Just curious as to why you have these intentionally misleading pictures? I mean I guess I understand the "why" but it's not cool IMO and shady practice.

I play in a blacked out basement with my lights off, and I can tell you (and anyone who owns GZ can also tell you) that my GZ looks absolutely NOTHING like that when I am playing in a pitch black basement.

Here is what it actually looks like in a pitch black basement.

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I'm not discrediting his product. Please show me where I said his product was bad. I simply asked about his misleading photos.

Even after his explanation, it still doesn't address the issue of the misleading photos. It's just more sales talk trying to talk up his product.

I also understand what is involved in installing spotlights, as those pictures I posted are mine and I installed them. I was debating posting the "after" shots, but I've also now attached the "before" photos without any spotlights installed, nor trough light nor starpost lights (which were installed for atmosphere more so than actual light). And again, it still looks nothing like your before pictures. It's just GZ in attract mode and right after it starts.

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I honestly don't even think the photos I posted do it justice - it looks "brighter" in person, not darker.

Again, I'm not saying ANYTHING at all about your product. I'm sure it is awesome and looks great. I'm asking about the misleading photos for your "before" installation pictures, because the games don't look anything like that from the factory. And because of your misleading before photos, it makes me wonder how "true/real" your after photos are.

I can tell you before I got my very first pin last year, Jurassic Park, I came across your lighting solution and thought it looked awesome. And then I saw your before/after pics of the pin stadium lights, again, before ever owning the machine while still trying to find one and it was super intriguing because I knew I was going to play in a fully dark room. I purchased quite a few mods before ever owning the machine and was on the fence about buying them but I held off due to price and wanted to see how it looked stock first.

Then I got my pin and played in a super dark room and was like wait a minute, it looks NOTHING those pictures. If that is the case, then the after photos are also probably staged and not true. I've never seen them in person though and can't comment on them due to that, but me personally, there is just no way I'd ever purchase them without seeing them in person first because I simply don't trust the pictures on the website, and as you even mentioned, lighting is very hard to come across over pictures.

So yeah, once again, I'm not knocking your product at all, just letting you know that the non realistic before pics are a bit shady of a practice IMO and very misleading. Sure maybe I'm the only one who thinks so but maybe not.

No one is getting bent out of shape. I was just calling him out and asking him why the shady practice of showing clearly doctored/staged photos to look very specific ways. It just leads to an immediate mistrust of the company. He keeps dodging the question/topic about it too and keeps posting the clearly doctored/staged photos after it was brought up.

I would much prefer true photos like the ones you posted. Anyone now a days knows that getting lighting in pics is hard to do properly but the ones you post clearly are "real". And most people now a days also can tell that the pics he is posting are not "real". There is clearly a difference in your before/after pics and you get a much better idea of how the lights actually work with your pics versus the clearly photoshopped before/after pics where the color saturation in the after pics is obviously brought up higher. It's like that in every single pic, including the one a few posts above that shows multiple pins in the lineup. And the over saturation of color looks awful in every one of those pics.

Posting pics like yours as the real comparison photos for the company would show some sort of trust with the company. But to be lied to immediately as soon as you go to the website, yeah that is an immediate turn off. It's basically the company telling the potential customer that they think we are stupid. Yeah no thanks.

And again, I'm not saying ANYTHING about the actual product as I've never seen it in person.

The problem is, his "before" pics are not even close to being indicative of what the game looks like with factory game lights in the dark. I know because I own JP and GZ and play both of them in a blacked out basement with no other lights on, and my game looks absolutely NOTHING like the before pics. I posted a pic of my GZ (before I added my spot lights) in this thread. You can see it looks nothing like his pic.

Here is what his pic looks like:

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And here is what it ACTUALLY looks like, which is very similar to the "before" pic the other guy posted above. Again, this is taken in blacked out basement.

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It's clearly intentional and misleading.