TNA. Gets the heart pumping + awesome co-op mode.

I'll watch game play of Beatles if it's steamed at Pincinnati and take in everyone's thoughts of game play. It won't be long.

I do like what I seen of the , multiplayer awesomeness. I really really like that.

Why choose? get TNA and sea witch. I’ve played sea witch a lot, it has a great layout...your paying a premium for art and modes with Beatles (your Beatles records will sound better playing in the background)

I think it looks like a fun game, thanks for the footage SDTM. Like others, I think they overpriced it, or at least priced me out. I'm not one of the crazies yelling "should only be 4k!!!!!", but for me, the closest comparabile modern machine is TNA. Take 6k then add in the extra cost of the Beatles license and the money they have to give to Kapow I can see it costing more than TNA, but not $1600 more.

That being said, my guess is it cost Stern a lot more in upfront with the Seawitch redesign (yes, parts were redesigned, I don't see Seawitch with a spinning disk and magnet), the art, the lcd and the programming. Spooky got everything other than the art pretty much handed to them whole when they partnered with Danesi and run a whole lot smaller/leaner so their overall costs have to be lower per unit.

At the end of the day, all it really matters to Stern is if they sell all of their allotment to distributors and distributors are able to move the pins to customers, and it seems like that is happening regardless of Pinside angst.

I like the Beatles theme alot. I just imagine something different. You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one

:PS)You may have Something there.

Bugs - no way!

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5 IJ Williams

Time to get the smelling salts out in Tennessee if this is something you can't understand as I would question if you have a pulse. I guess people like me just call out nonsense like this but shame on customers for supporting it as well. Stern should have taken the higher road on this.

Yep love me some wide ladies plus I figure if I have 4 of them I technically get 1 game for free! lol

Delt I know you are a good dude, but you have lost it on this one. Completely out of touch with reality on this one. You've sold plenty of games. In some cases you were definitely trying to get a premium for them. I don't have a problem with that, get as much as you can for them. But when a company tries to make as much as they can they are sick, disgusting, and you want to flip it over and burn it, etc. And now not only is stern disgusting, but shame on any one that buys one A little over the top about a toy don't you think?

Mutual respect here as well but going to agree to disagree I guess. Trying to compare selling of already produced machines based on their quality to this gutless cash grab reskin is far fetched (won't even spend the time to detail why - just don't care to) and using an IP itself (not the game) to justify the price is just something I will never support. This is coming from a stern supporter in general.

I mentioned lighting it on fire was over the top so don't take everything I say so serious! haha

I think this is a question that has to be asked...Beatles or TNA?

FYI: just seen on news that R&L Carrier truck crashed in Lexington, NC. North bound I believe. Hope driver is okay. Products onboard can be replaced. That's the carrier that has brought my NIB pins as well as other's I know.

Yeah we talked about that before. For me TNA all the way even though I can see myself liking the gameplay of Beatles better. The music and sound system in TNA is way to good to pass up if I could only have one of these.

I guess I can get that a little. But at the same time there is a lot going into a reskin like this. In this case the layout has been tweaked a pretty good amount, so much so that the game is going to play fairly different then a Seawitch. Add in that all the mechs are either redesigned or switched to modern mechs, all modern boards, lighting etc, all new code with modes etc, and the cost can add up.

Most people are comparing this game to TNA and saying well TNA is 6K so this is over priced and crazy. I understand that if you just look at the surface but if you dig a little you can see real quick why it may cost more.

TNA is unlicensed and had no cost for that, The Beatles is rumored to be the most expensive license ever and is on a limited run of games (if you consider 1964 limited)

TNA barely uses it's LCD screen, The Beatles has a massive amount of work put into it's LCD display which requires a ton of code
and man hours and it is being received as one of the best LCD uses to date already.

While I think TNA is OK in the art department (BG is OK, playfield is meh to me) The Beatles has very well done professional art.

No doubt TNA brings you a better cabinet, better speakers, spooky's proven playfield toughness, a real BG, etc. So I think build quality wise TNA beats the pants off of The Beatles. But to get a TNA you have to wait and for most of the world it is at best $6300 shipped and that's if you don't add anything. The Beatles is being shipped at $7600 for most. So $1300 more, factor in the license, art, and LCD work and I can see how you get there real quick. For me they are very comparable. I would be a lot more interested in The Beatles if it came in an old school cab. That is my biggest disappointment in the game.

Personally I think they are both a little overpriced for what you get but if you have the money why not if you like the product. Knowing TNA was overpriced didn't stop me from buying one. If The Beatles was in the same cab as my Flash Gordon it would probably be enough to push me into buying one. For now I'll wait and see how the HUO market goes though.

OMG, you guys are killing me. I almost pissed myself at work laughing so hard during the chipmunk portion. especially when you were both laughing...

thanks for the laughter gents!!

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2) Cactus Canyon
3) Pirates of the Caribbean (LE)
4) Champion Pub
5) Dirty Harry

NOT trying to get in the middle of this disagreement but I have a general question. I keep hearing this "reskinned" excuse for lack of value? Not again defending Stern or this title but Other than the general layout how many parts were Actually reused from Seawitch?? A few similar screws? I would bet 95% of this game and its mechs are of new design and creation. Its not like they simply pulled out some NOS Seawitch games and added a new decal. Yes I would have been upset IF this Was a Seawitch non licensed Vault at this price but Seriously does Anyone think a Beatles license would be cheap or that they simply pulled this game off a shelf? I too want a Rolex but my budget is fine without the fancy name to just buy a Citizen even though it Looks like a reskin.

1. Hobbit
2. LOTR
3. WOZ
4. World Cup Soccer
5. Champion Pub

Us poors have to stick together.

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Haha, priceless Zach. The better question is have you gotten a POTC yet or are you still lost without time or pinball (or super jackpots)?

Have you ever played the greatest soccer game ever made?!? Haha

I value innovation. No question the cost associated with the design and execution of a brand new table is high. Stern essentially cut this cost out and threw innovation out the door along with it. To take this approach for an IP like the Beatles it's disappointing. I think Stern thought literally putting Beatles on Seawitch without doing anything would be a little too ridiculous so they threw in a magnet, a spinner and some other items.

If that's sufficient for some that's great but I'll call it out for what it clearly is.... A simple cash grab and Stern is better than that.

I hope that was a nicer watch then my citizen. Hocking it probably wouldn't get me a POTC lock bar.

I love all you guys!

I think the approach works fine. Given TNAs success, people asking for reboots of older machines, wanting the machine to be simpler for non-pinheads and using a nostalgic design given the 1964 vibe, all makes perfect sense. If they would've designed a new old school layout I am sure lots of people would be complaining "why didn't they just base it on a good design like Seawitch? Stupid Stern...".

Is it innovative? No, I agree with that. I also don't think it needs to be to be fun, at least not for me. Looking forward to playing one if one shows up locally.

I also think people are overestimating the cost savings by rebooting a pin that old. Requires getting the playfield into their design software, new code, new mechs, new whitewood, LCD work. Saved some time getting from concept to whitewood, and geometry was already solid so saved some iteration time there for sure. Then you add in all the fixed costs that happens with a company that size. They have to pay everyone from the cleaning staff to the CEO, pay rent, buy parts, whatever and still have enough left over to make it profitable for the shareholders.

Companies exist to make money. It was Stern's risk to price and market the product this way, if it doesn't sell it is on them, they lose money. If it does sell, they reap the rewards. Its priced too high for me, but i don't think that means Stern is just out for a cash grab and doesn't care about the product.

100% agree

WOZ and WH20 #1 and #2

How you guys came up with Popeye and Flintstones though? Maybe the crack pipe wore off towards the end of the show?

Plus you guys missed Alien....that is a world under glass!

Flintstones is the best babies orange shit diaper under glass. Maybe that's what some people thought the topic was?

I think all pinball machines are a world under glass. I know the pinball Gods or at least those who think that they are hate the term world under glass, but its a real thing so f*ck em!

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2. WOZ
3. JJPPOTC

I can't think of many games with a world under the glass, but Williams Satellite and Judge Dredd certainly come to mind.

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2. JJP POTC
3. WOZ
4. Big Lebowski
5. TSPP
6. Whitewater
7. Blackwater 100
8. Flintstones
9. Alien
10. LOTR

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Random?

How is Deadworld not considered to be one of the greatest, if not the greatest world under glass?

I think its really hard to do a top 10 because there are so many that deserve to be in there. I think Monster Bash and Creature are both pretty special and how about Congo? What about, Twilight Zone, Theatre of Magic, Fun House, and Godzilla? Jurassic world or JP one was really cool best i remember?

Another thing guys and im telling you that i am feeling this so strong that you wouldn't believe it, I think The Munsters is going to blow people away when it comes out. I think Munsters is where Stern makes a statement and gives a big F YOU to all the other pinball companies out there. I truly believe that we are gonna be looking at Sterns Monster Bash guys! Also dont forget Elvira 3 coming out.....thats going to be another amazing world under glass pin.

Great times ahead for us all i believe!
Great show btw!

Another good show guys. Not going to bemoan any machines I felt could be on this, as I think again "World Under Glass" is so subjective and based more on feeling.
For me I'd go with Creature from the Black Lagoon, but I'm biased as I think that's one of the best looking games ever made, and best themed. Medieval Madness at number 2. Attack from Mars at number 3. Because the saucer in the middle just screams alien invasion b movie and since its the centerpiece of the game its deserves to be there. Number 4 is Bride of Pinbot. You're playing on her body to wake her up. Just a really neat concept, and really cool face ball lock, and just a great game... Still haven't gotten the billion point shot, but I've come close to getting it.
For number 5 I'll go with Ghostbusters. You got the buildings, the library, Staypuft, Slimer. And generally I hate the looking down birds eye perspective, but for this game it not only works, but still looks beautiful.

Oh forgot to mention. I did meet Zach at Expo. Didn't get to meet Greg as I think he left the day I was there. Looking forward to one day meeting Greg. And I do think you guys should do a regrets video. About all the pins you've owned and regretted owning. They could be great pins... Just either not worth the money, or not deep enough for the home setting. Perfect game for a bar, but sucks for a home. That kind of thing. Or maybe super rare pin hard to find parts for, so hard to maintain. I know Zach buys a new machine each week basically, so he had to have lots of regrets.

Creature is a great choice.

And this whole world under glass nonsense is a bit much. I file it as theme integration. The games where I can’t really think of any other way to do that particular theme better, those are the best “worlds under glass”. Haha. So magical.

I dont know if Elvira will be a great pin under glass. Quite frankly I'm more interested in how they handle the call outs and animations... They won't... But, I think they need to showcase her tassle twirling ability... To me that would be a mode. Each time you hit the pop bumpers she twirls the tassles. But, it could be. Scared Stiff was a great looking pin... And EATPM is a good one too. Just both are overpriced sadly... Something I would have never said before I started watching SDTM. I use to think you guys were silly and dumb when you talked about prices... Now that I've owned a few pins... You guys were and are totally right. Paying big bucks for a lot of older pins just are not worth it. Need deep games for a limited home collection.

You can call whatever you want but its still the same thing. If you can look into a pinball machine and it makes you smile or happy and it makes you feel like you become part of it then thats world under glass, theme integration, magical, or whatever u want to call it. When people look at a pinball machine and see all the flashing lights and toys and artwork and stuff that is the main draw to a game at first. That doesnt mean its going to be a good game but its still fun to look at.

When i come home after work or play pinball on a day off etc i want to leave my real life world for awhile and join the one inside the game because it helps me forget about things for awhile, same with a video game. I couldn't imagine only looking at a pinball machine in a competitive way, that would suck. I dont think too many people actually care how good of a pinball player someone is anyway.

Elvira could have endless possibilities of being a great world under glass pin. Pinball and horror go together like peanut butter and jelly.

I also think the ideal collection should have both old and new games alike. There are some old games that are classics that can be bought at very reasonable prices and they never get boring. I personally like new games the most but there are alot of older games that i hope to own someday as well, even EM's.

There are some older games that i want badly in my collection but thats down the road for now.