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Quoted from PopBumperPete:Sledge hammer to fix a minor issue
A person should always be able to edit their post
Better (firmer) moderation would make idiots think before they post garbage
It's not a minor issue - as other forum admins would tell you.
People like to rewrite history... the old "think before you post" mantra doesn't really sink in for a lot of people.
Quoted from mof:What problem is being solved where normal posts can't be edited > 1 year?
Can we ask moderators to undo this requirement for restoration threads where we have lists on the 2nd and 3rd post?
Or better yet,
Are restoration threads ever an issue for you, Robin?
Is there any chance we can give Restoration threads immunity to these editing rules?
I structure my restoration threads like this:
1) introduction (1/2 a page, so the first time read isn't a massive list in your face)
2) lists of tasks
3) likely a summary (when it's done of before/after)
4+ are the "Rest of the thread"
Some of my restoration threads may take longer than a year to complete, since I am doing 5 at once in my off hours.
=)
thanks,
mof
A far simpler approach is to have different edit rules for a specialized forum like a restoration forum. If there are very specific needs for that kind of topic that are specialized - then treat it as specialized.
But you still have the problem of people that get mad and try to 'take all their toys home' and wipe out all their previous contributions.
Quoted from Wizcat:No, because I lose ownership of content that I have provided. It's the principals of the policy change that upset me.
It's not a change - your contributions have never been temporary. You should look at the Terms of Service when you signed up:
"In contributing to Pinside.com, you agree to grant Pinside.com a perpetual, non-exclusive right and licence to publish your contribution on the website whilst you continue to remain a member, as well as to publish and distribute your contribution, and with your separate permission, as part of any compilation work that Pinside.com may choose to produce in any format at any time. Once you have given your permission, it cannot be withdrawn. This will apply even if you have been suspended or banned from the site."
This is consistent everywhere online. Assume once you submit it, it's permanent.
Quoted from Wizcat:Look, I get it. It 'solves' two problems:
a) There may be once or twice amongst the thousands of users where someone has got upset and deleted their content. So what? They provided that content. For whatever reason they've decided they don't want to be part of the community and now delete that content. It may break up the flow of the thread, but I would argue that a user is well within their rights to delete their own content. Most often this kind of thing happens when a user has been in an argument and would like the opportunity to start over. I'd say that is more a good thing than a bad thing.
b) Someone may maliciously change their post to cause trouble in some capacity. Whether its faking the price that something sold for, or whatever, its bad behaviour. That should already be addressable by banning.
A policy change like this is taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Over the top, unnecessary and unwelcome.
Just because you didn't see it, so you think it's only 'once or twice' doesn't make it true.. as Robin has already stated, and I can tell you as another site operator. It's pretty standard to limit editing because the problems are so frequent and it's an easy fix.
You'd be amazed at how frequently you get requests for "please take my posts down" or afterwards people go "please delete everything I had on the site". People think just because it's hidden from view it somehow goes away forever.. nevermind all the different caches, bots, etc that have scraped it long ago.
When people have an expectation of 'oh I can just remove it' they tend to react without thinking of the consequences.
Quoted from robin:I don't think a publicly viewable edit log is a good idea. However, the idea to log post edits is interesting. It could work as a moderation tool. That way the mod team can spot the bad apples and send out warnings to users with questionable editing behaviour. We could even use it to restore posts in case of a user meltdown, a user error or even a site error.
post history has been a feature of vbulletin and xenforo for quite some time. Very useful.. you get a version history and a diff view between versions.
Quoted from gweempose:"evil" ???
I believe this is a nudge at the well known Google corporate mantra of "Don't Be Evil"... which was a jab at the interpretation of Microsoft's strategies.
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