Wow. Could MG owners go from being out thousands to getting a pin worth more than BMSLE? What a potential turn of events.
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Quoted from Mr68:I guess you're not in the private group. No matter, I now feel comfortable releasing this on Pinside. Here's a copy of my post to the owners group on October 6th:
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" I had a phone meeting this morning with Scott Goldberg of American Pinball. Not his fault but I was short on time and we will speak again. Here are my quick notes.
Jpop is a consultant for AP to do Houdini
AP has no ownership of Zidware.
Zidware is the manufacturer of Magic Girl & RAZA
AP has been contracted to build MG on behalf of Zidware
MG will be manufactured as originally promised and shown by Jpop. No cut corners and only present owners will receive one. Delivery before the end of the year.
There will not be a second run of MG under a different or same game name.
Houdini is an original machine and not a lesser tier Magic Girl.
The manufacturer and builder of Houdini is AP. Designed by Jpop.
Owners of RAZA and AIW will be compensated after MG delivery and after the Houdini launch.
Compensation for those games is undetermined at this time and no time line given.
RAZA will most likely be built and limited to the 125 owners. Again, built for Zidware and no second run. However, options to swap into Houdini may be given to RAZA / AIW owners.
Here’s my guess on the unsettled RAZA / AIW situation. Magic Girl was paid in full by the owners so it was a no brainer. RAZA / AIW are paid for in various amounts and therefore need to be handled on a case by case situation.
What this means is, we are all still dealing with Jpop and this is his solution to make things right.
I need questions from you guys for my next meeting with Scott. Please put them in this thread. I apologize to the vendors for overlooking them.
Kim
Well well well...positive news on pinside.
Quoted from Mr68:MG will be manufactured as originally promised and shown by Jpop. No cut corners and only present owners will receive one. Delivery before the end of the year.
{snip}
Owners of RAZA and AIW will be compensated after MG delivery and after the Houdini launch.
Compensation for those games is undetermined at this time and no time line given.{snip}
RAZA will most likely be built and limited to the 125 owners. Again, built for Zidware and no second run. However, options to swap into Houdini may be given to RAZA / AIW owners.
Here’s my guess on the unsettled RAZA / AIW situation. Magic Girl was paid in full by the owners so it was a no brainer. RAZA / AIW are paid for in various amounts and therefore need to be handled on a case by case situation.
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Edmonton, AB
Quoted from pinballrockstar:Well well well...positive news on pinside.
Lots of positive news and helpful people and insight on Pinside . Just the handful of shit disturbers that like to stir the pot!
At the least keeps it interesting!
If this is all true, good for Jpop. If they deliver, the man might have made mistakes and tried to cover his tracks with deception...but at least he is involved with trying to right the wrongs. Would be a nice end story for everyone that bought in. Everyone gets their stuff and history is righted. That's the way it should work, anyway.
Quoted from Mr68:I guess you're not in the private group. No matter, I now feel comfortable releasing this on Pinside. Here's a copy of my post to the owners group on October 6th:
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" I had a phone meeting this morning with Scott Goldberg of American Pinball. Not his fault but I was short on time and we will speak again. Here are my quick notes.
Jpop is a consultant for AP to do Houdini
AP has no ownership of Zidware.
Zidware is the manufacturer of Magic Girl & RAZA
AP has been contracted to build MG on behalf of Zidware
MG will be manufactured as originally promised and shown by Jpop. No cut corners and only present owners will receive one. Delivery before the end of the year.
There will not be a second run of MG under a different or same game name.
Houdini is an original machine and not a lesser tier Magic Girl.
The manufacturer and builder of Houdini is AP. Designed by Jpop.
Owners of RAZA and AIW will be compensated after MG delivery and after the Houdini launch.
Compensation for those games is undetermined at this time and no time line given.
RAZA will most likely be built and limited to the 125 owners. Again, built for Zidware and no second run. However, options to swap into Houdini may be given to RAZA / AIW owners.
Here’s my guess on the unsettled RAZA / AIW situation. Magic Girl was paid in full by the owners so it was a no brainer. RAZA / AIW are paid for in various amounts and therefore need to be handled on a case by case situation.
What this means is, we are all still dealing with Jpop and this is his solution to make things right.
I need questions from you guys for my next meeting with Scott. Please put them in this thread. I apologize to the vendors for overlooking them.
Kim
The games were not economically feasible at the low production numbers... having AP make them really doesn't change that.
AP making the games FOR zidware... called it (I guess zidware better get that corporate identity back into legal black 
)
Open ended promises for RAZA/AIW with no information what so ever on how to make it viable (or why they are speaking FOR zidware)
even if zidware ships MG to fill its old obligations... what assets does it have to address RAZA/AIW? Promises but nothing to build any confidence the promises can be met.
I don't really see how this is really positive... its more wild promises with no concrete facts on how they will bridge the actual hard gaps that make those promises so wild.
It's promising to make all your problems to go away... with nothing to validate how they can make it happen and do so in a business viable way.. and even clouds the view even more when it comes to AP's relation with jpop/zidware.
Quoted from flynnibus:Even if Zidware ships MG to fill its old obligations... what assets does it have to address RAZA/AIW?
If Houdini turns out to be good, I'd be satisfied if they let me apply my RAZA money towards it. I bet most other RAZA/AIW owners would happily do the same.
Quoted from gweempose:If Houdini turns out to be good, I'd be satisfied if they let me apply my RAZA money towards it. I bet most other RAZA/AIW owners would happily do the same.
which would equate to AP giving out 'free money' (even if they get through all the legal tangle of AP assuming zidware's liabilities)
How does AP give out 'free money' to this degree and make it viable for themselves to do so?
These are the hard questions behind these promises that needed to be asked.
Quoted from flynnibus:which would equate to AP giving out 'free money' (even if they get through all the legal tangle of AP assuming zidware's liabilities)
How does AP give out 'free money' to this degree and make it viable for themselves to do so?
These are the hard questions behind these promises that needed to be asked.
Like you, I don't know any of the details. Obviously, AP isn't doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. I'm operating under the assumption that they worked out some kind of deal with JPop that is to their mutual benefit. In John's case, he gets to fulfill his contractual obligations and gets the lawsuits off his back. For AP, they are able to jump start their new pinball company with a game that probably cost them very little to acquire. Remember, JPop was hardly in a position of power when negotiating with AP. I assume they got his services, at least on Houdini, for practically nothing in exchange for taking on some or all of his debt.
North Bend, WA
So, given the trajectory of events...anyone want to be the proud owner of MG007? (James Bond edition -j/k). I have been paid in full on this machine for nearly half a decade. PM me if you are a serious, my price is $16,007. Figure twelve bucks is enough to cover my flight out to see the game, talk to Jpop, and generally be alternately amused, excited, and sickened since July 2011.
"what is this Wonka, some sort of funhouse?.....why, you having fun?"
- Dave
Quoted from gweempose:If Houdini turns out to be good, I'd be satisfied if they let me apply my RAZA money towards it. I bet most other RAZA/AIW owners would happily do the same.
'bsolutely
Unless there is a Magic Girl playable at expo to demonstrate that jpop has the ability to finish ANYTHING all of this is still just talk.
Quoted from gweempose:... they worked out some kind of deal with JPop that is to their mutual benefit. In John's case, he gets to fulfill his contractual obligations and gets the lawsuits off his back.
Yeah..he has to work 183 years as a designer for AP to pay them back
The games are beautiful / gorgeous, and spectacular! ... The build quality looks to be spon on.
How close did they let you get? ANNNNDDDD.....
DOES IT FLIP????????
Cautiously excited about Houdini. I like what little I have seen so far and think that the subject matter is great. If it comes to fruition, I am in!
Quoted from Mr68:I guess you're not in the private group. No matter, I now feel comfortable releasing this on Pinside. Here's a copy of my post to the owners group on October 6th:
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" I had a phone meeting this morning with Scott Goldberg of American Pinball. Not his fault but I was short on time and we will speak again. Here are my quick notes.Jpop is a consultant for AP to do Houdini
AP has no ownership of Zidware.Houdini is an original machine and not a lesser tier Magic Girl.
The manufacturer and builder of Houdini is AP. Designed by Jpop.Kim
Houdini was Zidware #4....... Jpop handed that over(at minimum) to AP in exchange for the manufacturing.
Quoted from Mr68:I guess you're not in the private group. No matter, I now feel comfortable releasing this on Pinside. Here's a copy of my post to the owners group on October 6th:
-----------------
" I had a phone meeting this morning with Scott Goldberg of American Pinball. Not his fault but I was short on time and we will speak again. Here are my quick notes.
Jpop is a consultant for AP to do Houdini
AP has no ownership of Zidware.
Zidware is the manufacturer of Magic Girl & RAZA
AP has been contracted to build MG on behalf of Zidware
MG will be manufactured as originally promised and shown by Jpop. No cut corners and only present owners will receive one. Delivery before the end of the year.
There will not be a second run of MG under a different or same game name.
Houdini is an original machine and not a lesser tier Magic Girl.
The manufacturer and builder of Houdini is AP. Designed by Jpop.
Owners of RAZA and AIW will be compensated after MG delivery and after the Houdini launch.
Compensation for those games is undetermined at this time and no time line given.
RAZA will most likely be built and limited to the 125 owners. Again, built for Zidware and no second run. However, options to swap into Houdini may be given to RAZA / AIW owners.
Kim
Thanks for sharing Kim....Hopefully we can close this bad chapter soon.
Quoted from pinballrockstar:Well well well...positive news on pinside.
Possible "potential" positive news on Pinside. I've heard nothing from anyone and I'm still out more than 9k to JPop. My Warm and fuzzy feeling is pretty cool right now.
Quoted from Fulltilt:Possible "potential" positive news on Pinside. I've heard nothing from anyone and I'm still out more than 9k to JPop. My Warm and fuzzy feeling is pretty cool right now.
We all feel that way...but i've been hoping since the meltdown and i am still hoping.
Maybe i am somewhat too excited, but i want to receive something for my $
Apparently they cancelled their Expo seminar?
I guess not having a flipping game would cause a riot.
Quoted from jwilson:Apparently they cancelled their Expo seminar?
I guess not having a flipping game would cause a riot.
False.
Rumors were floated last night that the seminar was canceled. Another was the seminar was private, invitation only. I sent Scott Goldberg a text to confirm and we had a laugh. Both are untrue and it's more industry dirty tricks.
And for the record, the Stern Batmans, all 3 of them on display, are not flippable games. No riots were had.
Quoted from Mr68:False.
Rumors were floated last night that the seminar was canceled. Another was the seminar was private, invitation only. I sent Scott Goldberg a text to confirm and we had a laugh. Both are untrue and it's more industry dirty tricks.
And for the record, the Stern Batmans, all 3 of them on display, are not flippable games. No riots were had.
False, I rioted
Quoted from schwarz:Seminar starts now correct?
Soon. The proceeding seminar is going long.
Gold Coast
Quoted from fastpinball:They are letting the speaker before run very long. Intentionally? Hmm.
Aaron
FAST Pinball
American Pinball are here in the room and waiting.
Quoted from Mr68:American Pinball are here in the room and waiting.
Yeah. Sitting right near me. I only implied that they may love to have a "shortened" time slot.
"Any questions?"
"Yes. I have a 5 part question."
Aaron
FAST Pinball
Quoted from Mr68:American Pinball are here in the room and waiting.
What are they wearing?
Quoted from schwarz:No stream for this one that I can find, too bad...
Pitty not expecting a great deal but would be nice to hear it from the horses mouth so to speak, as a lot of "interpretations" will be added by commentators here.
Quoted from Cheeks:Can't someone there throw up a quick periscope stream? As we all saw from the JJP reveal, it doesn't require much technical expertise.
Jpop has a new and improved periscope mechanism. Unfortunately it is in pre-production until Expo 2019.
Quoted from cavalier88z24:Room is packed for a Friday morning. Lol
Should of charged admission, could of been the first step in helping recoup people's monies
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