You can use one on each end as that will work and they blend nice and then the middle of for extra support(suggested) but you don’t have to. If not then you can move the 2 Hovers strategically as they were designed for this.

When 3D modeled them they were created to be crazy super versatile and need to be for these very reasons you mentioned. They are very slim and low profile, they raise and lower to any height. Also the top light bar clip pivots and locks to any angle.

They this means is that no matter when you mount them you will be able to get them flush (and I mean flush) like the Magna-Mounts.

Even the base has a sneaky little arch in it which allows you to creep them in locations where there are ramps or objects right next to the side of the cabinet wall.

I tried to think of everything and during many months of testing all I did was try to find a machine and location that could stump my design. Hence how many iterations I had which I counted over 60-75 designs on each section of then. A little overkill. It you will appreciate it and see exactly what I mean.

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Scott
Pin Stadium
www.pinstadium.com

Sorry your not sorry! Haha. Actually you were not the only one and I knew I made a mistake of publishing then when my order and shipping software started going crazy. Somehow knew you would be one of the first. That’s awesome and it cracked me up.

So much for all of the planning and launch timing. You guys were like “just get the darn things listed so we can get them”

A few had mentioned they could not find the Hovers to purchase. It was in the original post but a little buried. Here it is again:

Order here: https://pinstadium.com/product/hover/

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It is only going to be 3-4 weeks but likely much sooner though. Also many have asked about the BLUR and that is to come once I get enough Hovers out there on machines then I will deploy the BLUR in perfect timing as I finalize those. So basically it’s going towards a good cause when you order the Hovers now as I have this scheduled out from a manufacturing standpoint since I’m a one man show. You guys can speed this up tremendously if you keep ordering these Hovers at the rate you are already. Don't be shy, lol!! Maybe I will start a BLUR meter that shows how many we need to reach our goal.

So funny and not intentional by any means lol. When you read the Hover announcement post you will see it was all due to super excited customers that caught me posting up what should have been a "Draft" for the shopping cart. It went live for just a few minutes and then I had to keep it up after orders came in. Cracked me up and I said to myself that it was clearly a sign to go "Live" with them.

Thank you for your order too!!

Thank this man for hovering over the Hovers Can't get anything past you apparently. Love it!!!

You don't need to remove them from the light bars, they can stay there just fine.

Thank you for your order also and I will be posting up install instructions shortly by the time you have them they will be up. The base simply 3M's on the side of the playfield and then you just slide the top of the Hover's clip on the light bar and you are done!!!

I am very appreciative of you saying all of that and it is good to know that the quality and support I provide are there to back the performance of the products. This is all that I do and am passionate about it. I want to do it the best I can so you all are pleased with them and maybe even a little more. I'm continually taking in all feedback to make more options, innovations, and solutions to work with the existing line of Pin Stadiums products. I feel it's the best thing to do so that you all can feel confident with your purchase and that it puts a smile on your face. That's what really matters and everyone has been so supporting beyond my expectations by far. Thank you again !!!!

By default the Pin Stadiums will still come with the HD Magna-Mounts included as usual and then the Hovers will be available separately as an add-on. This way you have the option to get the Pin Stadiums at the normal price as they are now versus me building the Hover price into it automatically. I know that most everyone going forward will go with the Hovers, but I want to keep giving everyone as many options as possible.

Just saw your order come in and yes we could remount and clean that area so they will get a good bond. But now you are heading to the next level with the Hovers.

Also, yes there are tons of places to mount them on any machine and particularly ST!! Thanks for your order and I’m excited for you to get these in your hands.

I have had a few very excited customers ask for me to send their Hovers right away when they are ready which I will, but they are going out in the order received. I can’t jump the line

The line is getting rather large now but no worries I can handle it. Thanks again everyone for being so supportive.

If anyone is own the fence about Hovers, don’t be. You will never go back once you get them.

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Scott
Pin Stadium
www.pinstadium.com

That is a tough call as to which machine as they are both very impressive. But if we had to choose based upon G.I. illumination results the artwork on BKLE is much darker so I would go that direction and you have an upper playfield to light up too.

I have tested them with the Magna-Mounts and it works but it’s much cleaner and less stress in the Hovers if you remove them. It’s super simple, you just apply a little heat with a hair dryer and they come right off.

Full disclosure I don’t use heat and simply peel them off without it just fine especially on newer Pingraffix artblades etc since they are very durable but older paper thin ones use heat.

But I’m brave it’s my machines and also have done it many many times during testing. However on an older machine where the Magna-Mounts are applied directly to the wood of the cabinet then you should use heat. Mirrors blades usually need a little bit of assistance and rubbing alcohol to clean up the adhesive but it’s easy.

Again you can try it with the mounts if you want to but just keep an eye out on the forces on the Hover. Whenever possible just remove them really.

Let's move the Left Ramp to the Shaker motor as that is always a great place and move the moat to the left or right castle flashers which is on the back of the machine on either side of the castle. Those are really good locations and go off during the castle blow up. Let me know how it goes and shoot me an email at [email protected]

Live now is FlipNout Pinball with a BUNCH of guess stars and Franchi is in chat too. Jump on now! They have a BKSOR LE with Pin Stadiums in action too.

https://www.twitch.tv/flipnoutpinball

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So the biggest thing about the Hover's is it literally makes your Pin Stadiums feel like that factory feature. Pin Stadiums become "one" with the machine!!

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For anyone that missed the stream check it out here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/435965335?t=01s

I just sent the official email blast out to all of the Pin Stadium customers. A few have asked me to ship them ahead of time if I can but they are all going to go out in the order received to keep it fair. So if you are on the fence about getting them, then today would be the day to order them as a lot of orders are coming in for them now that I sent the official announcements. Not as many track this thread as you would think lol!!

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Scott
Pin Stadium
www.pinstadium.com

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This is the kind of feedback I appreciate and it makes total sense to do this. When I am in the inside looking out and then get these great suggestions it helps tremendously.

I agree it’s not safe to assume that everyone follows the posts and if all information was included on the website it would definitely make things a lot easier to make a decision to purchase.

I’m already making some updates as we speak and have made some since I read this post thank you.

I’m working on a video now that will show specific features/engineering design of the Hovers along with how they work.

To answer your questions:

The Hover item on the website includes 6x Hovers for each pinball machine
The Magna-Mounts are sold in pairs
Orion's Belt is a separate set of light bars that mounts just under the Pin Stadiums and they provide 4x Wifi controllable flashers

Thanks!!

Okay here you go more details on the features of the Hover, how they mount, and what they do exactly. Also demonstrates the engineering that I put into them to make them work on any machine. Here is the link to order them: https://pinstadium.com/product/hover/

The UV+Glow flashers are controlled by the pinball machine and that’s inherent in the design of the Pin Stadiums. The Orion’s Belt is the next generation level the furthers that extends this capability to the app with the multiple colors and triggers. The flashers are driven by the pinball machine and the brightness is determined by how the machine pulses them.

The general rule is that if the pulse is short and fast then the characteristic behavior of the LED is to load fast and then fade quickly thus resulting in a bright flash. In the scenario that the pulse is slow then the effect is more of a softer glow. Different machines pulse differently and inside of those machines each flasher is controlled uniquely too.

I always suggest moving it around to one that you feel is appropriate for your tastes. Most find after a couple days of installing the Pin Stadiums they get acclimated to the brightness of the UV+Glow too.

There is a lot of coding that was put into the Orion’s Belt (built into the Fusion too) that takes into consideration an advance sequencing system in order to eliminate bleeding of colors which was something I ran into during the early development of the Orion’s Belt before was released to the public. In fact this is why it took so long..

Basically it’s a matter of 2 or more triggers firing at the same time a certain band of of colors. So for example a red and green fires it creates quite an eye sore that is undesirable. Which then falls into sequencing too. So if you have multiple events (flashers) that trigger back to back then you will get some very unfortunate merging of colors that will ruin the colors of the artwork during game play.

So the way I have the Orion’s Belt programmed it gives you clean and crispy event definition along with full spectrum non blended color (which you don’t want by any means possible). It’s super complicated but the short of it is if I did it any other way then you would be very unhappy with what would have occurred at all times and you wouldn’t know what shot you hit and what flasher was doing what. It would be very confusing.

The software coding I did tightens up the experience to give a clean factory effect with brilliant colors while retaining factory definable events.

What you are running into can be resolved with changing the colors of the OB flashers to coincide with what you feel is appealing. I imagine that you are seeing a Red fire at the same time the UV+Glow goes off which is a perfect example of why it is important to be able to program the flashers on Orion’s Belt to a coordinating color through the app.

I would suggest changing the Red to a Blue, purple, or white which all are very complimentary colors to the UV+Glow light frequency spectrum.

An alternative would be to move the UV+Glow trigger to another location if you are happy with the other colors.

When in doubt as to what color you should choose, the Diamond White is “always” a safe bet with positively impressive results

A specific note about the BKSOR flasher panels On the upper playfield that you are triggering from. It appears as though there needs to be some improvement with the way those are sequenced through code for the lighting m. Right now they do exactly what I was talking about when certain colors fire together they are not sequenced properly and I think that with code this will be corrected in improved. Watch it closely and you will see some random colors during together.

The upper playfield coding on BKSOR in early stages and apparently the light show at certain times is in its infancy stage from the factory too. I am sure this will be corrected but in the meantime the good news is you have the power to do this with the Pin Stadium app and the flashers from the Orion‘s Belt but it may take a little bit more time and experimentation on your end.

It’s a bit of an art form and this is why I would appreciate if you post up what your results are and where you ended up going with this is this may help others. I will continue to do the same here.

I think if you just change the red flasher to a white blue or purple you will be a much happier camper in those moments that may not seem right to you. Because I have the machine and saw this occur.

You have a lot of power and flexibility in your hands but with great power comes great responsibility right? Lol

Keep me posted and I hope this explanation helps.

As far as what method is used to mount it:

At the base of the Hovers is high quality extra bond 3M (the grey kind with red backing. The good stuff that will hold a 5lbs weight to the outside of a brick wall

In regards to the location:

If you take a look at the sides of any playfield on any pinball machine you will see a that there is a 1/2” raised wood channel running from the front to back down the length of the playfield. It sits right next to the vertical sidewall. In many cases they will mount on top of the plastic of it sits on the wood. No problem at all and that is where the vertical telescoping feature lets you dial them in. And if for any reason you need to move up down the length of the side of the machine the repositionable swivel looking light bar clip will let you do it wherever you like.

This so where you will deploy the Hovers at your discretion depending on any ramps, toys or playfield objects. The general rule is one in the front at the end of the Pin Stadium it Fusion light bars (Mount theM 1/4” in the from the end to be safe) and the same on the back about 1/4” from where the ribbon cables meet the light bar. If something is there and seems in the way it usually is because the hovers will fit in very nicely in the tightest spots that you wouldn’t even imagine.

Even the base of them has a radiused section that allows you to slip them in very tight spots. Even when a ramp is right next to the cabinet walk they fit.

Then somewhere in between those two I recommend installing the 3rd Hover for added support. These things are built like tanks but slither in the darkest of places.

I promise to continue to post up videos and pictures as they become available to help everyone. By the time these ship there will be full instructions updated on the website also. Very easy to follow and simple to do with virtually no skills or experience required. Just peel off the adhesive backing and mount, done!!

Here is a zoomed in pic of one on GOTG I posted earlier but this is a close up as it’s hard to see otherwise. This is a great example of a plastic sitting on top of the wood too.
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If you take a close look on the last video I posted with the CAD design and animation, take a look at the very bottom of the base and you will see that “sneak in” arch I built into it. That allows you to safely slide it into places you would never have imagined possible. Start peaking around your playfield and you will see what I mean. If you say to yourself “This is so tight there is no way it will fit” then just know that this arch lets you do it.

This was the most challenging and difficult puzzle for me to decode. Hence the time it took to release. But it’s ready and firing on all cylinders promise.

Yes good call you saw them in person for yourself that’s right. I went down and snapped a pic so you guys can see.

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Here is another angle also

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Even better look I’m the back of Iron Man on the right side ramp. This is one of those perfect examples of how tight of areas the Hovers can be mounted.

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Player’s perspective view (this is the most important view haha)

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While we are at it let’s just document this whole thing now Here is one of the most important built in features benefits of the Hover. The accessories add-on port is where the green arrow is pointing. Many things can go there in the future and to start we all know what’s next.

Unlocking a whole new world of expansion products right here. Weight distribution is no longer a limitation if you know what I mean. This is huge!! This alone is worth its weight in gold.

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