This mod was designed to provide ambient lighting. We use backpanel lights, shootlane lights, apron lights, spot lights, etc.... none are tied to the GI! Your GI is not affected by this mod, you still notice the GI dimming and turning off.

Ok, so let's say he makes a separate kit for those who need it tied into the GI, are you seriously willing to pay the extra $30.00. I am sure a few are, most will talk about it, and order the cheaper version anyway or never order one at all. Sorry but I have a long history with these types of variations.

I will be doing a review on this product Saturday. I have seen the install but I want to see it in action more to give it a full review.
@randomkg I am working with Scott to get a RGB flasher system that works off my Undercab kits for those who have both mods.

Thinking about these for for my rob zombie. I like the dark look and feel to the game and just would not want to illuminate it with just straight white lighting. Could the color be adjusted to red? I think the game illuminated with red with the UV flasher option might look great. Or a red flasher option would be cool too

Fairly certain all of this can be done. The flasher is the only part that is limited to one color choice as far as I understand.

We are working on putting my Undercab interactions on the inside of the machine with Scotts kit. Here is a video of RZ you can use your imagination. You could also easily eliminate any option but it would potentially ship with them all.

Would be awesome to see the OP change the lighting to red and show how it illuminates and also how the UV flasher looks. Videos of that would be awesome!

I'm liking the evolution of this so far. Any idea on the timeline of color changing flasher option. I'd hate to buy now only for that to come out shortly after.

Or will color changing flashers just be a quick update that could be done at anytime by the user?

Yes, I would absolutely pay extra for that additional feature.

Do these get in the way of raising and lowering the PF? If so, can you remove them easily for service?

I saw them in use at the Ohio Show. Looked nice.

They do get in the way but the mounting system is so easy it takes less than 10seconds to take them off and raise your playfield.

Nice, I wouldn't but I am sure Scott will look into this option.

This is my SM at the Ohio show. Scott had installed the kit on my game before Aerosmith got there just to show me how to install and how it worked with the app. on a phone. My SM also has mirror blades and the kit just installs right on top of them no problem at all and was quick and easy. They're also easy to remove if you need to lift your PF for service. He had let me set the colors to where I wanted them. This really brought out the colors on the PF and having it hooked up to the venom ramp flasher so that it went off when the ramp was hit was really cool. I am looking forward to getting my set for SM once he gets them produced. The UV flasher add on is a cool feature and that is the main feature I was interested in cause when I do stuff to my games I like to use UV reactive paints on them. So UV lights are kinda important feature for me.

Phoebe

Are there any installation pictures of the hardware? The lighting looks good, was curious how the internals were connected.

Very cool! I wonder how these would play with pin blades / power blades... would they just attach on top of them? Good stuff

I went ahead and ordered these for my WoZ, looking forward to getting it!

How about Heighway? Will these work with FT or Alien?

I'm sorry but this statement is as wrong as a spotlight on my front projection screen.

The function of lighting effects is to create CONTRAST. By definition shining bright lights on a playfield diminishes contrast, especially if they are always on. Do you also maintain that playing pinball outside on a sunny day also does not affect the impact of GI dimming?

I agree that some people care about GI lighting effects more than others, but you can count me out. I'll keep my blackout mods and low ambient light game room. Add full GI integration and I will be interested.

You would be crazy to put these on Alien without GI integration, but maybe that's just me.

I suggest seeing it in person for yourself and decide. The GI effects aren't messed with as much as you'd think. I didn't notice anything drastic even on a game that uses GI tricks like TWD.

When does production start?

I paid. When does it ship? I was likely one of the first.

Won't really effect how the inserts look and would probably make the incandescent bulbs under the inserts look more dull/washed out. ("wash out" in a certain different way - I find LEDs wash out color more under inserts but you know what I mean with incandescent bulbs on these newer games)

Back yourself then. Start now. Think about the logic..you're past the point of no return anyway..so get cracking sir!

Have you seen these in person?

At Kalamazoo Show it looks great on the Bride of Pinbot 2.0 and really lights up the dark areas of the playfield. I am sure someone will post the pictures soon else I will take some pictures later today at the show.

Well here's the thing, could I not just find a way to power this only when the GI's on? In my mind I can hook a small relay to any GI light I choose, when the GI is on these lights have power and work! When the GI goes off this goes off. I believe I could wire quite easily.

Edit, yep the more I think about it my plan above is perfect, anyone think of a reason it won't work? There's not some boot up or warm up time once power is applied is there? Just instant power?

Qualitatively it is no different from playing in a well-lit room, which is not my preference as it diminishes the lighting effects.

I understand that many have different preferences than me and I hope they love this mod. I just take exception to your assertion that it will have "no effect" on lighting effects. Perhaps you could modify your statement to something like "it will have a variable impact on GI lighting effects that many will either not notice or not be bothered by."

I know my wall powered strips (12v transformer) for my game room lighting take a veritable time to warm up and come on. I'm no expert, but if you placed the relay after any voltage regulation I would think it would work. What would you do about dimming? Or maybe Alien doesn't do a lot of dimming?

As an an aside, ambience is what killed Alien for me at TPF. Ambient lighting and ambient NOISE. To me mood and atmosphere is the biggest selling point of Alien, none of which comes across in that environment.

Funny you mention it, but BoP, particularly during METAMORPHOSIS, would be my exhibit 1A on how ambient lighting kills dynamic lighting.

Wait, I'm not the only one? LOL. I'm thinking about putting these on my Crescendo...or trying anyways...I haven't been able to find a suitable way to flood the game with UV.

Totally agree with you Sed, I have been speaking with Scott via pm about hooking these up via the GI circuit, he says its certainly possible, its a shame this cannot be done plug and play as I would have ordered kits for all my games, instead I will buy one kit and see how hooking it up to the GI goes and then maybe order more.

Certainly worth Scott pinstadium if you looked into offering these plug and play with GI interaction, can only see you getting more sales from it being an option for those without the skills to do the hookup themselves, hell I would probably buy them off you like that saves me the time doing it to every game in my collection

I had a chance to talk to Scott at the Kalamazoo Pinball Expo and see these in action. He showed me all of the capabilities. I love that you can adjust pretty much everything on these to customize them to your liking. You can adjust colors, brightness, have it change colors, and adjust how fast and how smooth you want that to happen. You want green lights today and tomorrow red lights, no problem. I got home and ordered two of them. Scott's a great guy to talk too and is very passionate about this product. Plus he is his own customer and a pinball addict himself. Well worth looking into.

LOL!! Guess not...I've been custom painting stuff with UV paint since around 2010. That's one of the main reasons I'm looking at these. I've seen them on his AFM, MB, MET and all his other games when they were still in prototype stages and the UV effect looked really good. As some of these games have some UV already integrated into the artwork, so the Pinstadium lights help bring them out and make them pop!

Phoebe

Yeah, I figured if nothing else they would end up on my MET. Because it's not already ridiculously illuminated with the Powerblades and full LEDs already. My only other choice is WPT (which is ...........oh damn....now you're going to make me want to have my Voltron art be UV reactive...CRAAAAAAAAPPPP!!!!) or Farfalla.

Got to second that, Scott is a pleasure to talk to and happy to hear peoples thoughts on the product which shows he is a true class act. I will be ordering one to experiment tying into the GI, if he could add that out of the box as an option these would literally be the perfect lighting product, options to suit literally every need and application.

Agree with all the comments about adding the GI feature. This really should be something incorporated into the default design since they have not been produced yet. Why would you NOT want this to mimic any controlled GI?

For me one of the huge benefits of this is the added lighting it provides to help with live streaming. Best way for this to help with that is to be separate and always on. So having that as at least an option is a must for me.

I placed my order. Can't wait! Now which will get here first, Alien or these light?

Here's a basic, no solder relay, anyone can use to control power to these via GI. All you do is stick two wires with alligator clips on the two screws on the left. Then you clip the alligator clips to whatever GI bulb or lamp socket you want. Then you cut the positive power line running to your stadium lights and stick each cut end into the screws on the right. Voila! Whenever your GI lighting has power the relay is closed and the stadium lights come on.

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A good solution to this would be a relay with a switch...so they could be on all the time OR only be on when the games GI lights were on.

I put a relay with a 3 way switch on my LED backboard for my Spider-Man. It has an always on, always off and GI controlled setting depending on how the switch is flipped.

If you're going to develop something to interface to the GI I would go with an opto-isolator rather than a relay.

http://www.nutsvolts.com/magazine/article/optocoupler-circuits

The downside is if the game uses GI dimming the led's will flicker when dimmed and for those who are sensitive to flickering they will actually always be flickering once GI is used as the control circuit. It would take additional circuitry to solve those issues (something like herg's GI OCD)

For those of us who aren't into colored GI can you post some before and after photos without the RGB led's being used.

Order placed!

Fine idea. By good fortune eBay is full of opto-isolators for $5-10 ea. I'll do more research.

I'm confused. Is the light strip RGB W and UV?all on the same strip? Or is this UV flasher something else?

The UV Flasher is not on the same strip as the RGBW.