Quoted from Damonator:

I *hate* China and the trillions of dollars of IC that they have stolen from the US and other countries. They commit every atrocity known to man and the rest of the world turns a blind eye. It’s disgusting.
*note - I hold no ill will towards the *people* of China. My sentiment is towards the Chinese government.

Quoted from PinMonk:

Apple is moving production out of China and into SE Asia, little by little. They see where things are headed and want to not have manufacture concentrated in an increasingly hostile power as it continues to get worse due to Xi's paranoia and new nationalism.

Quoted from zarco:

As is often the case, history provides an insight. Remember back in the 1960's when everything coming
from Japan was considered cheap junk? Now take a look at the mix of cars on the road in the USA.
China is a MUCH larger country with FAR more resources. Human and natural. They can dominate any
market they choose to.
Take a look at tools, Harbor Freight being one small example. Also electronic test equipment and
radios of all sorts.
Will some enterprising factory owner or investor who likes pins in China start offering competetive
products? Time will tell but IMO, don't be too dismissive of the possibility
Steve

Quoted from pins4u:

Hahaha, this is so INCORRECT you couldn't be more wrong!
Wages have gone through the roof, workers rights are seriously protected, in some cases FAR better than in the west.
As a single example, maternity leave has just been increased from 8 months to one year FULLY PAID by the EMPLOYER, not the Government! On top of the year off, an employer cannot, sack, demote or reduce wages to a returning woman after her year off, fully paid with all benefits for a further TWO YEARS!
I have plenty of other real world examples that I have personally experienced (and in some cases paid for) just like the maternity one.
Please tell me ANY other country where workers "rights" are protected to this level?
Please stop talking crap about things you prove you have zero knowledge about and are relying on biased media reporting that is just so wrong. The media are the ones who should be locked up!

Quoted from pins4u:

Why be a smartarse - commenting on something you obviously have zero knowledge of? If you don't know then how about just don't comment?
I know from first hand, personal experience exactly what goes on when you hire Chinese factory workers - do you? Pfttt....thought not.

Quoted from Obed_Marsh:

Is it perfect? Definitely not. Does it have some isolated as well as systemic issues? Definitely yes. The US does as well. Have you ever been to China or talked to someone from China? Are the only sources you have looked at from western countries.
I'll admit my view of China was way off until I went there myself. There is certainly poverty there; albeit mostly rural whereas ours is mostly urban. A city like Shanghai is a world class city on par or surpassing the vast majority of the world. They have amazing Infrastructure. For instance most airports at least for.major cities make the us look like a 3rd world country .
I've been to China many times and married to a Chinese woman. My in laws in China were blue collar workers. are retired with pensions in their early 50s. That would be very rare to happen here.
Once again China has significant issues and is by no means perfect, but it gets old everything the topic comes up with Americans and it is abundantly obvious they are just parroting the western "common knowledge" which is by in large propaganda and half truths

Quoted from Obed_Marsh:

I'm not saying trust me, but look at balanced sources at least. There is a LOT of ridiculous anti china propaganda out there. They are the main geopolitical rival of the western world, yet the western world is reliant on them economically. That makes for a tense situation, and a lot of propaganda on both sides..
It would be like someome thinking they have an accurate and balanced view of the US by watching nothing but Russian or Chinese sources. Would that be a fair view? Probably not.

Quoted from trueno92:

I did remind them that freedom in north america is just a term thats directly related to income.

Quoted from OLDPINGUY:

Its funny, when I was developing LEDs in China, Taiwan, and Malaysia, my contacts had no idea what a Pinball Machine
was.
I sent pictures, which was replied with, "OK" but no working knowledge.
For China, it took my rep around 3 months to find a friend that would give her access to US Internet. (illegaly)
She finally saw some videos!!
All of a sudden, many of the projects we were working on made more sense.
Playing a game for points, with keeping a ball active, and responding to mechs, lights and sounds, could not surpass
how they saw Pachinko, the advanced crazy versions, or one ball type Bingo.
The view was more to shoot, watch, reward.
The time spent playing pinball was confusing too.
This was accompanied by not understanding why their was no immediate financial or product reward.
Their games, constituted more "gambling" aspects.