities and effects to explore a few different options for the final.

Man, that dude really loves himself

I agree with all the comments on the art, but as I mentioned a couple of days ago, it would be no big deal to adjust the colours and tones in photoshop at this point.
The art has to be digitized (I'm assuming it already is) for final production... so may as well try out some adjustments in "post" and see what works best.

The toys/figures are nothing short of fantastic! I would love the entire pin to carry through that dark theme. Currently there does seem to be a small disconnect... but I'm willing to wait and see. The guys have done good so far. I have no reason to expect anything less from the final product.

I don't mind the idea of the plan. Since pin #3 will be right at the front of production I was expecting to pony up some cash soon anyway. Maybe I'll do $1000 up front and get that sexy shirt

I like the little bit at a time approach. We're doing the same with JPOP's game. That pin would have been out of reach for me otherwise. I can also say that I have been able to do a lot of other smaller deals as a result of having my funds relatively free... and not have to tie my hands in anticipation of one game that I've put a ton of money down on.

See you guys in Allentown

If you're on the wait list you probably won't see any updates until there's a spot open.
JPOP has adjusted the payment schedule slightly, but the next installment is due in about a month (instead of April 1st).
I suspect the targeted completion is still Q1 2014... but don't quote me on that.
With only 99 spots plus the 25 cointaker editions, space will be tight... especially now that they are regularly sharing progress and images to the buyers. I don't imagine many will be pulling out at this stage... but keep on him. You may get lucky.

No video yet but I just snuck in and got to meet the guys for the first time and see this
They look like they've put in a lot of hours in the last few days.
Can't wait to come back and play it.

Hope these pics come out straight.

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We're just driving home from the show.
Predator was a highlight and it was awesome to finally meet the guys.

The toll of rushing to get this latest playfield into the game and making the long drive from northern Michigan was all over their faces on Friday morning, so a huge applause and thanks for making the effort guys!

I had the pleasure to also watch Kevin reach Showdown wizard mode and kick the tar out of the game It was awesome to see it being played well (after my weak performance).

The audio package is unreal and the FF kit almost had me wondering if the game had a shaker at times.
The playfield art looked good in game. Once the inserts get printed and the black key lining is added, it'll look as good as any production game.
Ramps were original and you can still see the plywood imprint from the vacuum forming. I have faith the production ones will be much nicer.
Remember that the game does not yet have plastics. Its gonna look a whole lot cooler once plastic art is layered over the playfield and toys/figures are added.

With my game being one of the first made, I will definitely be sending some money soon (while I have it )

JETZXI, I didn't talk to the guys about mirror blades but I guess black would look badass!
I could router out a channel for the uv lighting.
Once I take possession ill measure it up and give it a shot.

Thanks again to Kevin and Aaron

Adriano
#3

I'm not convinced any side art or blades would be advisable as it'll really bring attention to the two long black L-bracket strips that run along the inside to hide the uv lighting.
Black blades is the most I would attempt, unless someone can come up with a decal strip for the L-bracket as well.

Right now it blends in nicely and you don't notice it.

No, just a plain black one for now.

I wish I had had the presence of mind to whip out the phone and tape Kevin playing this weekend... but I was just in awe at watching him (and the pin) go!

Now hurry up and go get that shoulder on Arnold fixed will ya... and lets change the skull back to red... and then white... and then red again

But seriously, I know the guys have been super open with us and put a lot of stuff out for public opinion here, but I seriously don't get the issue with all these little details. You guys can flame away, but I'm a designer and artist and I don't understand some of these comments. The game looks great, better than many in fact. I can promise that, at no point during playing this pin did I stop and say "Hey, something's not right with this playfield art".
Last thing on my mind to be honest. Maybe it's just me. I guess the game just rocked so hard that I didn't have time to look

Yeah, I totally get that. But, I also think that there is such a thing as being overly critical. I'm sure the guys do appreciate it. I just feel like some may be missing the forest for the trees.
I can think of a dozen things that would concern me before the "correctness" of the playfield art.

Missing an important character? Sure, that's a big deal!
The incorrect perspective of a gun barrel or shoulder? Not so much.
I've avoided making any real judgements and letting the guys surprise me... but if I was piping up, I'd be picking my battles and want the guys to focus on bigger things. Just sayin'

Playfield art has traditionally been screen printed and the art was a little more simplified as a result (fewer screens meant less cost).
Translites are printed with inkjet or similar processes. This allowed a lot more tonality, fading etc...

Much older games may have had screen printing on both playfield and glass, while modern pins seem to have more digital printing on playfields and translites, but I think the 90's did have a lot of "mis-matching" art styles. I'd say it was a fair comment.

My guess is that if the guys were shooting for more realistic playfield art, they'd get slammed for doing what Stern does with photographic or photoshopped art; instead of hand drawn.

Let me say that my excitement level has shot way up after playing Predator this last weekend

Ha Ha!
I've always had a thing for Special Force. I'm a Dennis Nordman fan and it was his first game.
In fact, I picked one up this last weekend and had it at Allentown (in our hotel room).
From day one I thought the stacking canopy plastics were a brilliant idea and something that could really bring the Predator theme to life as well.

I also love the pop-bumper "huts", but having something like that dead centre in this playfield would probably spoil it. Now, victims dangling from their feet that rattle with every pop hit... now that would be badass!

Wow! That's two of us Kevin.
I had one set up in the hotel room but we were working on it more than playing
It's all good now.

I saw the one at GLM's booth and even offered him a few bucks for a couple of plastics that are damaged on mine. If you don't plan to keep them for your re-theme, I'm your man

I got it with the intention of maybe one day doing a re-theme as well... but it's so cool I may just leave it alone.

This ^

Input is one thing. Expecting the game to be designed around our every whim... not so much.
Let's not forget who the creators and designers are here.

Being asked for an opinion on what they are doing is great. And changes have been made when there is an overwhelming response from many. But, expecting to have every idea that we spew at them incorporated, is something different altogether.

I suggest that anyone with extremely strong views in this matter consider developing their own game and putting it online for public dissection. Not an easy thing to do for sure.

Sorry dude

#3

Thank God there's no bash toy!!!
Now that would have been a bit disappointing.
Everything else is good as far as I'm concerned.
3 dangling bodies sounds cool, but I wonder if they'd clutter up the view to the upper playfield?
I guess it all depends how they're placed...
but it certainly would be more fitting with the theme.

I'm praying #3 will be ready right around EXPO in October. That would certainly save me a drive

Whaddya say guys?

Still #3 and #3... yeah baby!

However, I want to pick mine up on my trip to EXPO so... depending when they get built, I most certainly won't be the first owner to unbox mine :sniff:

Sick topper Matt
See you guys at the show. Leaving tomorrow morning. Can't wait!

PS
The loop on top of that skull should give us a clue. Dangling over the game maybe??

Thanks for the posts Kevin.
I was having mixed emotions this week at expo.
On one hand I was really disappointed to not see the game at all on Thursday and then further upset at not being able to play it before leaving early Saturday for the 9hr drive back to Toronto.
However, I was pretty happy with the progression from the last build in Allentown (that I did get to play).
Of course a few things still need massaging and refinement. Matt across the aisle was also a big help in answering a few questions while Kevin was away.

I had a great time playing it earlier this year, so I can only assume this build is better.
We only got to talk for a couple of minutes before the SkitB seminar, but I have to admit that Kevin appeared to be taking everything in stride and handling the stress pretty well.

And Kevin, thanks for bringing those parts for me. I know you had a lot on your plate. I appreciate it.

Adriano

Hmmmm. Interactive or not, I really like the idea of a "choppa" toy.
Has nobody thought of this yet???
I'm sure it's in the thread somewhere... amidst all the ponies and boobs

I've tried to reserve judgement for the last couple of weeks because, being at the front of the line on this project, I was pretty bummed after expo. I have to say that, since watching the video several times now... and finally on a larger screen, I am getting really excited again. And yes, I can see the predator's face pretty clearly under UV light on the big screen.

I never had any illusions of predator beign a JPOP style game full of toys and crazy mecahnisms, but just a really solid and well thought out player with great flow and some neat features. Playing a rougher version in Allentown sold me; the gameplay was fun! This latest video, along with Kevin's assurances on what will be addressed before production, have gotten me firmly back on board. Although, I'm curious about their intent to have the ball "strike the hanging body" on the way up to the ramp. I hope they plan to extend a small post down from the figure and not actually allow the ball to smack it directly. That could get ugly.

I also love Aurich's suggestion and felt that the inserts on the current playfield were all just too similar. Changing out the glove inserts for red on black would be a phenomenal add... hopefully the guys agree and it's not too late to alter the art before final production.

A chopper toy, even if aftermarket, would be a huge bonus. Hopfully someone will figure something out once we have some sizing. If not 3D (like the plane in TOMMY for example) even a 2D appearance on a back panel plastic would be cool. I can visualize the interior lit up all red like in the movie.

Anyway, just wanted to congratulate Kevin and team on picking themselves up after expo and I'm looking forward to playing Predator #3.

Keep up the good work guys.
Adriano

A hurry-up with countdown to detonation and Arnie yelling that famous line at the start would be pretty damn cool.
I can hear the Predator laughing in the background

Here's a question.
Who will you guys be using for shipping/delivery?

I'm gonna have to figure out how to get this bad boy into Canada pretty soon.

You guys are always welcome. It can't be much more than about 5hrs. We'll have lots of good Canadian beer waiting. Hell... if you're talking April, I may have to re-consider my original plan to come down and pick the game up myself. This winter has been a bear so far!
BTW. You're not planning to be at Pinfest in Allentown again this year, are you?

In reality, I have a friend with a clearing warehouse and brokerage service in Fort Erie MI, so I'd have little problem getting the game into the country... Just have to pay the tax. However, if you're seriously looking into import options and would like to discuss, I can put you two guys together and you can chat. Shoot me a PM if you guys need any help.

They had a Solar Fox at Expo.... didn't see Sonic though.
Maybe it's another re-theme like Duck Hunt. Solar Fox was built on an old Bally Special Force machine. It wasn't yet functional at the show though; just art.

Email sent.
Hope it helps.

Ahem, ahem.
This thread and Kevin have been pretty quiet.

Hope to see a video pretty soon. Having to wait until April would suck

I waited nearly two weeks to get a reply to a couple of emails; but Kevin did finally email me last night. Seems like he's just catching up with some overdue correspondence... but still very much alive and kicking

Sorry, no news on the game. But, I also didn't ask.
I'm sure that will be up next.

They also sent out an email for optional additional pre-payments beyond the $250 and up to the full purchase price... which some people (for various reasons) have decided to make.
Are those people entitled to more communication than those who paid $250???
That's a rhetorical question of course.

However, given the communication we are accustomed to from other manufacturers, I'm okay with the pace of response from SkitB. Sure, I'd love to know more about what's happening... but I think we've also been a little spoiled.

I was listening to the PINHEADZ podcast yesterday after a friend told me that Kevin did a 30 minute interview on the show. Anyone know when this actually took place? Looks like it was posted about 4 days ago.
Not sure if this is old news?

Kevin pops in just before the 1:05 mark.

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