Quoted from Toasterdog:Any plan to offer a version with some type of diffuser that would hide the indivdual LEDs?
My gripes. These are on the expensive side and I don’t like the individual lights reflecting when watching from the side.
Conclusion. Still really impressed. I didn’t think I needed these, but after installing on my SMVE, it’s the only game I want to play. I can’t believe how dark GB and TWD look next to it. I have good site and all my games have Invisiglass too, but I play in a dark room.
Choosing a flasher to piggyback is important. I found Venom flasher on SM to be perfect blend of flasher action. I will get some pics posted shortly.
My non pinball friend that plays with me once a week was in complete awe.
When I have some extra cash I will more than likely buy for my TWD too.
Thank you for your feedback and suggestions, much appreciated! I tested out diffusers extensively on them (because I was thinking the same as your suggestion at first) and it was decided that it was best to leave them off due to the fact that they did several things that were not beneficial. They decreased the brightness, color cast mixing, the throw distance of the light(caused some dark areas in portions of the playfield that went away when they were removed), and in addition in between the LED lights it created a solid line(which meant more potential reflecting light). This is also what specifically affected the color cast mixing/brightness as it pulled the color down through and across the diffuser material and did not direct the light out towards the playfield nearly as efficiently. Also once the diffuser was removed it allowed for dark areas in between the LED chips which made them much less prominent to the eye and decrease dramatically any potentiel reflections. Having the diffuser was sort of like having a fluorescent tube all of the way down side of your machine, it was not attractive.
In addition the shield also cause heat build up on the LED board itself and would not allow it to release to the atmosphere very well at all. As a result it raised the LED chip temperature (I measure this) a great deal which meant it affected its performance and would have decreased the life of the LED's. It even burnt out some LED chips (after a few weeks) during that process when I was in the very early stages of using off the shelf LED strips in the prototype development phases of the Pin Stadium lighting system prior to it's production launch. Homemade poor man versions didn't cut it and they did not have the features needed to deliver the quality impact I was going for, and after a couple weeks or month or two they stopped working or fell off into the playfield(yikes). This was prior to me even knowing that other collectors would want these for their machines since I originally designed them just for my collection for fun.
As far as cost, a lot of work goes into these to build them and they are all made here by Pin Stadium. Every build process and step is done in house, and even the LED's that are used are custom PCB and LED chips that were designed by Pin Stadium and custom engineered/manufactured for this specific application and for the kits. This was not cheap for sure and the extra time, effort, and cost is way worth it. They are manufactured to specs that are above and beyond and this is due to the fact that I have background in working with these in multiple lighting applications for corporate and entertainment purposes so I am very particular about this aspect. I wanted the best for my machines and would only want the same for yours too. You can take a look at my Pinside collection to see what machines these were made for and are going on. It's a lot of hard work to build these things and every part of the Pin Stadiums are custom made: light bars, GI Module, Magna-Mounts, LEDs, PCBs, ribbon cables, UV+Glow flashers, flasher integration circuit, GI/Flasher harnesses, and plug and play power adapters. The only things that are off the shelf are the installation accessories packet that is included with each kit: alcohol wipes, wire taps, ribbon cable guides, etc.
This is all what goes into these and is what makes the effect you see so much more visually pleasing while also allowing these to last the life of the pinball machine with the solid state circuitry. I hope this helps to explain that portion better as these were all very good questions. I appreciate the opportunity to detail this to everyone considering them or that has them currently so you know what you have sitting under your glass. It has taken my full time job of being an app and website developer to this, and it's insane crazy busy. However what makes it worth it is all of the smiles I see and hear of when people install the Pin Stadiums on their machines(new and old) and the playfields come alive!
Most recently Dwight Sullivan came over to check them out on a customer's AFMR machine and the customer told me that he was literally floored with the results and that the app sealed the deal. He said that Dwight asked him if they were compatible with his Stern Star Wars (which they are and I am guessing he has an LE ). That was such a cool thing to hear and made me smile since I have enjoyed his machines so much in this pinball collecting hobby of mine over the years.
Also regarding your Spiderman, I installed them on that machine and found the Venom flasher to be the best option also for the effect of the UV+Glow flasher option. I am glad that you love them and that even you non-pinball friends were impressed. The problem I see with Pin Stadiums is that once you get one and put it next to any machine without them it makes you want to get them for that pinball too. This happens to me personally when I add a new machine to my collection (recently Dialed In, Hobbit, AC/DC Premium Vault) and when GOTG LE arrives this week that will be instantly getting a set.
I still get just as excited as I did for my first working set that was installed. Just for the record I put any "seconds" quality ones that were pulled from production to put them in my machines as to not take from any customers. I don't mind since it's usually something small that bothered me about them and I didn't want them to go out to ship. So you better believe I scan good and hard for something that just doesn't seem right.
Scott
Pin Stadium
www.pinstadium.com