Wow, I didn't realize this was not connected to the GI or that it had a separate on/off power.

I just ordered one of these kits last week, and frankly might have re-thought that if I knew these things. The separate on/off is annoying but not a deal-killer. Could this be wired to a 12V power source instead of powered by an always-on outlet?

The major downer is this not being connected to the GI. If the GI turns off, this NEEDS to turn off as well. Is that something in the plans for future versions? If it is not / will not be part of kits ordered in this first batch, is it possible to get out of my order? Before I would cancel my order, I would want to confirm how much GI dimming is in my game, but as a general kit, this seems like a must-have feature for games with controlled GI.

Agree with all the comments about adding the GI feature. This really should be something incorporated into the default design since they have not been produced yet. Why would you NOT want this to mimic any controlled GI?

So, what's the status on these? I ordered 3 weeks ago with the "mandatory pre-orders are almost sold out" and as of a week ago they still were not. I get the "they're filling fast" as a method to try and bump sales, but given you've said there's an 8-10 week lag time from when pre-orders fill, that's looking like I might be waiting until July or August for something I paid for at the beginning of April.

Any updates?

I asked for a status which doesn't seem like a lot to ask when I pre-paid 3 weeks ago under the impression the initial batch was almost sold out. Not insinuating anything, just trying to understand where things sit.

Apparently not.

Good to hear! What is the current status of being controlled by in-game GI? Are you looking to include this or not? I'm not sure where things landed on this issue.

Can I get an opinion from an objective source about this kit as it relates to the flasher aspect?

I get that these light the playfield really well. I have a set on order for Rob Zombie. The thing is, Rob Zombie has an underwhelming flasher light show, so I'm not worried about losing anything there.

For other games that have an impressive flasher light show, does all the extra light diminish the impact of the light show? I have a Starship Troopers, which has an amazing flasher light show! I've been thinking about installing this kit with the UV option since there is a lot of reactive orange on the playfield, but I'm concerned that all the extra light and flashers will take away from the Red/Yellow/Green/Blue flasher effects in the game right now.

No offense to the OP, but I know he thinks this kit will look good in all applications. Does anyone without a vested interest have experience seeing this kit in person installed in a game that has a dynamic flasher light show?

While I appreciate you providing options, frankly if I wanted an always on UV lighting source, I would get the Pinball Refinery UV kit for about 1/3 of your price. The whole reason I paid extra for your kit was the more normalized lighting and UV only in flashes, not a constant UV washout.

I got no email either.

Do these kits work in early 80s Ballys? They are all pretty much too dark to play in a completely dark room and switching to LEDs only compounds the problem. Spotlights look really out of place in these games, so the lighting options are limited. These are pre-flashers, so the flasher option might not be usable, but at least the general lighting part could be helpful if they're compatible. I have 10 games from this era, so it would be nice to know if they work.

Was this kit supposed to come with any installation instructions? I'm sure it's quick and easy, but mine arrived with absolutely no documentation and I'm not sure how I'm supposed to connect any of it. I didn't see anything on the website either.

I just picked up a kit for RZ too. What settings did you use for the color? Did you tie the flash into the purple flasher? Finally, are you saying that the flash polarity matters (works one way but not the other)?

I have this kit in Rob Zombie and it looks great. The color options are cool too. My question / concern is with other games I might put it in. With the RGB + White lighting, the White is warm White. This worked fine for RZ because the prescribed color tone was Red. In *almost* all my other games where I've switched to LEDs, I slant toward cool/natural White and gone away from the warm.

I can get cool White from the RGB, but typically you would supplement using the additional white slider to wash out / brighten the game. If I want a game to have cool White lighting, can I get the kit with cool instead of warm White? Or am I missing something with configuring this?

For example, a game like Bride of Pinbot, I've gone totally cool white with a little blue in the GI. I don't want any warm in that. Similarly, I want to try this kit in Centaur. That Black & White playfield needs cool, not warm.

Thoughts?

Can the flasher option be triggered by connecting to a switch instead? I was thinking it might be cool to connect it to a spinner.

I was thinking for some 80s Bally games. They don't have flashers and I'd have to see if any of the ones I'm thinking have associated lights (but I don't think so).

Did I read somewhere that you are working on the ability to customize the Flash color in a similar way as changing the GI color now? If so, would this work with the current hardware?

About to install one of these into a STTNG, but I've seen lots of reports of it blowing fuses when added to a game with a ColorDMD, which mine has. Any recommendations on how to safely and reliably add this to a ColorDMD STTNG?

This means PinStadium DOES NOT power on/off with the game, correct? You plug it / unplug it every time you want to use it, right?

Is this a realistic possibility? I like the UV on some games, but in others it just doesn't fit. Part of the awesomeness of PinStadium is the versatility of being able to customize and move between games. Would be great if this included the flasher as well.

Is this currently a limitation of the hardware or the app software? Are the flashers currently used RGB to where an app upgrade could produce this, or would this concept need new LED hardware? I could have sworn I saw you comment back at the beginning that adjustable flasher color was on the horizon, but have not heard anything about it since.

This is a game where I'm really torn what to do. I get purple, because it's sort of a space theme, but a warm white fits the Egyptian theme. Obviously for GI this can be changed with the app, but the flasher color is the question. I really LOVE the white flashers in this game during Sandstorm, which makes me consider getting white flashers on a PinStadium, but I hate locking myself into a color I might not want on another game if I ever wanted to move it. Just not sure if I want UV+Glow in this game...I definitely don't think it goes with every theme.

I get your point of not wanting UV on everything (I don't either), and I definitely feel there are games where that doesn't really fit the theme/colors. That said, I think the UV looks pretty cool on SS.

They both have that orange in the playfield that lights up with the UV. Don't know how I would like green, I guess it depends on how much it flashes (based on what you hook it to). This dilemma is exactly why I wish the flashers had the same customizability as the GI lights.

Meteorological fall begins tomorrow...just sayin'.

Couldn't agree more. I have several PinStadiums, with plans to get more. I may even like whatever this belt thing turns out to be, but there is seriously NO CHANCE it could live up to the hype. The slowly opening door and a daily screenshot of the countdown clock? Seriously? There's building hype, and then there's beating it to death. I'm not trying to be a dick, and I don't mean any offense to Scott (who has proven he's a good and helpful guy), but I've seriously considered draining this entire thread because I can't take another announcement about the announcement.

Just a suggestion, if you're that sure these are going to sell out almost immediately, there's no need to beat us all over the head with the hype leading up to the release.

All the hype and nobody even knows what the new thing is. Less hyperbole and more descriptions would have been good.

I guess it's flashers you control the color of through the app, which is what we've been asking for since the beginning. If it's more than that, I missed it too.

And PinStadium just jumped the shark...

I'm guessing you could leave off $50 from the original flashers since the new module is $260 of dedicated flashers, but the new module probably doesn't even do UV. Either way, $500+ for lighting?!?

I've been hoping for color adjustable flashers from the beginning, I never dreamed it would come in the form of a $260 upgrade.

Most people don't even understand what this does, as in what they will experience while playing a game. But every time someone asks about it, you keep talking about how big the board is, that there are buttons, and explaining how someone can program it.

You're too close to this. You need to step back and understand that most people reading this don't know what your product does. It's way too early to try and teach people HOW to do things when nobody even knows WHAT it does.

Tons of posts about the original PinStadium were regarding where to hook up the (single) flasher so it wasn't overkill by going off too often. How in the world is 4x connections not going to be beyond over the top? I can't imagine I'm going to want this. Scott kept promising some day we'd have a color-adjustable flasher option. Too bad it only comes in SUPER BLING mode and with a $260 price tag. I was 100% in for a single color-adjustable flasher option. Too bad it doesn't look like we'll get a reasonable option to accomplish that.

So can I assume that Orion's Belt has eliminated the possibility of a single color-adjustable flasher option? Having 4 (really 5) trigger points is WAY too over the top for me. Many people have wanted to be able to color adjust the original PinStadium flasher. I'll be really disappointed if the only way to do that is by buying an excessive add-on.

Umm...so I should take that as "correct we will not have a single color-adjustable flasher option" right?

Scott, you're a good guy and you have been extremely helpful with support issues to me and others, but please...

To suggest the only realistic way to add color-adjustable flashers to PinStadium is a $260 four-input solution is just upsell hyperbole. Whatever. I still have some original PS that I intend to buy down the road. Until then I will politely bow out of this thread.

Not to pile on, but TRUTH! I run a company that creates online training, and the robot-ware posing as training / installation guides make my head want to explode. Scott seems nice and helpful enough, but too often he can't get out of his own way. So much hyperbole, so many robots, and near-constant cheesy marketing.

Scott, I'm not trying to be a dick, but I think EVERYONE would be a lot happier if you could tone it down a notch. Install guides don't need robots and weird special effects. Everything else doesn't need to be "Hurry before they sell out!" Which is actually standard language on your website, by the way. No offense, but it comes off like a used car salesman asking everyone "What do I need to do to get you into this PinStadium...TODAY?!?" You have a high-end product. You don't need to come off like you're trying so hard. Just some friendly advice.

What's the status on the diffuser? I've gotten to the point where the rainbow light reflections are really grating on me. I have a few uninstalled sets of PS waiting for this feature.

Because $50 for a mounting system wasn't enough. This is the slot where you attach the additional $50 attachments.

I have to say, I've gotten pretty salty about what a cash grab these have turned into. They were always a high-end mod, that's fine. I've bought several and had plans to buy many more. But the nickel and diming (or rather $20 and $50ing) has gotten out of hand. I appreciate someone getting paid for their work. But the margins on these are INSANE! If new features got incorporated back into the main product with a modest price increase, and a reasonable fee was charged to add them to existing products, that would feel fair. To come out with features that EVERYONE wants (like not having to remove the lights when raising the playfield, or eliminating the nasty candy-striping), but not putting them in the base product "so that people have options" is purely money motivated.

Scott seems like a really nice guy, but it's becoming increasingly easy to see why Scott / Pinstadiums are so polarizing.

You don't like how I run may sale? Poof...no more sale.

I was one of the original Pin Stadium buyers. I was on the original waiting list and put a set in Rob Zombie. Never has a game needed something like this more than RZ. Overall, I think some games could use these, and some don't need them. So, I ordered a couple more sets a while back.

I was originally a defender of Scott and didn't understand why people ragged on him so bad. I chalked it up to being all the old men that still like incandescent bulbs. Just because 75% of LED / Pin Stadium users overdo it and make their games look like shit, doesn't mean the product can't produce great results when used correctly.

All that said, Scott's behavior over the last while has so turned me off, I can't see myself ever buying his products again, and I can no longer try and defend his actions. As much as Whysnow wants to say the product is shit, it isn't. It's a quality product, with shortcomings (ex. candy-striping). That said, the margins are INSANE and the tactic of making everything a $40+ add-on is insulting.

However, the real final straw has been the "marketing" he's doing. Blatant over-linking of his ads, denial that he can do anything about it, and constant spamming of this thread to try and keep it higher in the results than the Pin Stadium pitchfork thread. Scott claimed in this thread (over a month ago) that the over-saturation is a "normal" part of the new ad process, and not anything he can control. BS! I'm done with this product.

For any of the devoted Pin Stadium people reading this, I have 2 unopened, unused sets of Pin Stadiums with UV+Glow that I'll sell. PM if interested.

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