AP has dug nothing.. Talk is cheap. I don't think giving them "a shot to make it right" is anything other than another stalling obfuscation of the continuing con.

But zidware isn't bankrupt.. they have liabilities and fiduciary duty to repay those debts. They can license or sell their assets, but must do so in a way that represents the company's and their debtitor's interests. They can't just give away their assets to another company and say "see, look, we have nothing.. now go away". The JPOP saga isn't over, even if American Pinball does well on their own. The interaction between zidware and them would be scrutinized even if AP doesn't directly assume zidware's liabilities. Companies in debt or bankruptcy can't simply give their assets away to friends to protect them from being seized to cover their liabilities.

Before laying an money down you will want to do more than just shoot a few shots. I think opening the hood to see what the new company will be supporting is in order also. While the appearance of a new pin out of the blue has created shock and awe this company is talking about throwing a lot of money around and can go under.

If your distributors didn't know about this game what are the sales and support model?

I wonder if they contracted with Jim (Applejuice) to continue his work on programming? If they don't have a dedicated programmer I can't see this getting released for at least 6-9 months.

Forgot coded well too. This game is nothing without code, animations, mechanics, a manufacturing line, after-sale support, and most of all: restitution for burned AIW, RAZA, and MG customers.

No, dump TOM and replace with PM

90 years since his death. No image rights anywhere, even the US.

Yea but that fully assembled game wasn't cheap.

Man, this looks really really good! Cant believe this was held under wraps. We seem to know everything everyone else does months to years before, but they kept the lid nice and tight. If it flips well and has good rules, i have to say i am in.

Like... send money now?
(Where is Teekee, by the way?)

I highly doubt it's "fully assembled".

I know hope springs eternal but to me, any company that would get into bed with JPOP after the ineptitude and deceit he showed on the MG and RAZA projects loses the benefit of the doubt.

I see Wolverine.

You'd buy from Hitler if he built something that looked decent.

I highly doubt you ever have any clue at all whats going on.

Wow wow wow.

You people have the shortest memory of any collective group that I've ever seen. Only in pinball can you watch people be bent over, f---ed until you bleed enough to go to a hospital, then as soon as you're released, line right back up for more.

Unreal.

In for a GWr!!

Volkswagons?

This site says there is no Houdini estate, for whatever that is worth in fact.
See last faq:
http://www.wildabouthoudini.com/p/faqs.html

"Does anyone own Houdini's name and likeness?
No, there is no formal Houdini Estate."

Yeah well I was just capturing things in a nutshell; hence my comment not vaporware.

Wow, someone really dropped the ball on some decent money there.

I remember reading that Houdini left a lot of his magic props to his brother, and in his will stated that they must be destroyed upon his death. His brother sold it all off instead and much of it burned later in a fire.

I T O L D Y O U S O!

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/jpop-update-thread%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6mg-raza-and-aiw%e2%80%a6?tu=sadsack#op

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-official-pinside-skit-b-predator-discussion?tu=sadsack#op

Yes, from what I understand Fraudulent Conveyance is a transfer of money or property to avoid debt. I think in this case any transfer seems to be done to provide buyers with what they purchased and not to delay or hinder payment of goods. But if you like lawsuits, go into a long costly legal battle with hopes of recovering something from JPOP. And when you win, you still have to try and collect. Or give AP a chance to make someone else's mess right and give you the machine you at one time wanted. I don't really care either way, I'm gonna wait and see what AP does. So far, looks like they have made some decent progress.

It wasn't foamcore

How can a game look so far along and not flip?

If it doesn't flip, it's fake. I don't care how pretty it is.

Nobody is saying that we should go out and buy it. What I'm seeing is people saying proceed with caution AFTER the MG, RAZA and AIW folks are taken care of. I see a community coming together.

Yeah if the above is true, which I personally think it is based on my research too, the Houdini name is fair game.

Well if JPOP is behind it........ We all know he loves to do things ass-backwards.

I knew a girl like that once!

PM me her number

It probably "flips" but is not complete. Anyone remember the first WOZ reveal?

You can tell a few of the hype-monsters have raging boners for this game already. Look, it's OK to think it looks cool...but REMEMBER REALITY. Remember the Jpop ponzi scheme. Even if you weren't ripped off by Jpop or don't care about those who did, do not PRE-ORDER or give AP a cent unless there is tangible evidence this game PLAYS, plays WELL, can be manufactured well, manufactured soon, and shipped. If anything shitty happens, no one will have any sympathy for those who just jump on this considering the facts.

It is so sad that people really don't change. The nice people stay nice, the optimist stay positive thinking, the dumb stay dumb and the crooks stay in business. Zero chance you will eat your hat. I'll do one better and eat soiled under ware.
so many red flags still make you hopeful, kind, wishful and delusional.
Bill ownes rights now to the Magic Girl IP?? if yes and they did not contact him that picture of some 16 cabinets is just like if Kevin showed 16 Preditor cabinets. AP is basically saying let's just put ourselves wide open to lawsuits!
John is as well, and I think it shows enough additional intention to defraud that it will be much easier way to put him away!
Seeing how the Justice system seems to be totally failing.

I could be wrong but do not think this thing right from the start was ever published as a risk, a venture, a gamble, an investment.

I am starting not to want those people whole. I am just wanting JPop to get what he deserves.

folks seem to be keeping the doors opened for these shenanigans.

Blinky lights in a pretty box?? Where is the soundtrack, sound effects, rules, parts suppliers, warranty (oh this should be good).

Come on people really

Hotel room reveal wtf

im magic

It probably does.. but may have fatal mechanical issues not sorted, or they simply don't want the thing breaking down. Or the software is so crude you don't want to expose that yet.

Plenty of plausible legit reasons to keep people off of it... just none of them really awe inspiring.

Arugably if they were working on MG first... could be reason for Houdini to be further behind in development. But plenty of reasons to still be cautious about their final output

I think WhoDini is also available.

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I'm buying this game!!!

Welcome to the party! You're about 135 posts late.

Oh... Working lol

yeah, it worked, had decent code, flipped and shots were makable.

Flippers were a little weak and unbeknowst to all there were light board issues to be fixed. All in all, pretty minor issues. Comparing jpop to JJP reveal is pretty silly (but expected for you I guess?)

I wrote that $$ off a long time ago

If they can make it work out for everybody that's great

Still there are too many other good options out there for me

I'm sticking to Stern and JJP for now because as hard as it is to produce a pinball machine it appears it's even harder to properly code it and make it great.

$7k? No I'd take a Stern premium all day every day

Still I'm interested to see how this plays out

Erich Weiss is Spinning in his Grave at that image of him! He would have hated the hair!!

A massive amount never was burned or destroyed. When Dash died, his widow decided to find a home for
Both collections. I was involved in the beginning transfers, and it was a very massive amount, and I saw only the surface of the collection.

Gotcha. But I like the pretty lights and I just know it's going to be the bestest ever. Where do I pre-order so I don't miss out?

Pics of said hat, just in case.

If it works...maybe.

BUT i think AP is not foolish and knows that JP lets many unfortunate pinball fellows angry.
So i can't imagine AP asking money If they are not ready to ship.

This is the best opportunity for those who were stolen to get their money back, whatever they order or not this pin, whatever the agreement it could be concluded between JP and AP. JP gets this opportunity, repairing his mistakes. I don't know If the case is in justice but it is better to sue a person that has money than none.

I'd buy one when its ready to ship. No pre ordering for me.. If it's limited run, I'll buy someone and pay the mark up for my risk of waiting. Hope they succeed, hope mg gets shipped

.....and if done right by those made wrong, and its been vested, and its available and ready, Id buy, after playing, and code, and bugs worked out.....

Its a theme I would have never imagined being made, but I think Ive read every book ever written about him, and he was one of my childhood idols, as a young Magician.

I sucked at it, but good memories.

A pin with this theme, has a good chance of long term success.

Nice!