I have to say I can agree with Kaneda’s wonka turn. The game is gorgeous and has the play field, but the code was off. Seriously a lack of clips. Woz set a standard that we all expected wonka to imitate and it just didn’t. Worst was knowing they had full assets but decided against using them like they did in woz or hobbit. I can totally see how he first played it, got excited with expecting a woz like experience, and then it going a totally different direction.

Now that said, I can also agree with Derek that odds are if he would have stuck with his wonka purchase, he probably would have loved the game. You have to give these games a real chance to really make a decision.

I can understand some people not caring, but many do including myself. If potc has full assets I would own one. It’s still an awesome game, but fell short in that department for many. Same with JP, great game but people hoped for video. I’m a little disappointed with tmnt not using actual show footage like bm66 did. Doesn’t mean I won’t buy any of these games, but also makes it easier for me to pass on them sometimes too. Everyone is different.

My only problem I can’t figure out with wonka, was that they had the assets, but chose a minimal amount to use due to “getting repetitive “. Can you honestly understand that thinking? Seems like by using fewer clips, you would in turn see the same clip more often.

And don’t mistake my opinion for thinking any of these games are not any good. I actually really like all the ones I mentioned, but just saying assets are important, but can definitely be worked around. Wonka again though, they have all the assets and the game is lacking several key elements in the code.

Ha, That’s kinda how I got with Star Wars “hi I’m like skywalker I’m here to rescue you”, and I don’t even own the game. The only thing is that the alternative to the wonkavator clip would have been an animated clip that eventually gets just as repetitive. Everything gets repetitive, so again more clips the better to spread the repetitive ones out.

I would also argue that the age of lcd screens have ruined people’s expectations for a new game. When the idea of lcd in pinball was discussed it was always the excitement of how real footage could now be used instead of dots. Woz set a high bar, hobbit blew it up. Ever since the expectations have probably lead to disappointment for many. JP did an absolute amazing job of recreation with animation and I ended up really appreciating that game even after an initial disappointment of lack of assets. I just think these companies need to fully commit one way or another with each game and not just use a few clips or call outs mixed with in house animation.

I seriously love our hobbit but I can see how some don’t and that’s ok. The great thing about jjp games is the vast variety and different feel of each one, allowing many people to find one that they like. Can’t wait to see the next couple jjp games!!!

It’s going to be tough deciding between my favorite franchise tmnt vs my favorite band gnr made by my favorite pinball company. Wish I could get both, but literally nothing I want to sell either to make room. First world problems during a global pandemic.

I honestly disagree. Yeah it didn’t show anything in detail, but let’s be honest, when you think of who will innovate or wow you, you think of jjp first. What this video did was it made me pause. I was all in on tmnt, and I’ve been seriously excited to see it for a year or so, but gnr is my favorite band, and it was also long awaited. After seeing tmnt, not being blown away, yet still wanting one I was ready to order my premium. The video then hit, and I remember why I love jjp games more than others. With a huge gnr theme, and Eric designing it, I can’t help but want to see it before deciding between the two. So, yeah, it worked and I thought it was simple, yet great.

This bttf hope is not worth your time. Kaneda’s already seen the long rumored gnr game. The amount of amperage to power a seriously big concert is the hint. Bttf from jjp would be epic though. Can’t wait to see gnr hopefully soon.

It will be more than just bose, but the Bose news is pretty sweet.

Seriously, why is everyone jumping to conclusions that Bose is the only innovative thing coming? Who’s the designer? Oh yeah, Eric. You think his only creative abilities are to upgrade the speakers? Seriously people.

I would have probably bought this game!

“Special version of game on sale today”? WTH where is it then

Fake news

I want both either way regardless which one is first. Just get something out for us jjp.

You guys are hilarious! So you guys had interest in these rumored titles for over a year now, but because jjp doesn’t deliver on exactly your timetable, your no longer interested? Sure stern has delivered better games lately, but I’d wager you’ll all be coming back once you see the next two jjp games. Jjp doesn’t need 4 mediocre to good games per year. They only need 1-2 killer titles every 12-16 months. I’ve been tempted to consider a tmnt or JP2 but when I see the quality issues, and bom, I’ll take quality over quantity every time, and I can’t wait to see both gnr and TS. Check that....I can wait.

Be honest. Don’t you think we would have seen gnr by now if not for Covid combined with the move. I’m excited and anxious too, but for guys to say jjp is in trouble, doomed, missed the boat, totally screwed and so on is really ridiculous. They have a billionaire owner with a passion for the business/hobby. Billionaire with a B! How exactly are they in trouble again? Do tell.

The owner is quoted on a podcast talking about how jjp has been making money for sometime already. The factory is busy turning out wonka, do production is happening.

As far as everyone always trying to say every stern is money out of their pocket, well, they aren’t releasing 4 pins a year, so why is every new stern the “opportunity “ for jjp to release. If jjp doesn’t take advantage of the “opportunity “ during ST, tmnt, avengers, then it will be the next stern title that has to deal with it. What’s the difference? If jjp puts out a quality product that people want, it won’t matter what game stern has or what time it’s released as long as factory is staying busy.

Correct about the wonka. However if you actually listen to the owner, he clearly states that the business has been profitable for sometime now. Pretty sure jjp is doing just fine and obviously doesn’t feel the need to rush out the next game just because a bunch of Pinside outsiders are all knowing of their business. If the wonkas weren’t selling, they would have quickly changed up to the next game.

I never said “really well”. I said profitable. Listen to him on the jjp podcast for yourself. As for wonkas not in high demand, probably true, but again if there was a huge problem not selling games, they would have sped up the release of gnr. Outsiders don’t know anything.

But, but, but they said there isn’t any demand for wonka?!?

Glad all the Pinside gurus have better business sense than the Billionaire owners.

Ridiculous accusations and jumping to conclusions on this site. LMAO

Lol No, but it’s insanity. Lmao
Makes me wonder how these billionaire owners ever had any success without these Pinside brain trust groups knowing and sharing exactly what the next move should always be for these business owners . SMH

I’d sooner think they have way too many wonkas leftover and demand is low. Time to release something else jjp. Don’t know what they’re waiting for

I’m wondering if it will be this next week. There wasn’t a jjp podcast last weekend unless I missed something, so are they getting something ready or just run out of things to talk about? I really think we see it this month and I’ll be ordering immediately. Can’t wait!!

I would buy a potc if reissued at retail prices, but No way in hell I’d pay the huo asking prices these days. I’d rather have 2 other new pins than just one, and I love jjp and potc. 15k would get you a jjp le nib and a stern pro. Nope! Now, bring on gnr do I can place my order jjp.

God I hope so

I wouldn’t pay over 10 for a potc. If they do eventually release another 500, the huo market drops drastically on potc. It would bring prices back to retail prices at least. If they release a special black pearl edition like a wozybr for 11.5, that would be tempting but still probably out. Just too much money for us average joes on one game.

October great, but I wonder why they said September was going to be a great month with lots of stuff, yet pretty much nothing this month. Oh well. Can’t wait for October now!

Didn’t wonka win best theme? I gotta say I love all of their themes with exception to DI, and even that one I like. Stern doesn’t hit every theme either. How relevant is munsters, Batman 66, black knight? They re-did themes like rehashed JP, rehashed tmnt, and rehashed Star Wars, avengers? Some themes are timeless and can be remade, and honestly most of them probably deserve a remake like potc, Star Wars, Jurassic park. It’s all personal choice, and I can’t wait to see gnr and toy story.

Eric just posted “the calm before the storm “ on fb. Maybe this week?

Correct

I only wish wonka did have more of the iconic songs and scenes in it. It has some, but it could have had much more, and I would have bought one.

Have they ever said how many games can be made each week at the new factory compared to the jersey site?