Also...for operators it would probably be nice to check audits, and get notifications of mechanical issues - or needs service.

For home use, having connectivity for code updates, scores, etc would be a nice improvement. Not sure what else WiFi could do - and maybe has nothing to do with their innovation announcement anyway. Also...maybe being able to turn on a news feed to get JJP news and pinball convention announcements/hype. You would be able to turn it off, but it may be cool to see the pin 'online' in that way.

The innovation is likely something really cool in GnR ...

Not sure if they are going there or not, but I am confident that JJP will allow you to turn off things like that.

Agree. Deeproot and JJP talking about and delivering tech is totally different.

I like all the JJP pins. However, my second favorite of all of them is the hobbit. Guess my first?

Hint: the designer has an E in his first name

Sorry, it’s been so long....what are we supposed to be excited for? I forgot...

Well this marketing attempt by JJP is a bit of a swing and a miss. We are in here talking about a movie from back in the 70 called a boy and his dog - and not your pinball machines...

I mean really, WTF!?!?

JJP's initial Hobbit PF images - it was night and day the revisions they made to that PF after initial reveal. And I think that helped with sales tremendously. Also, the VUK covers were hideous, and the Count Smaug / Mountain collar wasn't too good. Good idea, but not a good look. All corrected by JJP before the first production pin was built.

I am a fan of prototype reveals to the public before production. I have seem major corrections done, and even small corrections like misnamed dwarfs in Hobbit to spelling / font errors on others - all corrected by more eyes on the prototype.

I would prefer toy story over gnr but who knows, gnr might be amazing

Not exactly the best group to be compared to. But yeah, JJP is no where near that bad...

I don't even consider Deeproot a pinball company. Until they give solid communication and delivering product I don't have any interest in them at all.

While JJP could do better with the followup on the tease, they certainly have a good history of building and delivering amazing pins!

Sounds like there may be issues with the band license. Toy Story seems like it would be up next if there were 'issues' with GnR...I am excited to see whichever is next.

This is true as a band - but JJP pins are very interesting and quite the spectacle. Even though I much prefer Zep to GnR, but I would need to play both pins before I would buy.

Hearing about and seeing WOZ is what got me back into Pinball after not playing since college (20 years ago at that time). I then started looking for pins out in the wild. Then played TRON (my personal favorite Stern game), and found out about JJP making a second game (Hobbit). I placed a pre-order and still have it today.

So JJP is what got me back into pinball. Still really like the Sterns, but there is something special about the JJP machines that set them apart.

Agree - POTC is next on my radar, unless TS or GnR grabs me.

The lack of follow up on the hype trailer is a bit sad. I am a JJP fan and look forward to any news of new pins or products. But I keep watching Stern with new pins and announcements that build excitement and interest. I know JJP is hard at work on building new pins and products, but maybe they should spend a few moments to give some exciting news to keep the buying public engaged...

I'm your Huckleberry

I think the hobbit is one of the best fucking pins ever made, and the fact that it isn't in the top 5 on Pinsides Top 100 makes it painfully obvious you bastards don't know what the hell you're talking about!

So, do I get the job?

I'll need to run a JJP fan boy test on you...

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I guess you're OK.

Not sure your point. There are a ton of hobbit parts that are "out of stock".

http://store.jerseyjackpinball.com/Parts/The-Hobbit-Parts/

Are you saying they are overstocked on Hobbit parts? Because that is clearly not the case.

I don't know if there is demand or not, or whatever. All I am saying is that they are out of stock on a lot of Hobbit parts, and don't have several that I want to buy. Take it for what you will.

Maybe if or when they build more pirates you will have more in stock - for a while anyway. Either way, I don't think JJP will keep lots of parts on hand for any of their pins. If they don't rerun pirates then the out of stock parts for pirates will be much like hobbit and stay out of stock. If they have a surplus that is news to me as I have called them and they don't have any.

This is my understanding as well. I am surprised they haven't made more while waiting to get GnR or Toy Story cranking. I guess they want to make more Wanka's and Woz's instead?

My understanding is that Joe (and other JJP distributors) have been asking for JJP for more POTC for a while now. Not sure if he is hearing a reason why JJP won't make more.

Maybe Joe can chime in on it...

Like this whole thread, I don't know why JJP does what they do and why they don't build or stock things people want to buy.

But I don't know how to run a pinball company. However, I did start and own a successful software consulting company I sold 4 years ago to allow me to retire early I know how to build a software company, but not a pinball company.

So maybe JJP is doing the right things...at least I hope they are, and they have a reason for doing what they are doing.

My 2 cents would be to communicate better, and build more of what people are wanting to buy.

Good points, but I think JJP would have to do pirates rerun at 10K or less or they won't move them in the numbers they would need to. If they are going to try to take advantage of a few willing to pay 12K for it they are probably wasting their time. 9.5 would probably sell well enough to make it worth while. If JJP has a pin where the BOM and build require it to be 12K they are losing the pin battle and are cost prohibitive to the consumer that have other options for product.

I 'think' you have POTC buyers around 10K but not 12+K. That is the issue.

That is why, in my opinion, if JJP has to charge 12K they should not bother. I know for me I will not buy any pin that is more than 10K. I don't care what it is. There are just way to many pins that I would like that are well under 10K, and I certainly don't need a JJP POTC that bad.

Some of you guys have a shit ton more money than I do so my 10K ceiling is not yours. But I don't think I am in the minority on the "prices are getting too damn high" issue.

9.5K - we already talked about this!

j/k

This is a good, lost point. I have considered building a small JJP collection with just standards.

This thread is officially a shit show...fat jokes, grammar police, and music haters - and that is just on the last page.

I would prefer a JJP World of Warcraft ... but I would settle for a D&D

Yeap

Nah, you chose the faction and race

After Hobbit they ran the hell out of drop targets :/

I have only watched it twice...lol

Anyway, I was kind of thinking about passing on GnR and just waiting until the next one (Toy Story). But I am blown away by this pin - I think the SE is priced just right for what you are getting and that is what I will likely go with.

I knew with Slash on board assets wouldn't be an issue - and man was I right. A really great looking - and sounding - pinball machine.

I thought the Hobbit promo video was good 5 years ago, but the GnR one is even better!

Seems like they still have the same announcer.

My guess is that the respectfully asked everyone to hold off and let Buffalo Pinball be the first to stream gameplay.

I thought it was 4 as well... Anyone know which 4?

Maybe they think you leak worse than a screen door on a submarine! LOL

Just kidding

I would recommend that you play the crap out of that Wonka with the playfield on it now. Then 10 to 15 years down the road spend the money to replace the playfield to the brand new playfield, deep clean the parts and replace the plastics and you will have a new pristine Wonka pinball to enjoy all over again

The claw machine for sure

JJP's The Hobbit originally had the design to do just that - but Peter Jackson didn't want Smaug to 'breath pinballs onto the playfield' so they moved it to a virtual lock.

At least that is my understanding.

I don't think it was that...it wasn't allowed was my understanding. I also think the original plan was to have a bash toy as well and that was taken out - that may have been a cost cutting move or too similar to the WOZ witch (not sure)

Along the lines of too similar to WOZ. I think the VUK wire forms we originally going to cross over the playfield like WOZ (and it was decided to return to the flipper on the same side as the VUK)