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New ideas for White Water topper?

By Princev911

8 years ago


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#451 3 years ago
Quoted from Gibranx:

Shit, they haven't been producing since 2012.

"Bonjour Monsieur

Merci de l'intérêt que vous portez à l'Héliophore mais hélas nous ne produisons plus ce procédé depuis fin 2012

Bien votre
Tanneguy de JORNA

IMPRIMHELIO"

I pretend nothing and continue with plan B.

that's too bad... did they provide alternate options maybe? Happy to french it up with him if you need

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#452 3 years ago

With permission from WILLIAMS / PPS
Copyright WILLIAMS / PPS
Not for sale.

this is my hand made reproduction.
I think is a good start.

#453 3 years ago
Quoted from Gibranx:

With permission from WILLIAMS / PPS
Copyright WILLIAMS / PPS
Not for sale.

this is my hand made reproduction.
I think is a good start.

Sweet! Lets see it in action with the proper lighting!

Extremely impressed!

#454 3 years ago
Quoted from dsuperbee:

Sweet! Lets see it in action with the proper lighting!
Extremely impressed!

So the question is this.

I have the sequence of handmade lights and when I ordered the bulbs they didn't send them to me like the originals.

This video is made with the led light of the smartphone. If you see in my videos on Vimeo, you will notice old tests where I had made everything with another material almost identical to the original.

There the light reflected better. Now maybe I try to do a test with the old material, above all to understand if it is good for a mass production.

Returning to your initial question, I have already done some tests with the lights on this waterfall.

They didn't satisfy me 100%. Maybe with led lights it would be, absurdly, better? Or should I also use lights at the top as a frame? Or is it the fault of the material?

I can tell you that technically it is very similar to the original, from the test with the smartphone it behaves almost identically. (Technically 100%, from the artistic point of view there are differences)

I have to understand if the problem is the material or my lights.
Or the fact that having made it by hand I did something wrong.

I want perfection!

#455 3 years ago
Quoted from Gibranx:

So the question is this.
I have the sequence of handmade lights and when I ordered the bulbs they didn't send them to me like the originals.
This video is made with the led light of the smartphone. If you see in my videos on Vimeo, you will notice old tests where I had made everything with another material almost identical to the original.
There the light reflected better. Now maybe I try to do a test with the old material, above all to understand if it is good for a mass production.
Returning to your initial question, I have already done some tests with the lights on this waterfall.
They didn't satisfy me 100%. Maybe with led lights it would be, absurdly, better? Or should I also use lights at the top as a frame? Or is it the fault of the material?
I can tell you that technically it is very similar to the original, from the test with the smartphone it behaves almost identically. (Technically 100%, from the artistic point of view there are differences)
I have to understand if the problem is the material or my lights.
Or the fact that having made it by hand I did something wrong.
I want perfection!

Maybe somebody has a spare light board so that you can hook it up and simulate how it would work in game. But now that I think about it, I don't know how hard it would be to get the light board working without the rest of the PCBs.

#456 3 years ago
Quoted from Gibranx:

So the question is this.
I have the sequence of handmade lights and when I ordered the bulbs they didn't send them to me like the originals.
This video is made with the led light of the smartphone. If you see in my videos on Vimeo, you will notice old tests where I had made everything with another material almost identical to the original.
There the light reflected better. Now maybe I try to do a test with the old material, above all to understand if it is good for a mass production.
Returning to your initial question, I have already done some tests with the lights on this waterfall.
They didn't satisfy me 100%. Maybe with led lights it would be, absurdly, better? Or should I also use lights at the top as a frame? Or is it the fault of the material?
I can tell you that technically it is very similar to the original, from the test with the smartphone it behaves almost identically. (Technically 100%, from the artistic point of view there are differences)
I have to understand if the problem is the material or my lights.
Or the fact that having made it by hand I did something wrong.
I want perfection!

Just an FYI, I performed several tests on the waterfall effect on my WH2O topper using LED lights and also using the standard #194 incandescent light bulbs and the waterfall effect looks much more pronounced using standard incandescent light bulbs. With the LED lights the waterfall effect is reduced and doesn't look nearly as good on my WH2O topper.

Gord

#457 3 years ago
Quoted from GRB1959:

Just an FYI, I performed several tests on the waterfall effect on my WH2O topper using LED lights and also using the standard #194 incandescent light bulbs and the waterfall effect looks much more pronounced using standard incandescent light bulbs. With the LED lights the waterfall effect is reduced and doesn't look nearly as good on my WH2O topper.
Gord

yes, this has been discussed in the past. LEDs do not work correctly on the effect.

#458 3 years ago
Quoted from Gibranx:

With permission from WILLIAMS / PPS
Copyright WILLIAMS / PPS
Not for sale.

this is my hand made reproduction.
I think is a good start.

Very impressive!!
Hope you can get that produced, would make a lot of topper-less owners happy

#459 3 years ago
Quoted from Gibranx:

With permission from WILLIAMS / PPS
Copyright WILLIAMS / PPS
Not for sale.

this is my hand made reproduction.
I think is a good start.

Amazing work. Just take my money now. Consider me down for a preorder.

#460 3 years ago
Quoted from RusticatedBelt:

Amazing work. Just take my money now. Consider me down for a preorder.

I'm sorry, I don't sell anything, I only deal with finding a solution. I hope you can buy it through Williams - PPS and its official dealers.

1 week later
#461 3 years ago

Hi Rygar
i have send pm to you about your original topper.
All ok?

#462 3 years ago
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#463 3 years ago
Quoted from Gibranx:

Hi Rygar
i have send pm to you about your original topper.
All ok?

Yes, sorry, I was busy in the meantime.

5 months later
#464 3 years ago

hope everyone is safe in their respective countries. Just wanted to see how progress is going.
Like every topless WH2O owner, I'm itching to see these hit production so I can fork over my $ to whichever rights holder is going to be selling them.

2 weeks later
#465 3 years ago

Watching this with great interest. Fantastic work and dedication to a worthy cause!

11 months later
#466 2 years ago

Any news or update? Gibranx

#467 2 years ago
Quoted from mastercello:

Any news or update? Gibranx

He sold his process/design to CGC for their WH20 remake, so he can't talk about it here anymore.

(no, I have no actual inside info...but it sounds good, doesn't it?)

#468 2 years ago
Quoted from mbeardsley:

He sold his process/design to CGC for their WH20 remake, so he can't talk about it here anymore.
(no, I have no actual inside info...but it sounds good, doesn't it?)

That would be awesome...or PPS took it over and will procude it too?!?

#469 2 years ago
Quoted from mastercello:

That would be awesome...or PPS took it over and will procude it too?!?

His process was manual. Without proper tool, they won't start any production.

#470 2 years ago

Peter, don't destroy my last hope...

1 month later
#471 2 years ago

This is over?! no news?

#472 2 years ago

yup, another fail!

#473 2 years ago

I was part of a team that had a meeting with PPS & FAST and it was suggested to us to do a topper for White Water. That team fell apart, PPS isn't doing toppers but wanted others to do it.

Sounded like someone is also creating the game as well.

#474 2 years ago
Quoted from swinks:

Sounded like someone is also creating the game as well.

hu? Do you mean like a remake from CGC?

#475 2 years ago
Quoted from hisokajp:

hu? Do you mean like a remake from CGC?

He alluded a few things but nothing definite but stressed White Water, suggested 6 remakes in the next 2 years (that was mid last year) in some form or another from a number of business. My guess is:
1 - Fathom - Haggis
2 - Funhouse 2.0
3 - White Water
4 -
5 -
6 -

I had a number ideas and had started on a WH20 topper but then stopped when the team fell apart

2 weeks later
#476 2 years ago

Never lose hope! I've had a lot of problems, but now it's time to rethink this project in search of a solution.

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#477 2 years ago

I am in contact with a company specializing in laser micro-engravings.

They can engrave any material in the order of a few microns and make engravings even not visible to the human eye.

I have to prepare some small tests and I will do it in these weeks.

After a bad and difficult period, for me, due to family issues, it's time to get back to work.

I hope to keep my promise, forgive my long absence.

#478 2 years ago

This is great news. Please let me know if you need the topper again and I will send it to you. It is still in the crate which you made for it.

#479 2 years ago

Rygar, you have already done so much for me!

I don't need it, I've photographed it hundreds of times.

Today I logged in here on the forum, I read some messages. I was very sorry that I stayed for 1 year. However, a new attempt, now I can do it. A company told me last year that it couldn't laser engrave aluminum.

But just today, coincidentally, I spoke to a company that does jobs with greater precision. He told me that it would cost a lot to engrave a topper of that size with that precision, and that even a laser would take hours to work.

But the owner of the company told me, after I told him my story, that he wanted to give it a try.

So now I have to write an email these days, show him some videos, send some photos and make a small sample by hand.

Then I have to finish a small vector sample to do a print test that he kindly will do for me for free.

#480 2 years ago

Meanwhile, I bought a rare print with the original French heliophore method, which I discovered is not the same one used by dufex. So maybe I can discover something new!

The print is expected to reach me around April 20.

#481 2 years ago

All great news, hope you can find some solution, let me know if you need some help or a topper.
Keep the good work

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#482 1 year ago

ugh, this thread.

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#484 43 days ago

Nice to see legit topper action happening.. don't forget Gibranx who had it going a few years back.. if only someone could get this mass produced!
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-ideas-for-white-water-topper/page/4#post-4697098

#485 43 days ago
Quoted from Kneissl:

Nice to see legit topper action happening.. don't forget Gibranx who had it going a few years back.. if only someone could get this mass produced!
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-ideas-for-white-water-topper/page/4#post-4697098

Has there been a new development? It doesn't look like there's been any significant movement in over 2 years.

#486 43 days ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

Has there been a new development? It doesn't look like there's been any significant movement in over 2 years.

Over in the club thread someone referenced a guy in another forum making like 50,000 etches by hand and the end result is pretty good.

From the Whitewater club thread:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/whitewater-club-lifejackets-not-required/page/158#post-8167690

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/whitewater-club-lifejackets-not-required/page/158#post-8167810

#487 43 days ago
Quoted from daveyvandy:

Over in the club thread someone referenced a guy in another forum making like 50,000 etches by hand and the end result is pretty good.
From the Whitewater club thread:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/whitewater-club-lifejackets-not-required/page/158#post-8167690
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/whitewater-club-lifejackets-not-required/page/158#post-8167810

That's impressive...too bad it's all manual work. Part of the issue of reproducing the topper is trying to re-create a die for the waterfall effect so that the foil can be reproduced. Unfortunately, it looks like that's not going to happen since the guy was carving each line manually by hand.

There was a really good explanation on how the waterfall effect works, though: https://www.aussiearcade.com/topic/102695-white-water-pinball-topper/

#488 43 days ago

How difficult would it be to make a die using a 3D printer?

Is there material available that would be durable enough to make more than a handful of foil prints?

#489 43 days ago
Quoted from Bohm:

How difficult would it be to make a die using a 3D printer?
Is there material available that would be durable enough to make more than a handful of foil prints?

The layer lines would need to be completely invisible and the die material would need to much harder than the material that you're pressing onto it.

#490 43 days ago

Some impressive work by the OP in the aussie forum. Shame that its done by hand but it does look pretty good.

#491 43 days ago
Quoted from daveyvandy:

Over in the club thread someone referenced a guy in another forum making like 50,000 etches by hand and the end result is pretty good.
From the Whitewater club thread:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/whitewater-club-lifejackets-not-required/page/158#post-8167690
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/whitewater-club-lifejackets-not-required/page/158#post-8167810

The original one was done completely by hand also and then a die made. I actually talked to the guys family who did the original to see if he still had the die or an original drawing. I tried to find a way to do it about 5 years ago using some new print technology. Boiled down to having to have a manual version done to make a die. Insane work.

#492 43 days ago
Quoted from daveyvandy:

Over in the club thread someone referenced a guy in another forum making like 50,000 etches by hand and the end result is pretty good.
From the Whitewater club thread:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/whitewater-club-lifejackets-not-required/page/158#post-8167690
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/whitewater-club-lifejackets-not-required/page/158#post-8167810

woops i meant to post this in the wh2o thread. Thanks to the links.

#493 42 days ago

I respect everyone that's trying to recreate the foil (because I get that some want to keep games stock to preserve history). I've been following this thread and thought about this for a while. At one point I had considered recreating the animation digitally and just have a looping animation running on a very wide screen. Then a few months ago I thought "I have a 3d printer, I build mods.. Why not make it actual 3D like a lot of manufacturers are lately, so I've been working on it.

Since this thread is active again I figured I should share where I'm at. Keep in mind this isn't 100% done (I still need to get the guys on the raft modeled), but I do have a solution for animating very vibrant water falling, I've sourced a nice acrylic case to keep the dust out, and the trees you see in the model are just placeholders (I've also sourced realistic scale model pine trees) Here's the renderings:

I've always been fair with pricing on my mods (print time and labor) and I plan on continuing that with this as well.

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#494 42 days ago

That's a very cool idea. But why not make it fit in the original plastic dome, rather than sourcing a different case.

The dome is still available, and has the benefit of already attaching to the head properly.

#495 42 days ago
Quoted from mbeardsley:

That's a very cool idea. But why not make it fit in the original plastic dome, rather than sourcing a different case.
The dome is still available, and has the benefit of already attaching to the head properly.

Agreed 100%. Not going to put new holes into the head.

#496 42 days ago
Quoted from toyotaboy:

I respect everyone that's trying to recreate the foil (because I get that some want to keep games stock to preserve history). I've been following this thread and thought about this for a while. At one point I had considered recreating the animation digitally and just have a looping animation running on a very wide screen. Then a few months ago I thought "I have a 3d printer, I build mods.. Why not make it actual 3D like a lot of manufacturers are lately, so I've been working on it.
Since this thread is active again I figured I should share where I'm at. Keep in mind this isn't 100% done (I still need to get the guys on the raft modeled), but I do have a solution for animating very vibrant water falling, I've sourced a nice acrylic case to keep the dust out, and the trees you see in the model are just placeholders (I've also sourced realistic scale model pine trees) Here's the renderings:
I've always been fair with pricing on my mods (print time and labor) and I plan on continuing that with this as well.
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Until someone can properly recreate the foil, or at least find a substitute waterfall effect, making an entirely new topper is the way to go.

#497 42 days ago

Looking good! I'd probably forego a case altogether

#498 41 days ago
Quoted from mbeardsley:

That's a very cool idea. But why not make it fit in the original plastic dome, rather than sourcing a different case.
The dome is still available, and has the benefit of already attaching to the head properly.

Quoted from MiniPinHead:

Agreed 100%. Not going to put new holes into the head.

Good point. The acrylic case I was sourcing was around the same price (out of stock on marco, but planetary has them). Ordered one, I'll likely have to make adjustments to fit inside a different sized box.

#499 38 days ago
Quoted from toyotaboy:

I respect everyone that's trying to recreate the foil (because I get that some want to keep games stock to preserve history). I've been following this thread and thought about this for a while. At one point I had considered recreating the animation digitally and just have a looping animation running on a very wide screen. Then a few months ago I thought "I have a 3d printer, I build mods.. Why not make it actual 3D like a lot of manufacturers are lately, so I've been working on it.
Since this thread is active again I figured I should share where I'm at. Keep in mind this isn't 100% done (I still need to get the guys on the raft modeled), but I do have a solution for animating very vibrant water falling, I've sourced a nice acrylic case to keep the dust out, and the trees you see in the model are just placeholders (I've also sourced realistic scale model pine trees) Here's the renderings:
I've always been fair with pricing on my mods (print time and labor) and I plan on continuing that with this as well.
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This is great and seems like the only logical next step as the original is just way out of reach.

#500 38 days ago
Quoted from toyotaboy:

I respect everyone that's trying to recreate the foil (because I get that some want to keep games stock to preserve history). I've been following this thread and thought about this for a while. At one point I had considered recreating the animation digitally and just have a looping animation running on a very wide screen. Then a few months ago I thought "I have a 3d printer, I build mods.. Why not make it actual 3D like a lot of manufacturers are lately, so I've been working on it.
Since this thread is active again I figured I should share where I'm at. Keep in mind this isn't 100% done (I still need to get the guys on the raft modeled), but I do have a solution for animating very vibrant water falling, I've sourced a nice acrylic case to keep the dust out, and the trees you see in the model are just placeholders (I've also sourced realistic scale model pine trees) Here's the renderings:
I've always been fair with pricing on my mods (print time and labor) and I plan on continuing that with this as well.
[quoted image]
[quoted image]

Would love to see some photos of the finished product, if it's as cool as I picture it, I'm down for one.

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