(Topic ID: 229496)

New Display Kits for Williams Games - Review


By oldschoolbob

11 months ago



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    #1 11 months ago

    A while back I was working on a Williams Flash game. I had everything working except two displays. I decided to replace all the displays with new LEDs. I was searching for the best price when I remembered Wolffpac Tech. He makes Bally / Stern display kits. I made several of those kits. They’re nice displays, easy to assemble, and work very well. I contacted Dave at Wolffpac and asked why he doesn’t have Williams display kits. He said he considered them but doesn’t have a Williams game to test them. I offered to test them in my game and sent him my old displays. A couple of months later I received back a full set of prototype displays to test.

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    They worked great but needed a few adjustments. I advised him of my findings, he made some changes and he now has kits for sale. You can get them in red, orange, or blue. They are available on his website (https://www.wolffpactech.com/) and on EBay.
    I got one of the first sets of display kits for my Flash game. Good old USPS did a number on the box but the contents were well packed and no damage was done.

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    It only has a few components and was super simple to assemble. The instructions were complete and easy to follow.

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    Just like the original, the main display has all the electronics – 14 resistors, 7 capacitors, and 9 IC’s. And of course 4 LEDs. The only difficult part (for me) was getting those IC legs inserted into the holes.

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    Lately I been using Blue-Tack. It’s like silly-putty. It holds the components in place while I solder them. Works really good.

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    After a short time I had the main display completed.

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    Then I moved to the slave displays. The LEDs pretty much dropped in. But a word of caution here – the LEDs can be installed upside down.

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    Always check your work before soldering. Fortunately I caught this in time.

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    After I completed the displays it was time to install them. One thing we learned from the prototype was the LED’s are thicker than the glass. This moves them too close to the glass. To remedy this Dave provides shorter spacers behind the display board.

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    I replaced the original spacers and installed the new displays. They fit just like the old glass displays and worked first time.

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    I’m not a pinball professional and don’t have a lot of experience with electronics but I found these displays very easy to build. And the feeling of accomplishment when complete is great. If you have a soldering iron you can build these. Plus this would be a good way to learn. Just keep checking your work. I use an 8X photo loupe because my old eyes aren’t as good as they once were.

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    This has been a fun and rewarding job. Give it a try.

    Bob

    #2 11 months ago

    Cool, I could have used this a couple months back, but already bought a Rottendog.

    The one thing that I didn't like about the LED displays is the off segments are way too visible, but with some polarized panels I was able to minimize that. It softens the brightness a bit, but a good trade off.

    The third picture shows a stack of something that looks like that might be panels? Does this come with something to accomplish the same? If not, I can make a marketplace ad for some, or contact me if you need any. Here's a couple pics demonstrating one display without filter and one with.

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    #3 11 months ago

    Great info. Bookmarked for a future purchase. Only thing it’s too bad they don’t have a way of adjusting brightness like some others do.

    #4 11 months ago

    I wish System 7 kits were available.

    #5 11 months ago

    I have rottendogs in several machines but think the reds might look better in Gorgar. Saved.

    #6 11 months ago

    very cool. my wms games have been tearing through 6 digit plasma displays the last few years.

    #8 11 months ago

    Awesome! I've been needing to replace them on my Flash and I don't mind a bunch of soldering to save a few bucks. I've never been crazy about how the LEDs look compared to the original, but I'd rather get all my displays working right in general. I liked the Bally kits. I wish I could just plug in the displays I need, but I'm sure it all has to be replaced.

    #9 11 months ago

    HighVoltage,
    I didn't think the off displays were that much more visible than the original displays.

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    Those are not filters in the third picture - they're foam bezels that cover the LED's. Keeps them from touching the backglass. The center areas have to be pealed off where to numbers are.

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    Wolffcub,
    I didn't miss having non-adjustable brightness in this case because I replaced all the displays. Adjustable LEDs might be necessary if you were trying to match old displays with new displays.

    Trey,
    I talked with Wolffpac about making displays that could replace just the slave displays and still work with the original master display but the cost would be much higher because of the additional electronics. For the cost of these kits I'd rather replace the whole bunch and be done with it.

    Bob

    #10 11 months ago

    Was told you can’t run some led and some stock non led units together so does the reason for adjustment hold true ? Turning them low makes them look older and old and that’s kinda cool. I installed window tint to the back of my glass and had to turm them up a bit but it made them look awesome. They don’t look like leds anymore and appear to have softer edges. I mostly like it because you can’t see the unlit areas now

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    #11 11 months ago

    You can mix LEDs and plasma displays on Bally / Stern games. The electronics are on the individual displays. The Williams has all the electronics on the master display - can't mix them.

    The window tinting looks great. What tinting shade did you use?

    Thanks

    Bob

    #12 11 months ago

    Bob,
    Thanks for the kind words and helping me get these out the door. I couldn't have done it without you!
    Just wanted to point out to everyone else that they come with foam bezels that go on the displays that makes them look even better (IMHO).

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    #13 11 months ago
    Quoted from oldschoolbob:

    You can mix LEDs and plasma displays on Bally / Stern games. The electronics are on the individual displays. The Williams has all the electronics on the master display - can't mix them.
    The window tinting looks great. What tinting shade did you use?
    Thanks
    Bob

    5% limo tint is what I used.

    #14 11 months ago

    Would love to help if you would consider making these for the system 6 and system 7, 7 digit games.

    2 months later
    #15 9 months ago
    Quoted from Wolffdp:

    Bob,
    Thanks for the kind words and helping me get these out the door. I couldn't have done it without you!
    Just wanted to point out to everyone else that they come with foam bezels that go on the displays that makes them look even better (IMHO).[quoted image][quoted image]

    @wolffdp any chance you will be making these for Williams System 7 games such as Black Knight?

    3 months later
    #16 5 months ago

    wolffdp any chance you will be making these for Williams System 7 games such as Black Knight?

    #17 5 months ago

    We will have the following kits at Pinfest

    We will have Williams System 7 - 7 digit at the show. Presently we only have orange.

    Note: presently these will not work on machines that have more than 5 displays.

    All kits are being offered at Pinfest discount pricing.

    In addition we will have:
    Bally/Stern 6-digit in orange,red,white, green, blue

    Bally/Stern 7-Digit in orange, red, white, blue

    Williams System 3-6 in red, blue, orange

    Coming Soon ( but not in time for show )
    Williams System 11
    Williams System 118/D-21610
    Bally 6803

    If you have other suggestions for future kits let us know.

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    #18 5 months ago

    Forgot to come back to post that I bought the System 4-6 kit for my Flash and the displays look great. The foam bezels make it look super clean. Highly recommend the kit to anyone who needs to replace the displays and doesn't mind an afternoon of soldering.

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    #19 5 months ago

    The blue displays look great on the Flash. Nice job.

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    #20 5 months ago

    I just installed the SYS 7 kit from wolffdp and they look great! The only minor issue I have with mine is that there are a couple of displays that aren't centered with the display windows in the backglass as the holes in the boards can only be adjusted so far. I've moved the backglass all the way to the left, and the leftmost digits on a couple displays barely clear the window. On the plus side, I rarely light up the that (millions) digit

    Also, I'll need to find some type of tinting or filter to put over the displays as they are noticeable when the game is off, again just minor things.

    All-in-all, they look fantastic and am super happy that there is an aftermarket option to replace the old displays. Hopefully in the next revision, some more adjustability of the boards can be built in. Orange was the only color available, but that's what I was looking for anyways and they look like stock when on.

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    #21 3 months ago

    Its a shame they don't ship to Canada.

    #22 3 months ago

    But thru ebay you do! so problem solved. kit ordered!

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    #23 6 days ago

    Is there a way to get your system 11 kit on eBay ?

    #24 6 days ago

    Best to contact Dave directly at https://www.wolffpactech.com/

    Bob

    #25 5 days ago

    He got a hold of me and its all sorted out now.

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