So my machine isn’t nice? Duly noted.

I get a great interactive glow with my Creeping Death rails & lightshow. No slight to your product.

Pics of my TWDLE. With and without Pinstadiums on.

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Totes true on rz

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This seems like it would be achievable with a few spotlights. Pinball Life has some at $2.50 each.

That definitely made a difference and looks good. I find that 5-SMD cool white or sunlight towers in the stock sockets brighten up any playfield nicely as well. I just don’t like looking at the LED strip reflections (circled).

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I’d definitely throw mirror blades in too if not for the CD blades in mine. Your MET looks great with mirrors.

True. The ramp reflections are, well, distracting while playing.

This is definitely an option.

Just wait for BLUR!!! Haha

I’ll check them out at Pincinnati

Thanks ! I wasn’t in love with the art that was out there so I went mirror .. came out great. I have modded the heck out of this thing had it for like 6 years .

I may move these to my black knight when I get my hovers as Met is pretty bright as is .

I will admit I wish pricing was better on these not sure the cost to make . But Scott can charge whatever he wants no one has to buy them or read this thread for that matter . I was sold on these after seeing them in person at TPF not pictures .

Don’t tease me. I need to play your vampire in the worst way.

Same. I saw these before they were available for sale and I immediately thought of like 10 games that needed them.

I also hate games that use all the GI and backbox lighting as flashers. (Looking at you DE games). So these if you leave theme set to always on, cure all this.

Pricey, Hell yeah. That’s why I got a set or two and take them game to game as needed.

I've had enough of this nonsense.

Unlike the human eye, a camera CANNOT properly expose the darkest and lightest tones in these types of scenes at the same time. Expose for the light tones, such as light bulbs, and everything else in the scene becomes much darker than it actually is. And vice versa. See example pics below.

Anyone making purchase decisions based on these before & after images is either naive about what a camera can do, or very gullible.

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Yep. Need more vendors. If anyone wants space. Hit us up. The parts vendors last year did well. Lots of people want to buy, but not many people selling.

I gotta say something too.

Bless this guy and his marketing enthusiasm... but ...

GOT in standard form is maybe the brightest game ever made. Steve Bowden started wearing sunglasses when he played it due to the brightness and bright flasher effects.

This picture on the left is totally misrepresenting the standard game.

Being a “camera guy” for 30 years, I know what you can do with a camera, and the before photos are underexposed to make them look dark.

Maybe if you had bad cataracts the game would look like this. Lol.

In most countries, you can’t advertise false claims like this. You’d be up before the advertising tribunal.

Like I say ... 10/10 for marketing persistence. But these “before” photos are BS.

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This thing doesn’t need more lights. You know I’ll bring it. Here’s some clear, actual shots.

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The camera is not like your eyes.

Your eyes are much more receptive to light than a traditional camera.

Go out at dusk today and look around. Now take a photo of it. The photo is black.

A skilled photographer opens the iris to let more light in, to illuminates the subject for the photo.

I really doubt you are just “point and shoot” at these photos.

If you genuinely are, I would recommend a course in photography. Because these “before” photos look nothing like any of the machines I have ever seen. And my eyes are almost 50 years old.

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Whoa baby! Can’t wait.

All right, I'm going to chime in on this real quick. Forgive me, I am currently out of town on behalf of active duty military obligations, so my access to resources is limited.

I do not have this product. I have made my opinion on it known (Nay).

Here is GOT Pro with PinStadium installed:

Focusing around 0:15-0:20 mark, it is perceived that the stock lighting is horrible.

Now here is my GOT Pro bare-bones stock maybe....the week I bought it NIB from GEX:

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It's no secret that the lights in the house are on (which, there is one single bulb hanging on the ceiling fan where the games are in the gameroom as seen in this pic below):

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Here is a picture my fiancee and step-son playing GOT Pro, in a dark room, with stock lighting from the side:

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Now I get it, it's not an optimal shot of the PF, but .....come on.....look at the factory lighting radiating excess light all over the place. Even from that angle, the shield with all the modes, which video focuses on as a dark area, is clearly visible on my game. There is no way the "before" picture in that video is accurate.

I respect someone creating a product out of passion and working hard to get ahead and make a profit. That's cool - no qualms with that. What I do not like is what I perceive to be some really deceptive marketing to make PinStadium some kind of undeniable necessity.

In extremely stark contrast, take ColorDMD - while not a necessity - flat out shows you the end product, and there's no denying that their product is a MASSIVE improvement over stock hardware. There's no trickery with camera settings, WYSIWYG. I can't say the same about PinStadium, and I feel that there is some decent hoodwinking to get people (with money to burn) to believe they must have this product, when really, the right LED bulbs and maybe 2-3 spotlights would do everything PinStadium does - for a lot less.

In conclusion, I tried my best to keep this from being perceived as a personal attack; it really is not. My bottom line: yay capitalism, but be honest about it, and I feel there's a lot of grey in some of these marketing tactics.

I have to agree with what your saying... no disrespect to the creator, but those video clips are definitely deceptive simply because the before is pushed in the worst possible direction.

Whether or not people like installing these things is neither here nor there for me. I tried them on my WOZ and couldn’t wait to take them off. And the OP was really gracious in helping to send necessary parts and materials to the guy that bought them from me. So each to their own on spending money on them and using them.

But for the amount of dramatic effort put into that video, it’s easy to see how one might assume the before images are reliable representations.

Guys, just go see a set in person, with your own eyes. If you like them, buy them. If you don't like them, don't buy them. You can debate back and forth until the day you die, but the fact is, you don't know until you see them for yourself. Some people don't like it, some do. I have them on 2 machines, soon to be 3. I love them. Friends who have actually seen them and played my machines have bought them for their machines. However, you may hate them. I guess I'm just saying, don't accuse the guy of misrepresenting his product, when they really do make a huge difference in the lighting. Even if you don't particularly like the end result of the product.

We have seen it, this is nothing new.

Absolutely, and as I keep repeating good luck to him and many happy costumers.

Ha...yeah well no one is accusing Pinstadiums of not making a bunch of fucking light, We are accusing him of misrepresenting the before pictures.
Can you see this picture? Do you think this is accurate? Do you think this is a correct representation of what a Champion Pub looks like?
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I respect your reply and agree with you. Definitely best to see the difference in person.

I know my before pic of my ST(which I thought was one of the brightest games out there) captured what it really looked like, as well as the after.

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I love the light show and the way it looks with Pin Stadiums so much better. When I turn them off in the app, the game just looks so much darker(obviously). I could never go back. It's a preference, but I'm glad that there's someone out there like Scott who has worked hard on making a product like this. It's a high quality product and I don't think it's oversold cause there is no way that I was going to try and do it myself. It's my machine, in my home, and I like it. #PinStadiums4Life!

But neither is your picture of your game. Look at the translight. The lighting of the translite is not completely washed out like that in person.

If Scott used the stock settings on his camera to focus the exposure on a bright area of the game (make the overall pic darker), you did the opposite.

If you’re translite actually looked like that in person, no one would complain about how horrible the art is because they wouldn’t be able to see it.

For streaming and recording video, you have to dumb down exposure settings to get smooth video. This makes the game look darker than it actually is. Then you add separate lighting to get the same smooth action on the recording, and also have a well lit playfield.

Normally streamers would put a separate light on a stand to light up the playfield. But pinstadiums do the same thing, within the game putting even light over the whole playfield.

At the end of the day most people that buy these saw them in person and liked the change and bought them. Not sure I’ve talked to a single person that said they bought these based on pictures alone. Way too expensive to do that.

Most common comment I hear people say about these at shows is, “why doesn’t my GOT or Addams Family look like that?”

Imo the only before and after Scott needs to show is RZ. That game is impossibly dark, and has a crazy improvement in visibility with these.

Most of the before and afters are from customers. When I sent some to Scott of my games, all he did was ask me to make sure it was a dark game room so that only the game lighting was at work. I obliged. I tried to get them as accurate as possible, but it was hard.

All I know is when I saw them on RZ, I knew my streams could benefit from these and allow me to punt on my external lighting. I was lucky enough to buy some early versions that were scrapped as all I needed them for was to be always on and have brightness and color control.

I’m priced out of the current versions like many right now, but if you need a dark game brighter, these definitely help with that. It’s one of many options out there to take care of that issue.

Any picture/video of lighting, especially LED, is impossible to get exactly right.

Great talk with Kaneda!

First two pics are lights off in my basement. One with Pinstadium on and one off. I have an iPhone XR. I opened the camera app, then clicked the button to take a pic. I held the pic side by side with the game to make sure it was a fair representation. I have all frosted warm white comet smd bulbs in the game.

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Basement lights on. Same picture taking process.

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These aren’t for everyone. They aren’t for me in most cases. But like any other mod you probably should see it before you buy it.

Can you take the same photo with 2 spotlights added to slings?

If just a little more light is your goal then you can do it for ~5% of the cost, with less effort, and better overall effect (bonus of no zebra stripes, no worry of parts falling into game while playing, and the ability to not detract from a future game sale by turning off potential buyers)

I think it's a nice product and needed on a few machines certainly not all as he suggests.
but he's a good salesman he's not confrontational, No matter the criticism. he's trying to move units and at 400+ each he need to show some dramatic perceived value for the product.He would make a great car salesman. lol If they ever make it to about half that price I would consider them. till then there's always plan B
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Except for people like me who hate the look of spotlights especially if you have to tape the LEDs in to keep them from popping out, unless of course you want to risk the part (LED) falling into the game. They can also be easily removed and moved to another game in minutes. I've had a set on WOZ for a couple years and a set on PM for about a year (HUGE difference in both of those games), put a set on my STTNG for two shows now and have never, ever had them fall off even when transporting the games. Shit happens, things in pinball machines break and you don't like the product - we get it.

Edit: to be clear I also have games like MM, Xenon, SM and CV I keep with just incandescent bulbs. I don't believe every game needs them and yes, they are expensive.