(Topic ID: 251224)

NEW Orbitor 1 Spinning Bumper replacement - Interest Check


By Isochronic_Frost

8 days ago



Topic Stats

  • 14 posts
  • 7 Pinsiders participating
  • Latest reply 6 days ago by Navig8R
  • No one calls this topic a favorite

You

Linked Games

Topic poll

“Would you be interested in a new Spinning Bumper replacement unit? Estimated price $200”

  • One Spinning Bumper replacement unit 0 votes
  • A pair of replacement units 1 vote
    25%
  • Interested in foam bumper replacements rather than the whole unit 1 vote
    25%
  • Spinning bumper replacements & spare foam bumpers too 1 vote
    25%
  • Not interested, not a justifiable expense 1 vote
    25%

(4 votes)

Topic Gallery

There have been 8 images uploaded to this topic. (View topic image gallery).

IMG_1903 (resized).JPG
IMG_1902 (resized).JPG
IMG_1901 (resized).JPG
IMG_1885 (resized).JPG
IMG_1884 (resized).JPG
D7305A19-0B9E-4777-9C92-F324A1013900.jpeg
419D9705-81BE-483A-9638-866D2E7095E2.png
4F8A6603-3A80-4414-B587-2D9A06B6F44E.jpeg

#1 8 days ago

Hello, I’ve been working with pinfixer on redesigning and remanufacturing new “spinning bumper” assemblies for Orbitor 1. These parts are just plain Unobtainium and I’ve spoken to numerous owners who have searched for them to no avail. Many of the original motors are wearing out at this point and suffering severe “wobble” that has caused owners to rarely play their game for fear of these parts breaking.

To all Orbitor 1 owners and restorers, would you be interested in buying complete NEW spinning bumpers for O1?
These are looking to be pretty pricey to make, so we are estimating around $200 each for these units. Since originally O1 was supposed to have both Clockwise and Counter-Clockwise motors we will be designing these new motors to be reversible, allowing an owner to simply switch each motor for the desired rotation.

I truly believe there is a genuine NEED for these absurdly impossible parts to be remade to help other O1’s survive.

Now since the “foam rubber” spinning discs are also beat and falling apart on many of these games we would look into reproducing them as well. That issue we will also be gauging interest for.

Please, spread this around and vote, it will greatly assist our efforts and provide a better idea for quantity of spinning bumper units needed.

419D9705-81BE-483A-9638-866D2E7095E2.png4F8A6603-3A80-4414-B587-2D9A06B6F44E.jpegD7305A19-0B9E-4777-9C92-F324A1013900.jpeg
#3 8 days ago
Quoted from Isochronic_Frost:

Hello, I’ve been working with pinfixer on redesigning and remanufacturing new “spinning bumper” assemblies for Orbitor 1. These parts are just plain Unobtainium and I’ve spoken to numerous owners who have searched for them to no avail. Many of the original motors are wearing out at this point and suffering severe “wobble” that has caused owners to rarely play their game for fear of these parts breaking.
To all Orbitor 1 owners and restorers, would you be interested in buying complete NEW spinning bumpers for O1?
These are looking to be pretty pricey to make, so we are estimating around $200 each for these units. Since originally O1 was supposed to have both Clockwise and Counter-Clockwise motors we will be designing these new motors to be reversible, allowing an owner to simply switch each motor for the desired rotation.
I truly believe there is a genuine NEED for these absurdly impossible parts to be remade to help other O1’s survive.
Now since the “foam rubber” spinning discs are also beat and falling apart on many of these games we would look into reproducing them as well. That issue we will also be gauging interest for.
Please, spread this around and vote, it will greatly assist our efforts and provide a better idea for quantity of spinning bumper units needed.[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

Those are C-frame motors. Have you looked at the Dayton branded C-frames? There are all sorts of configurations and sizes. They can rotate both clockwise and counterclockwise just be reversing the armature.

https://www.zoro.com/search?q=dayton%20c%20frame%20motors&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Torso_Converters%20Dayton&utm_term=%2Bdayton%20%2Bc%20%2Bframe%20%2Bmotors&utm_content=Dayton%20C%20Frame%20Motors&gclid=CIGcgbKFyeQCFUVRgQodBq0CRA&gclsrc=ds

There is also this company making C-frames.

http://gemsmotor.com/c-frame-shaded-pole-motor

#4 8 days ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

Those are C-frame motors. Have you looked at the Dayton branded C-frames? There are all sorts of configurations and sizes. They can rotate both clockwise and counterclockwise just be reversing the armature.
https://www.zoro.com/search?q=dayton%20c%20frame%20motors&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Torso_Converters%20Dayton&utm_term=%2Bdayton%20%2Bc%20%2Bframe%20%2Bmotors&utm_content=Dayton%20C%20Frame%20Motors&gclid=CIGcgbKFyeQCFUVRgQodBq0CRA&gclsrc=ds
There is also this company making C-frames.
http://gemsmotor.com/c-frame-shaded-pole-motor

I was looking at them, last time you mentioned it however none of them seemed to match this particular one. I can contact the company and send them specs, but I was hoping to get more pictures or another motor to be sure this is the correct one before contacting them

#5 8 days ago

I’d be in for a set

#6 8 days ago
Quoted from Isochronic_Frost:

I was looking at them, last time you mentioned it however none of them seemed to match this particular one. I can contact the company and send them specs, but I was hoping to get more pictures or another motor to be sure this is the correct one before contacting them

I see. I thought you were in possession of an actual motor to that you could spec from. Still, it would not hurt to call and establish contact; They might be able to give you some ideas.

Hell, you might get lucky and find a contact who is into old pins. I know when I make calls like this the person on the other side gets friendly; They may not know much about pinballs but they know what they are and get real positive with you on the phone.

#7 8 days ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

I see. I thought you were in possession of an actual motor to that you could spec from. Still, it would not hurt to call and establish contact; They might be able to give you some ideas.
Hell, you might get lucky and find a contact who is into old pins. I know when I make calls like this the person on the other side gets friendly; They may not know much about pinballs but they know what they are and get real positive with you on the phone.

I have one motor but it does not lineup with the standoffs on the bracket so I’m wondering if it was replaced back in the field at one time. It could be original and it’s possible the other bracket was different. That’s the issue, the amount of unknowns. I recently discovered the Orbitor 1 actually used the metal stern brackets for the flippers during part of the production run, however they switched and used plastic Wico brackets for most of it.
They were really trying to save money and use what they had during this point in the company’s history

Quoted from bangerjay:

I’d be in for a set

Thanks Jay, I appreciate your interest, will keep ya posted!

#8 8 days ago
Quoted from Isochronic_Frost:

I have one motor but it does not lineup with the standoffs on the bracket so I’m wondering if it was replaced back in the field at one time. It could be original and it’s possible the other bracket was different. That’s the issue, the amount of unknowns. I recently discovered the Orbitor 1 actually used the metal stern brackets for the flippers during part of the production run, however they switched and used plastic Wico brackets for most of it.
They were really trying to save money and use what they had during this point in the company’s history

Let me ask you this: How difficult is it, or would it be, to remove a motor assembly from a working Orbitor? From your pics it does not look like it would be too hard to remove. Pinside shows 62 Orbitor owners. Perhaps one of those owners has the mechanical chops to remove one of his motors form some measurements if it would not be too difficult.

Can you put up some good detailed pics of what you do have? I'd like to see what is not lining up.

Here are a couple I have laying around.

The one on the left is from cheap desk fan that was thrown away because the motor seized up; I cleaned the motor up and is working great. I don't know where I got the one on the right.

IMG_1884 (resized).JPG

They are used everywhere. I am trying to extract one from a broken kitchen blender at the moment.

And all of the "rain" lamps from 30 years ago use these motors.

IMG_1885 (resized).JPG

#9 8 days ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

Let me ask you this: How difficult is it, or would it be, to remove a motor assembly from a working Orbitor? From your pics it does not look like it would be too hard to remove. Pinside shows 62 Orbitor owners. Perhaps one of those owners has the mechanical chops to remove one of his motors form some measurements if it would not be too difficult.
Can you put up some good detailed pics of what you do have? I'd like to see what is not lining up.
Here are a couple I have laying around.
The one on the left is from cheap desk fan that was thrown away because the motor seized up; I cleaned the motor up and is working great. I don't know where

I have considered that. I doubt any owners would like to remove this motor but that was my next route. Hopefully they can assist. I can post pictures of what I have tonight.
How do you clean them? The biggest issue is the bearings. How do you buy replacement bearings, how are they sized? I’m not very experienced with these types.

#10 8 days ago
Quoted from Isochronic_Frost:

I have considered that. I doubt any owners would like to remove this motor but that was my next route. Hopefully they can assist. I can post pictures of what I have tonight.
How do you clean them? The biggest issue is the bearings. How do you buy replacement bearings, how are they sized? I’m not very experienced with these types.

I'm no expert on these C-frame motors. My observations while shopping for one for one of my rain lamps are:

1) The thickness is measures by the amount of metal wafers in the stack. Some are 1/2 inch. Some are 1.5 inches, for example.

2) They have various RPMs.

3) They have different shaft lengths and styles.

4) From taking mine apart, there are no bearings. There are bushings. I do not think they are replaceable. Considering that the motors don't look to be all that expensive, I doubt there is much of a replacement parts market. You just throw the motor away and install a new one.

5) They are easy to take apart and clean up. And they are easy to get back together. But you need screwdriver skills and some mechanical chops. You can't be a klutz. But there is not much to them.

If you could get some good, solid pictures of a correct unit, I"m guessing a sales rep could help you out.

#11 7 days ago

This is all they are.

2 bushed brackets

1 C-frame with coil

1 armature

2 screws and nuts

IMG_1901 (resized).JPG

If you want clockwise, point the long shaft to your right.

IMG_1902 (resized).JPG

If you want counter clockwise, point the long shaft to the right.

IMG_1903 (resized).JPG

#12 7 days ago

I would buy 4 units and 8 foam replacements.

Foam replacements are an immediate need. The units are something I will buy to support and love the 2 way spin option

#13 7 days ago

Edit
Wrong thread...

#14 6 days ago

Count me in for a set, including the foam rubber spinning disks

Promoted items from the Pinside Marketplace
$ 119.95
Boards
Allteksystems
$ 14.50
Electronics
PinballElectronics.com
$ 19.95
From: $ 155.00
From: $ 10.00
From: $ 45.00
Displays
PinballSolutions.eu
Wanted
Machine - Wanted
Evansville, IN
From: $ 13.00
Electronics
Third Coast Pinball
4,300 (OBO)
Machine - For Sale
Westwood, NJ
From: $ 99.99
Cabinet - Other
Lighted Pinball Mods
$ 24.00

Hey there! Got a moment?

Great to see you're enjoying Pinside! Did you know Pinside is able to run thanks to donations from our visitors? Please donate to Pinside, support the site and get anext to your username to show for it! Donate to Pinside