That's disturbing.

Ah the JJP one man police force has spoken. Not allowed to critique in a JJP thread.

What a joke.

TMNT and GnR, Hot Wheels. Man talk about lame, and not sure what Spooky is doing but they haven't made a good pin yet as far as I'm concerned.

These are called opinions, and we are free to make them. How dare anyone tells someone else to leave a thread because there opinion doesn't coincide with their own.

I love these comments. If u say a kiddie type theme is kiddie ur a "badass cool guy".
Don't like DI's lame characters and sparkly cell phone ur a "badass cool guy"
that's weak, last week.
Soy boy mentality at its best.
I agree Maiden isn't for everybody, but neither is Wonka. U know this could be why people have trouble with the JJP fanboys. U can't say anything. They are like the feminists of the pinball world. Watch, I'll be deemed a troll for my opinion. I just want to see this "innovation" and excited to see GnR pics/videos.

Wow, u really need some help.

How about looking in the mirror.

The comment that proves my point. Never said that.

So its ok to hate themes unless its JJP? U guys are the best. Keep saying trolls to everyone who has any issue with JJP and u simply strengthen my views. I mean fuck face above used the Canadian card.

What a joke.

Hey Romulus its another troll. Get him.

Ur quite right sir, in fact this whole site is mostly based on and fun due to the banter. I love it.

That shoe doesn't fit. U cut off the rest of what I said. Nice try.

Well I can't argue with that. Its tough to make any kind of comment regarding upcoming games and how one person loves something and another has no time. Vs threads. "a dark day for stern" remember that? its all stupid. Its a giant toy for giant kids. The last thing I want to be is rational. I'd like to hear this announcement and see GnR. This is all a bonus, and I likey.

I was close to this the other day. Way too much steak and cheesecake and J Walker Black, I made it but it was close.

U want me dead don't ya?
Sorry but u couldn't kill me with silver bullets and a wooden stake.

What is it?

Very Strange.
Never heard of this before.

That's what is strange, I was part of the opening and rented many great under the radar classics but never ever saw this title. Ah well, I'm going to have to look into it.

Ah sweet Beta,
I'm very old.
With the balls to prove it.

Yep
She was so much better, a little thick, large breasted and young. Actually I'd love her older, a little thick, large.....u know.

A spectacularly stupid comment Sir.

Its not a great pin but it isn't crap. I like GnR the least and Batman the most of the 3 but none of them are crap.

That's a work of art? It looks like a coat rack with painted slabs of beef hanging off.
All I can think of is how much better the TMNT layout would be if it was Fathom 2. With that classic art style and creepy ambiance. I much prefer modern gameplay but 100% prefer that Fathom era when it come to art and theme.

Is it?
because u can deal with it doesn't mean its a loss for those who can't. There's no loss when u don't want it in the first place.

To play, yeah I agree 100% its a great game but I'll never buy it.

Why not just release a few pictures even of an unpopulated playfield at this point. Maybe there's licensing stuff going on.

Yeah but it wouldn't be the same game anymore, a stripped down DI however they make the cuts to achieve that Stern Pro price point might not be as enticing. Also have u played a TNMT or JP2? I have no interest in either really due to theme or DI for that matter but what exactly separates the 2 in ur estimation?

No idea what that means.

That's fine but it doesn't answer my question. Don't care anymore anyway.

How long does that last before it becomes nothing more than a nuisance and a time waster? For me not very long. I'll take another spinner or magnets or something that manipulates the ball on the fly any day.

Wow.
Where did I say taking care of pin is a nuisance or waste of time?
Does haven't to be a good response, but it should at least make sense. If it doesn't make sense, yeah I don't care anymore.
I think ur translator from German to English is on the fritz sir. Fritz?

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I thought so.
Just kidding.

No its an old picture and they are wishing him well. Well all know what the next JJP title is.

No sir.
I liked it the first 50 times it happened, then it got boring. If it doesn't give me something to shoot for the effect wears off kinda fast. Physical ball locks is the same thing, I prefer a more non stop style. That's me, if u love "Thing" now as much as when u first saw it happen, hey that's nothing but great. The whole point was................. who cares anyway.

I think its Klingon for Friday Night.

Well that's just stupid. Whats the advantage to not letting people see at least the PF art?

That's gonna happen regardless not to mention its fun to bitch about stuff. I just wanna see it.

What, How else would they get them there? Or r u assuming they don't have any games built and in stock at the factory in Jersey that aren't pre-ordered?

Yeah I bet they have a large stock of pins in the building, sold and waiting? Maybe but regardless..........
I think it might be time to absolve this thread. Once we start talking about this stuff better it dies and is reborn with "first look at GnR" threads. I'm done anyway.

Any idea on why they can't show some pictures at least?

U think there were GnR's on that shipment? I don't

Sorry I thought u worked there.

That's a great reason. Lets not show any pictures and create some excitement, lets not possibly get some pinsiders to wait on buying something else cause they just fell in love with the look of GnR. Come on man.

That's nothing but excuses. Of course expect some delays, but not one picture yet or sneak peak of a feature? Just a 3 month teaser vid
Now I agree JJP games have much more going on but if Stern made a pin with all that going on it wouldn't take any longer than any of there other games.

No.

If that is the case or its art that needs to be approved etc. How about letting people know. I don't think its that anyway. They know GnR is for us old timers that grew up with the 80's 90's stuff, what if the new album sucks? Did anyone actually like Chinese Democracy? I thought it stunk and its doubtful they are gonna put out a classic at this point. All I need is Appetite and Illusion.

I agree but heres the problem. That extra cost doesn't automatically mean its more fun to play. If it was I could see it and for alot of people I'm sure it is. I think JJP needs to downsize, concentrate on more streamlined game and have a model that can compete with the Stern Pro. I mean if they are making good money doing what they are doing then great, continue on. I wonder what POTC would look like if they had to make it with the Stern Pro budget? (take it easy fanboys just a thought) Obviously not as loaded but I think I would still enjoy it. I would prefer it with the rocking ship and canon. I like shot but don't any spinning pirates or colored lights and all that. Ah who cares.

R u saying then it would cost the same as a Stern Pro cause I would have bought one without that ship. I don't like upper PF's, I don't need full color changing RGB or toys on the PF. I would like to see one model of the JJP games equal in price to the Stern Pro. That's all I'm saying and who knows that could be on the horizon.

I agree but there's no problem. What problem is it for me if JJP doesn't try to appeal to that individual who can't afford the high end stuff. I can, if JJP releases a pin with a theme I really like I'll buy it. It was simply a thought and I knew it would be misconstrued by really either u or Panzer but thats par for the course on any JJP thread.

You r correct sir.

Exactly and they are more fun as a result. U old timers just can't handle the speed.

That's just what an old timer would say.
I get it but I never look at it via "bill of materials" with in reason of course, if I try it and like the game play I might buy it. Toys interactive or not mean nothing if the overall experience isn't there.

Maybe he wanted a new pin to play didn't want to wait anymore. Spite? that's just stupid.

Wow are u naive. Its hard to keep money saved for a lot of people. Its also hard to want a new pin to play and have to wait with no info on release. What r u talking about?

Considering the lame state of music that makes sense. Are there even "touring bands" anymore. Seems to be all HipHop and computer generated real shitty pop music. Rockin

I think maybe they are in trouble with GnR because of the wait and general lack of enthusiasm as a result so lets push out a PL pin with a more universal theme right now. Its just disappointing, I may knock JJP because of theme's but that's mostly cause I know they make a better game in terms of stuff and quality and it sucks that the next pin from them isn't Predator or something Sci Fi with an edge. Damn.

That sucks.

From what? GnR is not a political band. They lived a RnR lifestyle because and this is a shocker, they are a RnR band. Unless I'm unaware of some ideology the band holds that mind offend what is the issue?

This could be the reason for the possible change in theme if that's true. Zep doesn't take more GnR off the table, it pretty much kills it. I like GnR but they are no Led Zeppelin, JJP knows this and if its so they also no how it will impact sales. Zeppelin by Steve Ritchie? Come on now.

Stern this without JJP and JJP that without Stern is all crap but I will say I wouldn't be on pinside if it was only Stern or JJP. The JJP vs Stern fanboy and every moderate take in between is what makes this site fun and engaging. Otherwise is just fanboys sucking each others dicks and that can be tedious and quite disturbing in the literal sense. Look at this thread, how many posts over a 1 min long teaser almost a year old. I love it.

Oh yeah. I though I had read it will a be year in Oct. I guess it was a different thread. Maybe that's when they announced GnR? 3 months is still 2 long.

I can'e believe u said that and then Skyemont agree's

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That's what I expected. Its laughable cause u and Skye both have some serious Stern hate, I don't give a shit about Stern. I'll buy whatever appeals to me. U guys on the other hand police JJP threads like ur part owners of the company in disguise. Boring and tedious to say the least.

This is non baby animation.

Toy Story?

Its not a question cause I don't care about JJP or Stern. I bash Stern when they deserve it also. Stern makes themes, very few mind u but still ones i like and JJP does not. Thats the only reason I don't own a JJP game. Good day to u sir.
I said good day.

Didn't say I didn't enjoy it. This is what keeps me coming back to this thread. I might disagree with romulous but thank sweet innocent baby jesus for him, and Skye and Panzer. This site would be so fuckin boring for me without them, I can't even fathom it.

Good.

We are but open minded doesn't mean we will agree with everything someone says.

Who exactly r u referring to, and what does it have to do with Pinball? Let alone Canadians

I would agree but not due to the advanced game but because of price. What do think would happen to Stern without the Pro model? I wonder what percentage of Sterns sold are Pro's? I bet most. I don't believe the demand would be there anymore for 3 games a year without the pro. JJP makes a high end premium product for a certain kind of collector and player and might reach 2 games a year. If they start really selling and the demand is there do really believe they wouldn't figure out a way to get 3 out a year. Supply and demand my friend. I have no idea but I wonder what a stripped JJP model that could compete with the Stern Pro price point would do for that company. How many pinsiders stay away from JJP just for cause of the price? Then there's theme choice, regardless of what certain fellas think I really want to buy a JJP machine but maybe time to break out of the kiddie stuff.

Just because a Billionaire owns the company doesn't mean he's gonna suck it up and take a loss, quite the contrary. I don't think JJP will fold anytime soon and when they do release TS or GnR as usual many nay sayers will jump all over it if its great. The issue is their methods right now, I mean give ur customers something tangible that will buy some time, If you think the Avengers pin isn't going to take profits away then ur living a dream world.

Not sure its a good thing when ur wife and child are more rational than u.

I hope so. I don't want them to fail.

I don't think anybody is saying that, I'm not cause I have no idea what u mean but in this instance I think it will impact the next release, not to the point that it puts them out of business, the wait for some has gotten ridiculous. Is that really hard to believe?

R u out of tree sir. Stern doesn't have a threat right now although it would nice if they did. Might bring prices down a bit.

Isn't a case that you and a few others are hell bent on JJP dominating the industry? You know just because people critique JJP doesn't mean they want them to fail. I just don't understand how u can't see pinheads getting frustrated with the timelines, explain that to me? Even this comment will be deemed as hatred for the company, and I'm a Stern fan boy all that crap.

That sounds like the most uncool thing ever.
Sorry I couldn't resist.

Exactly.

Is that a Bill Burr "maaan" ?

I never got the "Build Quality" thing either. Not saying JJP doesn't make a premium product but if its so great then how come they don't dominate. Again enlighten me.

See. "better JJP" Its not that Stern has the upper hand. JJP has zero chance of over throwing Stern at least for the foreseeable future. Sorry to be the one to let u know that but its just the way it is, again as per my previous comment above, If JJP is better then why aren't they on top. Could it be they are better to a much smaller minority of players than u can handle? thus all the horseshit. keep in mind it wouldn't matter to me if through some series of great releases they did get the upper hand. I buy what I like and never go by the manufacturer. Oh yeah.

Yeah the theme sucks. What a great layout. Imagine it being Robocop or The Predator. Is it just me? I mean I kinda remember watching the cartoon but sweet Mary. I get it if u have kids and they love TMNT and the wife lets u buy it as a result, then u have a new pin to play, otherwise how and why? Don't hit me the too cool shit, that's not what I'm saying here. Who among us wouldn't prefer the next JJP machine to be lets say Terminator 1984 over Toy Story? Man would I like to see what JJP could with that.

you know this is why I can sympathize with the JJP fanboys to some degree. They want all pins to be in the caliber them deem superior, well u should try living in my shoes with only really 1 in every 10 or so pins being a theme I actually like. Its sucks. Then again I would be pretty destitute if all these companies were making pins with themes I dug. No that's I lie, I'll gladly eat rocks and sand for a JJP/Stern line up of good themes.

They need to have one model that's in the same price range as a Stern Pro. I really believe that would help.

Yeah I starting having some drinks pretty early on Friday.

That doesn't matter.
If JJP releases "Tend to the Manure Pit" pinball machine. Where u shovel shit for big points and it releases a scent of manure from the backbox, it would be all about the innovation and "Build Quality".

I wish.

What?

That ship has sailed.

Its nice to think those companies are threat to Stern and I wish they were but they aren't. Stern isn't rushing anything out with any fear what so ever. Deeproot hasn't released anything yet, most buyers are very skeptical of any new company when it comes to pinball. JJP is a one game a year company. TMNT sales are over for early buyers then it becomes a waiting game for everyone else, for finished code or finance and how does it exactly hurt Stern if someone buys Avengers.

That has absolutely nothing to do with why I said "What".
Then again I'm quite used to u making any post into a apology for JJP weakness or Stern bashing or just general horseshit. So I'll use it here as well.
What?

Can u please name me a released Deeproot game. What strength's do they have? U know in this business its not irregular for a company to release a game or 2 then die.

Wow.

Stern doesn't have a competitor right now, stop with this shit. This isn't Stern army fanboy rederick either and for 2 reasons, I don't particularly enjoy Stern themes and thus stay away from most releases, 2nd, fuck them. Jesus H. there's American P and Spooky and JJP all around for years yet they haven't affected the Stern Juggernaut. Just the way it is and doubtful it will change anytime soon. I'm not saying they aren't aware of other manufactures or even release dates but I doubt its of any real concern.

Lost revenue from other companies in the same field is impossible to avoid, there's no way to eliminate that without monopolizing the entire pinball market, what I'm saying is the boutique manufactures of which JJP is one doesn't affect Stern's business in anyway that would cause them concern. Here's the thing, I wish these companies would because competition will only result in better games all around.

R u ok?
I don't what to make of this. Maybe its time to lay off the drink or smoke or whatever ur doing.

I like that. Although be aware "time being" has been about 6yrs now.

4 me it was bowling alleys, poolhalls, arcades and it was great but I was a teenager, skipping cool, smoking hash that can't be my reality now. I buy for the house and love that as well. Playing these modern games loud and in the right lighting with much better rule sets, if ur feeling the need to play a game because u payed a lot of money for it, in other words forced then sell that game and get something new. Frankly at this age 45yrs and loving it, I don't want to go to a bar and smell food and hear dickheads talking around me, u can barely hear the pin and and I generally dislike people. Not saying I hate them but I feel better when there not around.

Again, I just don't what to make of this comment. U don't feel this playing at home?

Well I hope u know I was saying that I've been nothing but right for 6yrs now, my time on pinside. GnR will most likely be made very "family friendly" and the other title is a kids movie so not sure where ur getting "moving away from just family titles" thing. As for "heading in the right direction" what exactly is that a teaser 3 months ago followed by nothing? Nobody wants to see JJP start making some pins with some adult themes more than me, seems like a waste of what is a great pinball manufacturer. Alien comes to mind, I know that dickhead from Britain fucked up the first try but get the IP and make a premium version of it, that's moving in the right direction. Think of the excitement from pinheads with an announcement of JJP #6 Alien.

Well I think they should have known from the beginning that being in a "small box" was foolish. What was the reasoning 4 that I wonder, because if they released some more adult orientated themes people would stop buying the Family Friendly ones?

"Fawlty Titties"

There's nothing "fawlty" about them and she is smokin hot. Man u Scandinavians are literal. The joke went right over ur head.
That means u didn't get the joke by the way not that it literally flew threw the air over ur head.

It should be less in my opinion, but yeah at least equal to a Stern pro.

Not that hard to sell out 500 with that theme.
I don't think they should sell it for less, its just at that price for what I see and in my personal opinion its not worth it. I do think R&M has some great modes, look forward to trying one out.

Yep.
If Spooky makes something with a theme I love I'll pay it as well.

Yeah but this is fun.
If threads were locked due to the lack of "real news" there wouldn't be any threads to post in at all. U know as well as I do its very easy to know when a real announcement is made. Sure this thread will explode but there will many others started that day. There's usually one small piece of news then 100's or 1000's of posts of pure crap, and I love it. Join in the fun or stay away.

JJP fanboys, God love em.

Maybe in Germany.

There's not one thing I ridicule because I secretly want to be part of it. I ridicule it because it should be ridiculed and enjoy the reaction. Nice Try.

I'm a fanboy of JJP fanboys, because of the ridiculous comments and apologetic nature of any failing's from JJP not too mention the policing of all comments that aren't 100% positive for JJP. It makes my time here so much more enjoyable. I have owned over the last decade about 120 pins from every manufacturer with the exception of JJP, I was in on the Hobbit and very excited about it, till I played it. For someone who doesn't own any pins to bring up my 1 pin, well that's just ridiculous and I often go from 7 or 8 to 1 and back again. Now lets get back to talking about how u are already aware that GnR is going to be "Game of the Year".

U guys make it too easy sometimes.

Oh is that what this is? I think after the first week it was no longer a JJP thread outside of title. There was 30 sec video that showed nothing with nothing to follow to date, I'm just having some fun here. Also wasn't aware a lot posts makes u you a fanboy. Another nice try but.........

I would love that.

Yeah that was good, here let me continue with this high brow humor.

Women be shopping.
Take my wife? Please

Ur guys are the gift that just keeps giving.

Ah the Fanboys, Bright people as well.
Man that went right over ur head didn't it. Well we all get old there's no shame in that.

Why did u hide them?

It was effective. But not in the way the teaser intending. More genius at work here.

With the exception of DI and WOZ I've owned all those games some more than once. This is getting good now, r u guys gonna try to take me down? It won't end well for you at all. But I'll have a blast.

Ouch.
This is gonna be tougher than I thought.

I figured after the confusion of ur last comment regarding my "humor" observation I better add the "Sarcasm" emoji.

U know sometimes u cross someone who's able to bring out another persons true colors. That someone is me. This is ur method? to try and make another pinsider feel bad about his 1 pin collection. I had 24 pins in my house at one point, sometimes 10, maybe 4 and what difference does that make? no matter how much I might have disagreed with another pinsider I would never have brought his "lonely" collection into it. What if thats all he could afford? I can buy whatever I want believe me. All u have done sir is prove what JJP fanboys are really about, this is why I love to be in these threads.

Did that go the way u thought?
Nope.
Good day to u sir, I said Good day.

That a boy.

First a lack of pins compared to ur "huge" collection makes u better, now being American makes u better. Ur going down fast here. Maybe time to take a break?

I could crush that "Canadian too" comment especially right now with whats going on but I won't.