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New Game Houdini? Just Announced by American Pinball.

By RickThorn

7 years ago


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Post #2532 American pinball is advertising in pinball life orders Posted by DennisK (7 years ago)

Post #2768 Press Release from American Pinball before TPF 2017 Posted by unigroove (7 years ago)

Post #2820 video of game reveal at TPF Posted by Khabbi (7 years ago)

Post #2829 TPF gameplay video (short) Posted by Khabbi (7 years ago)

Post #2831 Photo of Houdini backbox/translite Posted by 1iblind (7 years ago)

Post #2839 more short Houdini gameplay video from TPF Posted by Khabbi (7 years ago)

Post #2841 Video of Houdini catapult toy in action Posted by Khabbi (7 years ago)

Post #2851 Price confirmed as $6995 from sources at TPF Posted by Khabbi (7 years ago)

Post #3006 A quick review of TPF reactions. Posted by rosh (7 years ago)

Post #3050 Some history of Houdini leading up to TPF from rosh Posted by rosh (7 years ago)


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#1986 7 years ago

Can't someone there throw up a quick periscope stream? As we all saw from the JJP reveal, it doesn't require much technical expertise.

#2211 7 years ago

AP can try and distance themselves from Jpop, but Houdini can't distance itself from MG/RAZA/AIW. The problem I have with this John CERTAINLY used part of my money to develop the Houdini art project. AP can say they don't owe Zidware customers anything, but they do if we funded the Houdini project they are taking over.

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#2285 7 years ago
Quoted from Skins:

No quid pro quo. Ap specifically said it was a barter arraignment, Houdini for magic girl.

No offense, but what do you think quid pro quo means?

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#2586 7 years ago

F^%$ all the MG talk. It should be all Zidware customers or none. MG only got to the point it got to from stealing RAZA and AIW people's money to fund it. Not that I think anything will come of this anyway, but I'm really getting pissed that AP/Jpop are willing to acknowledge they owe something to MG owners (regardless of whether they deliver anything on that front) but are still willing to piss in the faces of all the other swindled Zidware customers.

I honestly don't care if they deliver every single MG machine to those owners, if they don't try for equal retribution for all Zidware customers, they'll still be a bunch of assholes.

#2594 7 years ago
Quoted from pinlink:

I think it makes the most sense for them to completely cut ties with Zidware/JPop and forget about helping the MG and Zidewre customers.
Start fresh as a new company.

Even as a RAZA "investor" I agree with this, but if they choose to leave that can of worms open, they need to address the contents of the whole can, not just the 24 people floating at the top.

It should be all or nothing. Offer some restitution for all Zidware customers if they are still affiliated with Jpop or benefited with his designs in some way, or more smartly, cut ties all together and tell all Zidware customers they're SOL and to contact Jpop.

MG will never see the light of day, I completely agree with that. So, the only likely restitution (if they actually go that path) would be a discount off of Houdini. If they want to actually do that, and do it right, then:
1 - figure out how much aggregate money they're willing to discount.
2 - determine how many people were left holding the Zidware bag and how much money they were each in for.
3 - based on those two numbers, determine how many pennies on the Zidware dollar they will offer as a Houdini discount to match their total aggregate discount.

This would let them determine how much Jpop's side of the equation was worth to them, and lets them proportionally spread that money across the Zidware customer base by how much money was lost by each person. This makes a lot more sense than making 24 people whole and leaving about 150 holding their dicks.

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