Its amazing how Scott handles the real trolls in this thread. He answers back politely and with a calmness that you dont often see when haters start to hate. Some people throwing so much negativity in his direction for designing and perfecting undoubtebly the best universal mod for their pins.
I mean really?
Bravo to you Scott! Keep up the great work... and try to get some sleep will ya?

Must agree. Scott follows the kill them with kindness route. You can’t please everyone but some just Need to let everyone know how they feel for some reason. As if Scott was a psychiatrist lol.

I literally told him this over the phone today. He is extremely professional. No excuse for some people to talk to him the way they do. He is a great talented guy that respects this community.

Has anyone installed these on a earlier ss game? I have a kings of steel that now seems pitch black compared to all of my other machines with pinstadiums installed.

I played a game with the pinstadium lights on, and off.
It was much nicer to see everything with the lights on. They lights were white, no idea the intensity.
That's my single anecdote.

...so if I want ALL my flashers hooked up to Orion's Belt I need 2.5X Orion's Belts installed. I see what you did there...

Troll....plain and simple.

Looking forward to see your new "Orion's Belt" product in action after hearing about it on the latest Head2Head podcast! I found your YouTube video for it, but that is more annoying to view than informative unfortunately.

Then the thread really should include that. I saw the title and a crap ton of post and throught it was another product announcement thread vs a "club" thread. No issues either way but if constructive feedback isn't welcomed then I kind of wish I didn't just waste 30 mins of time reading through the thread

Yes, I know, what was said could be argued as not constructive. I like the concept of pin-stadium lights and have seen a couple games with them which looked nice. Realized I'm more traditional than I thought so haven't bought any. I saw this "Orion's Belt" and was curious as to what it was and if maybe it was something I would be interested in. Being I'm pretty sensitive to bright flashing while trying to follow a ball this isn't for me either. I like the concept of adding additional flashers in periodic places of the games to bring them out.

And so I don't feel like I wasted all that time completely. Here is my feedback, which is hopefully taken as constructive due to the thread it's placed in. My suggestion would be to allow incorporation into more flashers for those that want a product like this. At this price point being limited to only 4 seems like a restriction. Those buying this kit want to go extreme and limited to 4 isn't real extreme for a lot of the newer games. That would help it stand out more from the matrix solution where you can get a light strip, connect it to a flasher and adhere it to the bottom of the pinstadium lights and get close to the same effect for much cheaper. The benefit here is being able to change the color. Add more inputs and I think you'll have more success.

Wow I think someone just said 4 flashers was not enough. If you have a set of pinstadiums with orions belt that would be 5 flashers. All triggered by different points on the game. I'm pretty sure that would be one hell of a statement. Could you think of more then 5 different colors you would want on your game flashing? Pretty sure Scott has done the math and figured this is as extreme as you should go. Can't wait for all of the diagrams that Scott will be putting on his website for trigger points and game specific color configurations. He was telling me some suggestions on a few games I feel would look amazing with Orions belt and pinstadiums. This product may take some showing off to see all of its advantages. But I do see his vision and I think people are going to be blown away when they see this product and all of its glory.

Any suggestions where I should hook up flasher on whirlwind? Thanks guys.

It's not an equation on number of colors. It's more on number of locations that integrate into the game. For me, the only game in my collection that going to this extreme would make any sort of sense, for me, would be my Tron LE.

Tron:
- left Ramp
- Right Ramp
- Back Panel
- Left Disc light (Blue)
- Right Disc Light (Red)
- Disc (white)
- Scoop

Plus some people may want to incorporate this into a coil vs a flasher (if that was possible). Being able to incorporate this into that methodology would open up his buyers market as well and create a bit of a niche. Another thing would be if the LED's were addressable. I.E. The Left Disc above only flashed the left side and the Right disc above only flashed the right side. One of the cool features of flashers is the dancing effect some can create.

So let's ask Scott? If you have 8 points you wish to trigger with 4 different colors. Can't you just wire two points to each zone. You would still have 4 zones but 8 points just 4 different colors of flash.

If you had pinstadiums attached with it's own flasher you could hook up two trigger points to that flasher as well. Now you would have 5 colors and 10 trigger points for your flashers.

Scott is this possible? I dont want to confuse anyone with this just seeing if you could push the limits of this system. Seems like you could but that is just me. Thoughts?

Also on the trigger from a coil instead of flasher this is possible I believe. Alien flasher is pulsed by magnet from the xenomorph.

Please ask Scott before doing anything crazy like what I'm suggesting. Just thinking out loud.

I think wiring two inputs together may actually cause other upstream issues with the game itself. If you connect two together those two will now be linked so would flash at the same time during the game, even when not designed.

For instance. If you wanted the backpanel and left disc to flash (both blue) if you tied them together, when the disc flashed it would also flash the backpanel.

Dang, ya'll got my mind thinking on this subject and it wont stop.... Next suggestion would be addressable outputs that could be split into multiple outputs. Now you could have the same activity that occurs on the PF be mirrored on an active backglass.

Tron example again. Shoot the left ramp and the left ramp flahsers go off. Orion's belt then activates a corresponding flasher on the left side of the PF expanding on the facotry's design. Now if that output could be split you could have that attach to an active backpanel to have a feature on the translight flash. This is where having the LEDS addressable helps vs having them all go off at the same time.

I was thinking about this briefly a few months ago. Seemed too dangerous a thing to be even experimenting with as it seems it could cause issues with current draw and appropriate resistances across LEDs. I would not recommend bridging different LED circuits with the trigger wires. To be safe I think each trigger point on a game would need its own pinstadium-style trigger circuit.

This is more the idea I was thinking of as a "next level" sort of thing - the ability to arrange pinstadium flashers or GI in "Zones". I think some of todays games are starting to make a more theatrical approach to lighting. Pinstadium products could not reasonably tie into that without some sort of hooks into the actual pinball code, so Zoning (and/or more advanced-designed/scripted sequences on trigger) may be the next closest thing.

I know I mentioned part of this to you earlier Scott, perhaps something to chew on..

Can u snap a couple of photos of what will come in the box once we recieve orion?

Could you use diode's on the trigger wires to keep this in check?

Scott is a class act,Pinstadiums are one of the best LED mods ever made,And Scott is always available to help with tech support If you have trouble hooking them up.I have them on all my pins and it has really has made a big difference.The WiFi app is a sinch to use where you can fine tune the colors.
Thanks again Scott for a great mod!
Brian

I suspect that there are some Pinsiders who are facing decisions about whether or not to make an investment in PinStadium products. I am very impressed with my installations on GB Premium and BM66 Premium. But, more importantly, the customer service that Scott provides is outstanding. If you make the decision to go with a PinStadium product, know that Scott will be there for you and will surprise you with the quality of his support and personal service. Thank you Scott!

Jim W.

I picked up a third set for my Woz second-hand and reached out with a couple questions. Five minutes after I emailed he rang me up, explained what went where, and sent me two missing parts free of charge with express shipping. They showed up the next day.

I know these are not everybody’s cup of tea, but man... this guy really stands behind his product and I’m super impressed with the support I’ve gotten from him. Cheers.

Maybe cross-pollinate Pinstadium/Orion's Belt with programming via the Pinduino product that can custom program addressable LEDs via triggers from flashers and coils from connector taps on the main board? But ... that would then have to have custom programming for each pin. Maybe make that an input option for us if we want to fiddle with a programmed light show with zones and such. Just throwing in thinking ideas.