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Quoted from jgentry:No game is for everyone but it's about as far from a dog as they come. Awesome game with very unique code.
Ain't that the truth. Scoring is such a jump ahead it adds a totally diff'rent element to the game that nothing else has.
Quoted from ZMeny:Swapping multiplier shots with the action button is the worst. It’s just my opinion, but pinball skill should come from controlling the ball and prepping for stacks, not from exploiting a mathematical algorithm. That’s what Math Bowls are for in high school. This is pinball damn it. He who can control the silver ball and get through the game should be the one rewarded.
Gotcha. I would argue they are not convoluted at all, and make sense and are pretty easy to understand, to me anyway.
I lean more towards the fact it's a button, like the other buttons, that changes the aspect of what's happening on the PF. Changing a, how do I explain it, a 'lit shot' aspect of the game for me isn't much diff'rent than say a physical one like the ramps on Shadow. Since it affects scoring and most all the shots, instead of just 2 ramps, I think it's much more involved.
The thing I really I like the most aboot it though is it pits you against yourself more than anything else. Try to work that multiplier juuuust a little bit more for a big payout and bam SDTM. Hit the button to move them over a bit SHIT, down the drain. 
To me, just my opinion of course, I think the whole "OMG it's a bunch of math it's hurting my brain" is a little over played.
Multiplying makes more points. More points is good. More points have always been good. Multiplied shots/PF have almost always been apart of DE/Sega/Stern rules and to me i see this as the next evolution of that.
Now of course we don't need ALL games to be this way.
Quoted from delt31:I agree that we need more creative code but new for the sake of new doesn't help if it doesn't make sense. Plunging for a mp doesn't make sense.
Haha this is so silly. Plunging for MP, which btw I don't think many people do because there are better options, gives you what...5 free hits; big whoop.
Quoted from iceman44:Dwight isn’t the most creative on code.
He hits it SDTM
True. I mean besides inventing an entire new creative scoring system and all
Quoted from ZMeny:I can get through the quest of that game, control better and longer, and end up with 1/2 the score of someone focusing on multipliers.
I constantly hear this as a negative and I'm going to ask you personally, when has this happened? Has this been a thing when playing other people that focus more on MPs or are you just sort of assuming? People act like you can just walk up to the machine, jack the MP up real quick, get a MB and you're the champ 
Trust me, that would be awesome, but it doesn't really work that way. I feel like my long, deep games end up with some big scores whether i'm really focusing on the MPs or not.
Sure there are "tricks" to increasing it that smart players do, like draining starting MBs to keep adding balls and increasing it etc, but at the end of the day you gotta hit the damn bank to keep it going, you have to move the targets to get the most points possible, you have to risk draining all the time to do it.
A feel like a lot of this dislike came from the very beginning of the game...when a folk or 2 was acting liek all you had to do was "spam" the left ramp and you win the game...that thread was kind of funny but more sad.
Fair enough, we all like games for diff'rent reasons and that's cool.
My last point is that I have been a bit disappointed with a lot of the "score vs. Journey" talk lately. I understand growing up a mode dmd era player, I'm the exact same way, but score has always mattered along with modes/wizards. The are both important, and are not mutually exclusive. Machines have had scores on 5hem since the beginning, and at some point they even invented putting in initials to prove it.
Edit: for code Met for sure... The CIU modes are brilliant. And great to multi... I'm sorry, I've said too much
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His main problem is thinking you're the voice of the community, it's arguing the voice of the community wouldn't largely, too largely some would say, factor in theme.
Quoted from ZMeny:Hey guys, easy now, “The VOICE of the pinball community” kinda has a nice ring to it!
Be careful, a good chunk of people here think K is the voice of the community too 
Quoted from musketd:I feel JJP is one of the main reasons pricing has gotten out of control
Of that there is little doubt
Quoted from musketd:what’s the next game going to be 10k?
I imagine it will go up $500 like the last making it 9K.
Quoted from OnTheSnap:In terms of needing a deep pin for home fun - well I love my TNA, which isn't deep at all.
Having a well rounded mix is ALWAYS better. You want LOTR/Hobbit to play for an hour a game, awesome. Great to cut that with some Flash Gordon/BSD/IM whatever...something quick.
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Quoted from ZMeny:Have you guys played potc yet?
Played it very briefly, so I haven't made an decisions aboot the play itself; I was just shocked out how "non movie" it was. I've always said their are 2 types of people one whom get excited aboot seeing an early game and those that don't; I'm usually in the latter category. I mean they HAVE to be adding a ton of shit from the movies or you're just playing a game with a map and little avatars on it.
EDIT: I'm not even a fan of the movies but jeez peope probably want some POTC on their POTC machine?
Quoted from ZMeny:Potc as a theme isn’t strong for me, so I relish the pirate theme as a whole.
I feel the same way; so i say give me some pirate shit instead of a corner burnt-map and little avatars. Black rose figured it out and that game blows
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Quoted from ZMeny:Metallica Ramps? Eh nothing special but fun to shoot
Agreed there...and basically you can avoid them pretty much to be honest.
I'd like to read aboot the breakdown in metal vs plastic ramps. Everyone hammers me for liking plastic over metal ramps (entries at least not counting habitrails which can be both), but I always have.
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Quoted from ScreaminSauce:I think the GB Pro ramp is actually pretty clever, ...
it IS clever, but the super tight opening and it being completely kept on the right side hurt it for me. Now if it were made pansexual and had the ability to go all the way up and over to exit out of the left ramp during certain(t) times that would be sweet.
I also don't think there's a magnet involved anywhere just gravity for the return?
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Quoted from Who-Dey:Theres just no way in hell that you can be friends with the owner of a pinball company and be unbiased too.
Well, stepping outside of this one situation, that's exactly what a "professional" reviewer of anything does. That is, literally, the job.
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Quoted from Darscot:This I was very hopeful but Baby Deadpool rated G makes no sense.
Quoted from Darscot:How is Stern so out of touch, does no one at Stern know anything about the movies....
They could be that out of touch. I mean, you're so out of touch you think Stern had a completed code game at the reveal...haha that's fucking hilarious.
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Quoted from DennisK:I was really disappointed in BW, but I'm well under a fair number of evaluation plays on it, and how a game is set-up makes a big difference so my experiences...
Very true on set up, but no worries on Barb Wire, it's actually that atrocious. Played a few right out of the box, just as bad.
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:You really can't see the benefit or think it would work out for the good?
Not really. You have to weigh the work that would go into a re-skin vs the return. How many people are really not buying TNA because of the artwork? How many of that possible number could you catch interest in buying by slightly tweaking the art?
How would this new art capture the interest of new people?
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:I can account for one lost sale.
Even to a smaller company like Spooky, I don't think that means much. There's nothing to point toward you liking the new art enough to buy one if they change it.
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Quoted from Who-Dey:The show isnt going to make you rich or famous anyway so i say keep it simple and DEFINITELY keep it 100% bias free. Also as far as sponsors go, i dont wanna watch that bullshit, it just pisses me off more than anything because ...
Quoted from PanzerFreak:For those that are not familiar with Pateron it's a way of supporting content creators on YouTube and other sites that otherwise would receive zero to little compensation. Paterons for creators typically have a $1, $3, $5, etc monthly pledge...
Quoted from ZMeny:Man we are considering this. We started low budget with no need for support. Now that we spent hours traveling, producing, and editing, we seek support through shirt sales and private donations (PayPal [email protected]) ...
That's how show biz works Dey. When your fans are beggin you to take their monies what can you do but oblige; just ask Stern
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Quoted from jgentry:It's pretty simple, if you dont like the game or the price, dont buy it. It always amazes me how people get really mad when they dont like a new game.
I don't think the majority, or anywhere close to it, are mad aboot it. I think lots of people just think it looks horrible. There's some real Beatles fans in there that had "their hearts broken" 
but that's going to happen everytime no matter what. eXpecially with a ka-pow angle I think most people knewm it wasn't going to be for them.
But again, I think most people are just a little chocked by the look of it. Hmm...well true there are people that never play games without ramps that are a little pissy.
Quoted from jgentry:It's funny to me that cgc applauded for doing some bling and stern is killed when they actually added a lot to the gameplay of a remake.
Agree there, but people love bling now and I don't think adding MB to a SS game moves the needle much round here. I think it's pretty cool but THe spinner and magnet seem sort of tacked on but we shall see. I didn;t really think it was going to be a seawitch...but like I said before whatever gets them closer to making classics is good in my book.
Quoted from jgentry:The whole dream theme nonsense is even worse. I should get to punch anyone that says grail or dream theme..
Preaching to the choir. The call it a grail but it seems to be "childhood ruiner" more often.
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Quoted from Who-Dey:Are you saying though that you dont enjoy looking at the artwork, lights, and toys inside a pinball machine? If thats the case what attracts you to this hobby anyway?
Some people don't like the terminology and find it a bit...ga....no can't say that anymore...um, "millennial."
Quoted from Who-Dey:If you dont get any enjoyment out of looking at all the toys and neat things in a pinball machine you should just buy old EM's and save yourself alot of money.
This sums it up pretty perfectly these days. People that love playing pinball machines and people that love looking at pinball machines.
Quoted from jgentry:I generally walk in my game room, look around....
Are the games visible or are the under special pinball blankets?
If so, are they customized with the manufacturer or specific games printed on them?
Are there Mats/rugs in front of the games?
Is so,...
These are some questions that helps separate which of the many groups you belong to.
Quoted from Bublehead:I like the term “World Under Glass” because the phrase “Sewer Under Glass” was already trademarked by Stern <flame repellant undies firmly in place>
Actually Stern has already used the term in their marketing in the past; making even less cool than before.
Quoted from Who-Dey:...I got rugs in front of my games because ...
This shit just writes itself
Quoted from Who-Dey:But....what if you came over and i smoked your ass, would you let me in then?
I'd take that bet all day and twice on ass smoking day. 
Quoted from Who-Dey:So my point is, you can be a player and someone who looks at their games both.
Of course you can. All types of collectors here.
Quoted from Who-Dey:.. and he even uses the word "pretty" all the time, which i think he needs his man card pulled ...
Of course not. I'm pretty and still have my card I think. I think we're on the same page here with everyth....
Quoted from Who-Dey:...he loves modding his games and is damn good at it btw, ...
Goddamit man. I can let most things go but lusting after others mod jobs has got to be a card violation.
Quoted from Bublehead:I think its hillarious we are all on here talking about smoking ass... and how that would play out on partially overheard conversations...
I feel the same way aboot "OMG you really got your toy all lit up, it's so pink...and a little purple *tee hee* Now I can finally see it when we play with the lights out."
Probably should change it to vaping ass these days I guess.
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CC has the look and sound of the late B/W and it's a fantastic package...I just think it's the worst of the afm/mm/mb ruleset.
The mine mech is buggy, the drops are a great idea but get a little old, it just gets a little boring. I played a ton of the CCC code and just got burnt out on it personally.
No doubt it would sell well.
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Quoted from Who-Dey:TheLaw is not easily impressed for some reason?
Correct, I have to balance you guys out buy not going ape shit every time a new game is released
Do I like the look of the game? Sure, it's fantastic. Do I think it's a good deal better than IMDN, GB, MET? No not really.
It's literally a sort of off the shelf Borg layout.
Quoted from anathematize:but does the market really need ANOTHER pin based on a long cancelled television series?
Well it's the theme they were after, not the content I think. It's monsters, it's classic, it seems to be made to go up against MBre; so that all makes sense.
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Quoted from ZMeny:I take it you do not share the same sentiments?
That's not even the craziest thing in there
I don't know whom haber is, but anyone that rates the art of a game more important than enjoyability & the same as rules/code is a dangerous individual. But hey you gotta have all angles I understand...even from the criminally insane.
As I would have assumed Chuck makes the most sense.
Straight sweep with A's for art; ouch.
Quoted from Hollywoodbone:... Our entire banter almost from the beginning has been Zach’s outlandish and flagrant reviews ...coupled with my more balanced and laid back reviews....and that’s what people grew to love.
yes sir.
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Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:A poster above suggested one should ignore code when picking a top shot. What?? Geometry, mechanics, software and the shot’s “significance” are my top criteria.
Well one idea would be that software doesn't have anything to do with the shot itself and can inflate the importance.
When you finally hit a lock shot to score vacation jackpot or a simple scoop when rule the universe is lit can be a shot you've been waiting for for a long time and vary memorable; but a "best shot?"
How aboot if you ever actually collected all letters and spelled "Dialed In" (a monuments achievement), and then hit the Sim Card scoop would be like the greatest shot in your career...yet that shot is actually the worst shot in town!
Just an idea.
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:The point is, one should establish a set of rules and criteria and convey them before discussing top picks. That is the only civilized way to approach it.
Dude this is Indiana...there is no rules.
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Quoted from Ccondo:I think Jurassic Park looks fantastic, and I never ordered a game without some time on it first but can’t hold off any longer. I just preordered a Premium...
Good thing aboot the Prem is you'll have time to play the pro and if you're not feeling it just back out.
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Raptor pit needs work, you can get I a real clunk coma on the right side, shot rejects
Right halfpipe, way more callouts needed, smart missile (or was that actually changed to something in the last update?), more code.
Fun game.
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Quoted from Hypercoaster:I noticed that Zach did not address that he previously told Dwight on the TWIP Podcast (when arguing about Champion Pub) that "anytime the ball leaves the playfield, that is a gimmick". If that is true, the Demogorgan must be a gimmick?
Haha... He's got some wacky ideas that's for sure. But hey, we've all got out ideas on the right way to play.
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Quoted from ZMeny:Oh you fuckin crush hard on us you silly man you
"Us?" 
Look, no offense but there's a certain point you have to just let the real star shine and not continue to drag Greg down.
I know it's hard, but it's the right thing to do!
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I played on the other day and damn, it was a smoooooth MF'er. I came home and looked around for things to sell
But I guess I have time because it will take months to get one I heard.
Very unique feel, way diff'rent than his others.
Didn't care for the lower right side area on the pro though, but assume I'd go Prem anyway.
Quoted from Budman:What did you think of the mechaGodzilla loop?
Umm, I dont know which loops is the top loop is great, and I was able to Beatles it and loop 4-5 times in a row at times.
That top loop that lead to the upper flipper is great.
The lower spinner to loop next to the "scoop" I didn't care for, didn't like that or the "scoop" shot.
Is it one of those? 
Hitting that "Tail wHip" loop with the upper flipper is tough. But I probably only played like 6-7 games so I didn't master all the shots or anything.
Still need to see how good the rules are.
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