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New Digital Pinball Machine (The King Pin)

By HLD

7 years ago


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    #1 7 years ago

    Last week we attended the gadget show at the NEC and visited our good friends at Bespoke Arcades. They have been working incredibly hard on a digital pinball machine, it's awesome!

    We got some exclusive details about it...

    1) It can hold over 200 pinball games and they have the licence to create classics such as all marvel related ones, terminator 2, attack from mars and loads more!

    2) Price range £4000-5500

    3) Potentially using 3D technology so the pin table will follow your eyes, meaning depth will be created giving it a more realistic pinball feel.

    4) Aluminium brush finish with LED display for scoring. Sounds are incredible and the response of the buttons is incredibly quick, feels just like a real machine!

    You can find out more on our website here: http://www.homeleisuredirect.com/blog/trade-shows-and-events/digital-pinball-machine-at-gadget-show-live-2015-latest-tech-news.html

    Let us know what you think as we can relay this information back and get it to be an even better machine. This could be the ultimate machine for players who compete as it will enable you to practise over 200 games!

    #2 7 years ago

    Hahahahahaha....................Joey

    #3 7 years ago
    Quoted from Breaking_Dad:

    Hahahahahaha....................Joey

    what does this comment mean?

    #4 7 years ago

    "The flipper response and simulated gravity/movement within the software sometimes felt unrealistic, flipping the ball at high speed in a seemingly random direction."

    The problem with all video pinballs.

    #5 7 years ago

    Looks to me like every other virtual pin out there. What sets yours apart from the likes of vpcabs?

    #6 7 years ago

    Sorry could not help myself....been hanging around pinside to long....my mom raised a good kid....then I found this site...now I'm tarnished forever...!!!...Ohh yaa....I was merely being because your acting like these haven't been around for like the last 10 years....but now that I snapped out of my pinside self....I hope you enjoy the virtual pin..............Joey

    #7 7 years ago

    is this any different then the "ultra pin" that was built years ago?

    looks great and all any price point mentioned

    #8 7 years ago

    I've got to ask, why is it that digital pin playfields have this weird 2d/3d mixture? To me they always look very flat and boring. Is this the best that people can come up with to fit the cabinet and viewing angle of the game perhaps? Personally I think the 3d Pinball Arcade looks the best if you are taking this route.

    Personally I would never buy a digital pin, they never hold up game play wise as well as real ones and they never successfully replicate a real machine. I have never understood the appeal of digital pins unless maybe you are very short of space, but then again if you can fit this you can fit 1 real one, and personally I would rather have 1 real one.

    #9 7 years ago

    It is a video game that emulates a pinball machine.
    It is not a real pinball machine.
    Just my $.02
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    #10 7 years ago

    If your gunna hang around here OP...you need some thick azz skin..............Joey

    #11 7 years ago
    Quoted from Breaking_Dad:

    If your gunna hang around here OP...you need some thick azz skin..............Joey

    Dunno, if he went on KLOV and posted about a new commercial mame machine they would roast him alive. This is despite the fact that emulated games are much easier to do right versus virtual pinball.

    #13 7 years ago

    The pinball machine isn't built by ourselves, I'm just pointing out there is a new digital pinball machine coming out soon.

    It does seem different to previous ones as they are looking at making the screen 3D which means you can see depth and not just a flat digital surface.

    I agree with most of you guys that it will never perfectly emulate a real pin. What it will do though is be pretty much near them. When I played it did feel really good for a prototype and what the designer/engineer was saying is that it will be sharper, better lighting and 3D depth. If they can nail that I think it will be the best digital pin. 200 games+ though, can't complain with that if they do get the response rate of the flippers perfect.

    #14 7 years ago
    Quoted from dung:

    Dunno, if he went on KLOV and posted about a new commercial mame machine they would roast him alive. This is despite the fact that emulated games are much easier to do right versus virtual pinball.

    Roast me alive? For simply pointing out there is a new digital pin coming out soon that has some really cool features and the prototype was great...

    I never claimed it was better than a real pin, it clearly won't be but it's just interesting and I applaud the guys at bespoke for trying hard to create the best digital pin

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    #15 7 years ago

    Get it perfect all they want.....we want the real thing....who is paying 5k for a toy they are not into...???....because if they were into pinball...they would buy the real thing.....this is one avenue where technology should just stay out...!!!....there is a reason pins haven't changed in decades.....if it ain't broke...don't fix it....(insert broken down pin joke here)..............Joey

    #16 7 years ago
    Quoted from Breaking_Dad:

    Get it perfect all they want.....we want the real thing....who is paying 5k for a toy they are not into...???....because if they were into pinball...they would buy the real thing.....this is one avenue where technology should just stay out...!!!....there is a reason pins haven't changed in decades.....if it ain't broke...don't fix it....(insert broken down pin joke here)..............Joey

    That is your opinion. I agree the vast majority would want the real deal for that money. It shouldn't hurt you so much that a company is trying to make a real good digital pin tho

    Many people may want to buy it, 200+ games in one machine, seems like a good concept.

    Regardless, it's just some pinball news, I would personally spend 4k on a real one (which I do).

    Have a good day

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    #17 7 years ago

    I'm not anti-VP, because at the very least they allow new players to get into the hobby and appreciate the game... as well as provide some practice for learning rules/tournament games.

    The main issue at this point in time with ANY virtual pinball machine no matter how sophisticated it may be is the lack of good software. Future Pinball and Visual Pinball are good hobbyist products, but neither is refined enough for a commercial product. I assume this product uses these platforms, yes?

    If the Farsight guys (Pinball Arcade) ever release a version of their software for virtual cabinets... that would be something. Pinball Arcade feels the most accurate and playable to me, no contest.

    #18 7 years ago

    Where's PPS?

    This lot have been profiting from HyperSpin/HyperPin setups for far too long.

    #19 7 years ago

    If you're going to sell an $6-8000 virtual cabinet at least spend the $3 to include 2 buttons on both sides.

    #20 7 years ago

    I have build a VP cabinet and the biggest issue I have is keeping up with the newest software and tables authors create/update, either from vpforums or vpuniverse. I think a huge selling point for this or VPCabs is to have some kind of update software installed in the cab the would update core software/tables automatically.

    #21 7 years ago
    Quoted from DefaultGen:

    If you're going to sell an $6-8000 virtual cabinet at least spend the $3 to include 2 buttons on both sides.

    It's not us that are making it, I'm just posting news from the latest tech show in the UK. It has 1 button on both sides, Most pins have one button on each side. correct me if I'm wrong though.

    Quoted from mwiz:

    I have build a VP cabinet and the biggest issue I have is keeping up with the newest software and tables authors create/update, either from vpforums or vpuniverse. I think a huge selling point for this or VPCabs is to have some kind of update software installed in the cab the would update core software/tables automatically.

    Definitely something I will send over to the bespoke team, I'm sure they mentioned something along the lines of what you just said. I think a virtual pin would be great for some people. No mechanical faults (well less faults) and 200+ games. Nailing it would be awesome, we will have to wait and see.

    #22 7 years ago
    Quoted from horseypin:

    Where's PPS?
    This lot have been profiting from HyperSpin/HyperPin setups for far too long.

    who have been profiting for too long using hyperspin/hyperpin?

    #23 7 years ago

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    #24 7 years ago

    does PPS stand for a company name or public prosecution service for a company abusing tech and abusing the system?

    Sorry I don't know all the abbreviations here, no need to be rude.

    #25 7 years ago

    Pinside.....rude.....nooooooooo

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    #27 7 years ago
    Quoted from DefaultGen:

    If you're going to sell an $6-8000 virtual cabinet at least spend the $3 to include 2 buttons on both sides.

    At least it has a real lockdown bar which is more then I can say for Stern Pro models

    #28 7 years ago

    Well, actually you could be in a SLIGHT legal area here because what I can gather with 3D head tracking you're using Future Pinball, awesome!

    Future Pinball never allowed the use of roms but still uses countless pieces of IP.

    Sell the machine without your BIG SELLING point of 200+games shipped, just like most other VPin cabinet places who don't take the piss.

    You would have to be a serious mug to purchase this for £5K with only 2 buttons and no add ons. Ultimately this is just a wooden box with 2 tv's for £5K.

    #29 7 years ago
    Quoted from HLD:

    Roast me alive? For simply pointing out there is a new digital pin coming out soon that has some really cool features and the prototype was great...
    I never claimed it was better than a real pin, it clearly won't be but it's just interesting and I applaud the guys at bespoke for trying hard to create the best digital pin

    Please read what I said. KLOV
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    But yes they view mame as a kind of evil because people gut good arcade games for mame cabinets. Then again, people occasionally use old pinball machines to make virutal pins.

    #30 7 years ago

    OP....there are a handful of titles that use a second set of buttons..(for magna save)...most are very popular and are a must if you purchase something like this............Joey

    #31 7 years ago
    Quoted from HLD:

    1) It can hold over 200 pinball games and they have the licence to create classics such as all marvel related ones, Terminator 2, Attack from Mars and loads more!

    I'd be interested in seeing some confirmation of the license.

    #32 7 years ago
    Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

    I'd be interested in seeing some confirmation of the license.

    I'm sure they're just using Farsight's Pinball Arcade, doesn't that have all those titles?

    #33 7 years ago

    Pinball Arcade don't have 200+ titles, neither do they do portrait mode like that!

    The flipper response and simulated gravity/movement within the software sometimes felt unrealistic, flipping the ball at high speed in a seemingly random direction.

    That has FP written all over it.

    #34 7 years ago
    Quoted from Aurich:

    I'm sure they're just using Farsight's Pinball Arcade, doesn't that have all those titles?

    May have changed, but last I checked with the VPcab guys, TPA doesn't run on the full size Virtual pinball games. Only the mini ones. That or they didn't have the rights to run it on the full size, I cannot remember.

    #35 7 years ago
    Quoted from horseypin:

    Well, actually you could be in a SLIGHT legal area here because what I can gather with 3D head tracking you're using Future Pinball, awesome!
    Future Pinball never allowed the use of roms but still uses countless pieces of IP.
    Sell the machine without your BIG SELLING point of 200+games shipped, just like most other VPin cabinet places who don't take the piss.
    You would have to be a serious mug to purchase this for £5K with only 2 buttons and no add ons. Ultimately this is just a wooden box with 2 tv's for £5K.

    We don't manufacture the pinball machines mind.... I'm just posting the news

    I'm not trying to sell the machine at all I'm just stating information we got from the expo.. thought the pinball community would be interested in the new developments of this machine. negative or positive.

    I appreciate your comments tho, I see where you are coming from but it was only a prototype they did talk about additional adds ons etc, have to wait and see the final product.

    #36 7 years ago
    Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

    I'd be interested in seeing some confirmation of the license.

    I'm sorry we don't have confirmation of this because we are not creating the machine. The company stated they are using one company whom allows them to use over 200 games such as terminator 2 and mars attack etc. not sure who they were referring too, once I get more details I will let you know.

    #37 7 years ago
    Quoted from HLD:

    We don't manufacture the pinball machines mind.... I'm just posting the news

    Yes I had picked up on that. I just don't like seeing roms, tables etc blatantly being sold in public. Which just strengthens my own case to not put out anything I create.

    Quoted from HLD:

    not sure who they were referring too, once I get more details I will let you know.

    Could be SKIT-B?

    #38 7 years ago
    Quoted from horseypin:

    Well, actually you could be in a SLIGHT legal area here because what I can gather with 3D head tracking you're using Future Pinball, awesome!
    Future Pinball never allowed the use of roms but still uses countless pieces of IP.
    Sell the machine without your BIG SELLING point of 200+games shipped, just like most other VPin cabinet places who don't take the piss.
    You would have to be a serious mug to purchase this for £5K with only 2 buttons and no add ons. Ultimately this is just a wooden box with 2 tv's for £5K.

    The OP has clearly stated he is not responsible for making this game and is just reporting it's existance. Unless he isn't telling the truth I'm confused by people jumping on him as if he's building it.

    #39 7 years ago
    Quoted from KingNine:

    The OP has clearly stated he is not responsible for making this game and is just reporting it's existance. Unless he isn't telling the truth I'm confused by people jumping on him as if he's building it.

    Thanks for that. Yes I'm just reporting the news and we spoke to the creator at the expo and the details I'm saying is what he told us. I wouldn't lie as we have a good working relationship with bespoke arcades, they just want to make a great product.

    They are very creative and build awesome machines we will get more info for you guys from them as this thread has been very productive questions wise. Will get back to you all with specifics

    #40 7 years ago
    Quoted from KingNine:

    The OP has clearly stated he is not responsible for making this game and is just reporting it's existance. Unless he isn't telling the truth I'm confused by people jumping on him as if he's building it.

    Well, they more or less are. Why didn't Bespoke come do this themselves?

    #41 7 years ago
    Quoted from horseypin:

    Well, they more or less are. Why didn't Bespoke come do this themselves?

    Look at our blog, we are a games room specialists and we went to the gadget show and are covering many products we got our hands on.

    We work with bespoke in terms they supply us with some great machines, we have no influence on what the company make or do at all.

    #42 7 years ago
    Quoted from Breaking_Dad:

    Get it perfect all they want.....we want the real thing....who is paying 5k for a toy they are not into...???....because if they were into pinball...they would buy the real thing.....this is one avenue where technology should just stay out...!!!....there is a reason pins haven't changed in decades.....if it ain't broke...don't fix it....(insert broken down pin joke here)..............Joey

    While I don't own a vp cabinet game, there's a market and people buying them.
    They are moving over 200+ games a year, doesn't mean u have to like it...more people playing any form of pinball, on the phone or vp cabinets or the real thing is better then not playing at all. Regardless of the cost high or low.

    #43 7 years ago
    Quoted from horseypin:

    Well, they more or less are. Why didn't Bespoke come do this themselves?

    I don't know. I just wanted to point out what other people seem to be over looking. Your post was the last one I had read at that point and the one that seemed to be most accusatory in tone. I see you do understand it now but still feel it needed to be pointed out. Thanks.

    #44 7 years ago
    Quoted from HLD:

    You better contact all the blogs talking about the new apple watch and ask them why this and that isn't included...

    Behave yourself.

    #45 7 years ago
    Quoted from horseypin:

    Behave yourself.

    hi Horseypin,

    I'm just stating, several of your comments have been very aggressive in tone about legal matters of the product. We are not creating it or have any direct affiliation with the creation of it. We would appreciate it if you didn't keep making out we are creating this product.

    cheers

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    #46 7 years ago
    Quoted from HLD:

    if you didn't keep making out we are creating this product.

    Why are you going round in circles over it? Check post #37 again and again so it sinks in or read it out loud.

    1. Stop peddling roms & tables. 2. Deal with it.

    #47 7 years ago

    1. It was on show at the gadget show. It wasn't for sale. We don't sell it. It wasn't blatantly being sold in public.

    2. Okay sir, I'm sorry our post about news from the gadget show has angered you so much. We just covered the show

    #48 7 years ago

    Roll up, roll up. Future pinball in a wooden box for £5k.

    I just don't like seeing roms, tables etc blatantly being sold in public.

    You're blowing this comment way out of proportion. In general, whether you, bespoke or ebay users.

    If it's not your product (WHICH, YES, YOU CLEARLY STATE OVER 10x ITS NOT) then you have nothing to keep flapping on about.

    #49 7 years ago

    Wait till the night crowd gets ahold of him....lol....look around pinside OP....99% of threads turn into this.....I used to come here for pinball related things when I first started....now this is mostly an entertainment outlet....a lot of it is really funny....so the real me says..."Thank you for sharing your news"....the pinside me says...."Pfff...Thanks a lot for sharing something that's been around for over a decade..get a little better again"........have a great day OP and welcome to pinside....I won't yaa no more....sry dude.....so are you into real pinball...???....if so what do you like....I went from Star Trek...to Iron Man to now my fav is Metallica....have a great rest of your day man............Joey

    #50 7 years ago
    Quoted from HLD:

    It's not us that are making it, I'm just posting news from the latest tech show in the UK. It has 1 button on both sides, Most pins have one button on each side. correct me if I'm wrong though.

    I mean, in my collection alone I have 3 games with more than one button per side (WCS, Shadow, BK2K). Anything with magna-save or that controls a feature (Medusa, SST) would be difficult to play. Not something I'd consider necessary if I was building a virtual pin, but if I was buying one at an insane super premium price, I sure would want them.

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