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New Amplified Subwoofer Kits by PinWoofer


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    #201 77 days ago

    Installed mine with success in 25ish minutes
    (Had to go chase down a set of pliers, or it most likely would have been less time)

    Bally Radical! System 11

    The 12v was the gray / yellow line
    The ground was black / yellow line

    I started with too much bass, and toned it down to where the bass complimented the original highs and mids. I really like the improvement and the fuller sound. The bass can hit hard if you want, but it was too much for the cabinet and muddled the sound too much when turning it up too much. Settling on a nice mix makes the sound more rich and not so much on the high end.

    The routed design on the sub riser makes the install very quick without having to drill any extra holes.

    I’ll try to get a pic soon, although it will look almost exactly like the other installs.

    #202 77 days ago
    Quoted from Chosen_S:

    Installed mine with success in 25ish minutes
    (Had to go chase down a set of pliers, or it most likely would have been less time)
    Bally Radical! System 11
    The 12v was the gray / yellow line
    The ground was black / yellow line
    I started with too much bass, and toned it down to where the bass complimented the original highs and mids. I really like the improvement and the fuller sound. The bass can hit hard if you want, but it was too much for the cabinet and muddled the sound too much when turning it up too much. Settling on a nice mix makes the sound more rich and not so much on the high end.
    The routed design on the sub riser makes the install very quick without having to drill any extra holes.
    I’ll try to get a pic soon, although it will look almost exactly like the other installs.

    I'm thrilled your install went well chosen_s ! System 11 and WPC / WPC95 are turnkey. Thanks for your comments and if you need anything else give a shout!

    #203 77 days ago
    Quoted from Chosen_S:

    Installed mine with success in 25ish minutes
    (Had to go chase down a set of pliers, or it most likely would have been less time)
    Bally Radical! System 11
    The 12v was the gray / yellow line
    The ground was black / yellow line
    I started with too much bass, and toned it down to where the bass complimented the original highs and mids. I really like the improvement and the fuller sound. The bass can hit hard if you want, but it was too much for the cabinet and muddled the sound too much when turning it up too much. Settling on a nice mix makes the sound more rich and not so much on the high end.
    The routed design on the sub riser makes the install very quick without having to drill any extra holes.
    I’ll try to get a pic soon, although it will look almost exactly like the other installs.

    Congrats!

    #204 72 days ago

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    #205 71 days ago

    I like the addition of the amp; missing on just speaker options. I added a complete PinballPro to my Metallica and it's too 'bassy' and the top end gets drown out of the mix. Thought about going back to stock until I found this today; I'll assume your amp will not integrate well with an off-the-shelf pinball speaker set up due to it being 12v and not 5v? Interested in options for a music purist (well, the best that a pinball machine can deliver without PinSound).

    #206 71 days ago
    Quoted from Chosen_S:

    Installed mine with success in 25ish minutes
    (Had to go chase down a set of pliers, or it most likely would have been less time)
    Bally Radical! System 11
    The 12v was the gray / yellow line
    The ground was black / yellow line
    I started with too much bass, and toned it down to where the bass complimented the original highs and mids. I really like the improvement and the fuller sound. The bass can hit hard if you want, but it was too much for the cabinet and muddled the sound too much when turning it up too much. Settling on a nice mix makes the sound more rich and not so much on the high end.
    The routed design on the sub riser makes the install very quick without having to drill any extra holes.
    I’ll try to get a pic soon, although it will look almost exactly like the other installs.

    Do you have a quick pic on where you got the 12V? Still have to install mine on my Swords of Fury

    #207 71 days ago
    Quoted from Dallas_Pin:

    I like the addition of the amp; missing on just speaker options. I added a complete PinballPro to my Metallica and it's too 'bassy' and the top end gets drown out of the mix. Thought about going back to stock until I found this today; I'll assume your amp will not integrate well with an off-the-shelf pinball speaker set up due to it being 12v and not 5v? Interested in options for a music purist (well, the best that a pinball machine can deliver without PinSound).

    The voltage has nothing to do with the speakers themselves - that 12v powers the amp, which drives the speakers on its own. You can reuse the stock speakers (although they will sound pretty crap)

    #208 71 days ago
    Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

    The voltage has nothing to do with the speakers themselves

    Correct, but I believe power comes into play with the crossover with the PinballPro Bass. More research being conducted, but of course this option looks to be the best.

    #209 71 days ago
    Quoted from Nihonmasa:

    Do you have a quick pic on where you got the 12V? Still have to install mine on my Swords of Fury

    on page 1 or 2 i talked about a 6 kit in a sytem 11, transporter the rescue. you need to verify your 12v and ground to be certain in SOF
    but in transporter 12v is grey wire with yellow stripe, ground was black with yellow stripe.

    #210 71 days ago
    Quoted from pin-pimp:

    on page 1 or 2 i talked about a 6 kit in a sytem 11, transporter the rescue. you need to verify your 12v and ground to be certain in SOF
    but in transporter 12v is grey wire with yellow stripe, ground was black with yellow stripe.

    Thx, will check that!

    #211 71 days ago

    I was about to install a Flipper Fidelity kit in a Metallica or a Sopranos. Would the amp work well with that setup? Would it be better to use the amp on the subwoofer or the cabinet speakers?

    #212 71 days ago
    Quoted from Nihonmasa:

    Thx, will check that!

    Greetings, Switzerland! Note that I included a 6-foot / 2-meter power cable (red/black) in your kit so that you can route to 12V / ground located in the backbox and using the supped T-Taps. I believe I sent you the schematic and connector instructions via-email in early April, but please give me some time to confirm that. (Apologies, I have meetings all afternoon.)

    Swords is pre-Space Station 2 and I do not believe that there is 12V routed to the coin door. (If this is not the case I'd be interested to know for the future reference.) I'll get back to you as soon as I can.

    Email or PM me at any time! PinWoofer@PinWoofer.com

    #213 71 days ago
    Quoted from Dallas_Pin:

    Correct, but I believe power comes into play with the crossover with the PinballPro Bass. More research being conducted, but of course this option looks to be the best.

    Huh? I am totally not following you. If you install this, you don’t need PinballPro anything, although you could reuse their speakers if you wanted to (the speakers with this kit are far superior though)

    #214 71 days ago
    Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

    Huh? I am totally not following you. If you install this, you don’t need PinballPro anything, although you could reuse their speakers if you wanted to

    I'm asking if I can simply tie in this amp to an existing PinballPro system or do I need to remove it and start over. PinballPro already has the upgraded backbox speakers and a decent subwoofer, but there is not a way to fix treble/bass mix.

    #215 71 days ago
    Quoted from Dallas_Pin:

    I like the addition of the amp; missing on just speaker options. I added a complete PinballPro to my Metallica and it's too 'bassy' and the top end gets drown out of the mix. Thought about going back to stock until I found this today; I'll assume your amp will not integrate well with an off-the-shelf pinball speaker set up due to it being 12v and not 5v? Interested in options for a music purist (well, the best that a pinball machine can deliver without PinSound).

    The PinWoofer kit works with any pin and it will work with Metallica. In that title, the 8" sub kit will blow you away. Massive, loud bass. You can go with our subwoofer amp-only kit if you don't want to replace your aftermarket cabinet and backbox speakers. I should note that our subwoofer speaker is a high quality Pyle Driver with dual voice-coil and the sound reproduction is stellar. We recommend using our speaker since it uses both amplifier channels via dual voice coil.

    You may have to deal with an aftermarket volume control depending on what speakers you have in the backbox now. You could go back to stock or other for the backbox, would need to know your setup better. Maybe someone here can comment on the best approach for that.

    Let me know if you have questions.

    https://PinWoofer.com

    Thanks

    #216 70 days ago
    Quoted from PinWoofer:

    Greetings, Switzerland! Note that I included a 6-foot / 2-meter power cable (red/black) in your kit so that you can route to 12V / ground located in the backbox and using the supped T-Taps. I believe I sent you the schematic and connector instructions via-email in early April, but please give me some time to confirm that. (Apologies, I have meetings all afternoon.)
    Swords is pre-Space Station 2 and I do not believe that there is 12V routed to the coin door. (If this is not the case I'd be interested to know for the future reference.) I'll get back to you as soon as I can.
    Email or PM me at any time! PinWoofer@PinWoofer.com

    nihonmasa you can use the supplied T-Taps and 2m red/black cable to access 12V power at the power supply board (1P17) as shown in the image. Please confirm 12V before plugging in the power taps and energizing the amp. Good luck. Let me know if I can be of further assistance and please provide feedback after you are up and running. Thanks!

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    #217 70 days ago
    Quoted from Dallas_Pin:

    I'm asking if I can simply tie in this amp to an existing PinballPro system or do I need to remove it and start over. PinballPro already has the upgraded backbox speakers and a decent subwoofer, but there is not a way to fix treble/bass mix.

    Aha! Thanks for the clarification. You could add an L-Pad (does the PinballPro not have this already?) which would let you dial in a better mix between the back box and cabinet, and essentially gives you precise control over the bass. It lowers the back box volume so that you can increase the overall game volume, bringing the cabinet volume up, and voila, more bass.

    Or use this amp to just crank up the cabinet!

    #218 70 days ago
    Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

    ou could add an L-Pad (does the PinballPro not have this already?)

    Yes, it does have the L-Pad and I've worked on the Pad (at max today) for more backbox, but it needs to go to 11! lol Been chatting with Dan offline and I'll probably grab an amp and add it in the mix. Will have more questions about where/when to tie it the amp; do I remove the L-Pad, etc. I am sure someone has done this ...

    #219 70 days ago
    Quoted from Dallas_Pin:

    Yes, it does have the L-Pad and I've worked on the Pad (at max today) for more backbox, but it needs to go to 11! lol Been chatting with Dan offline and I'll probably grab an amp and add it in the mix. Will have more questions about where/when to tie it the amp; do I remove the L-Pad, etc. I am sure someone has done this ...

    W the L-Pad, you've got (4x) places to adjust balance, not counting any eq the game may have (Spike, for example). It's all about minor adjustments and not overdriving anything. Ended up having to set my L-Pad to 90%, turning input sensitivity down on pinwoofer down (a big deal to get rid of the mud), then adjust output gain of pinwoofer while increasing volume at the coindoor.

    Comes a point of diminished returns, as the larger drivers in FF cab speakers do not react as quickly as the dual coil 8" (transient response), probably due to the lower, single channel power amp nature of pinwoofer (I wouldn't want to bridge both channels to mono in fear of magic smoke effect). You'd need significant horsepower to make the driver move as fast, so things tend to muddy if you get too extreme.

    I don't like the game audio being too overpowering anyway, so when balanced, it does really add a nice "warmth with power" effect. Enjoying mine on 3 games currently (TronLE - perfect soundtrack, STLE w FF, and MunstersLE)...gave me exactly what I wanted and expected.

    #220 70 days ago
    Quoted from PinWoofer:

    nihonmasa you can use the supplied T-Taps and 2m red/black cable to access 12V power at the power supply board (1P17) as shown in the image. Please confirm 12V before plugging in the power taps and energizing the amp. Good luck. Let me know if I can be of further assistance and please provide feedback after you are up and running. Thanks!
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    Will do, still restoring the playfield for now

    #221 69 days ago

    mk6pin: Have you added a PinWooferAmp with FF speakers?

    #222 69 days ago
    Quoted from Dallas_Pin:

    Yes, it does have the L-Pad and I've worked on the Pad (at max today) for more backbox, but it needs to go to 11! lol Been chatting with Dan offline and I'll probably grab an amp and add it in the mix. Will have more questions about where/when to tie it the amp; do I remove the L-Pad, etc. I am sure someone has done this ...

    dallas_pin I'd recommend that you leave the L-Pad in place to keep this simple and to retain the functionality / adjustability that the L-Pad serves now. (Although you may likely keep it at full deflection / volume.)

    To add a backbox amp you'll disconnect the backbox speaker wires from the backbox speakers, and use them as the input to the new amp itself. It is extremely straightforward and you'll be up and running quick. (This is becoming a popular option so I added the backbox amp to the website this morning, btw)

    Please post a photo of the existing speakers. Of particular interest is the connection of the speaker wire to the speaker - solder down or lugs? Post a couple of photos if necessary and I'll guide after that.

    I want to see what you're working with and then can advise on how you'll need to manage the connections.

    Thanks!

    #223 69 days ago
    Quoted from Dallas_Pin:

    mk6pin: Have you added a PinWooferAmp with FF speakers?

    Yep....that's my STLE, referencing the BB balance L-Pad setup. As Dan has stated, it's a bit of a balancing act, but adds a nice curve once everything is balanced. Easy to overdo it w a FF kit installed....always start @ 0 and go up slowly. Amp input first, output to driver second, then Lpad, and finish w overall gain in door.

    "less is more" in this config...little adjustments do alot..found a great sweet spot w mine....

    #224 69 days ago

    Keep this thread going, there are a lot of questions about speakers right now

    #225 69 days ago
    Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

    Keep this thread going, there are a lot of questions about speakers right now

    Spot on! We are selling more and more backbox amps and would like to provide backbox speaker upgrades as well.

    I've obviously got a Pyle account and they offer a lot of coaxial speaker options we can evaluate. If there is another line that guys like I'd love to hear about it too.

    #226 68 days ago

    Has anyone done a side by side comparison of the sound between the PinWoofer sub and a 10" FF sub? I've got a 10" FF in my IMDN pro and would like to give it a boost. While I'm not an audiophile I would like my pin to be sounding as good as it can, especially when rocking 'Maiden.

    #227 68 days ago

    pinwoofer here’s the standard layout.
    LPad: wires from backbox and cabinet speaker join in the LPad. LPad connected to J10 to pick up the signal. So signal -> LPad -> Speakers. Speakers are plug in, not soldered. Crossover is on the cabinet speaker. I assume the Amp would connect out of the LPad before it hits the backbox speakers?
    *wiring is temp right now, as I wanted to see if it was permanent before I strap it in.

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    #228 67 days ago

    Just placed an order for my Munsters Premium. Thanks!

    #229 67 days ago
    Quoted from johnnypinball:

    Just placed an order for my Munsters Premium. Thanks!

    Thank you johnnypinball !

    #230 67 days ago
    Quoted from Dallas_Pin:

    pinwoofer here’s the standard layout.
    LPad: wires from backbox and cabinet speaker join in the LPad. LPad connected to J10 to pick up the signal. So signal -> LPad -> Speakers. Speakers are plug in, not soldered. Crossover is on the cabinet speaker. I assume the Amp would connect out of the LPad before it hits the backbox speakers?
    *wiring is temp right now, as I wanted to see if it was permanent before I strap it in.[quoted image][quoted image]

    dallas_pin attached is a sketch of what I'd recommend for the final wiring diagram. We've done this before on S.A.M. I'll formalize it and post a clean copy to https://PinWoofer.com in the near future. It's not a pretty drawing but it will work!

    Don't over complicate the presence of the L-Pad. It can persist and continue to serve it's purpose. Leave it in place and focus your attention at the speaker terminals.

    Ask if you need clarification.

    Good luck! If you need a full range amplifier kit let me know.

    Thanks

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    #231 66 days ago

    Started the assembly finally.

    As I am using britebuttons which also run on 12V, I will be taking it from there.

    A full solution with what you currently offer + "fair price and not overpowered but better than stock" backbox speakers would be nice.

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    #232 66 days ago
    Quoted from Nihonmasa:

    Started the assembly finally.
    As I am using britebuttons which also run on 12V, I will be taking it from there.
    A full solution with what you currently offer + "fair price and not overpowered but better than stock" backbox speakers would be nice.
    [quoted image]

    I agree and we are working to identify a reasonably priced backbox speaker solution for the wide array of pins.

    Thank you for the suggestion!

    #233 63 days ago

    Just placed my order for JJP POTC LE!

    #234 59 days ago

    PinWoofer headquarters has been busy creating the ultimate dual amplifier kit, complete with backbox speakers and full range mono/stereo backbox amp.

    We'll be offering this kit with turnkey 12v power cables (plug and play) for all modern platforms. Pictured is SAM and we'll move on to WPC/CGC/JJP/Spike-1/Spike-2 in the coming days.

    Dual amp customer feedback are consistent in terms of high sound quality and sound intensity.

    Thank you

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    #235 59 days ago

    Woo glad you got the power cables plug and play. Can’t wait to install my backbox speakers and amp in IMDN. It needs it badly now that the sub is upgraded.

    #236 59 days ago
    Quoted from PinWoofer:

    PinWoofer headquarters has been busy creating the ultimate dual amplifier kit, complete with backbox speakers and full range mono/stereo backbox amp.
    We'll be offering this kit with turnkey 12v power cables (plug and play) for all modern platforms. Pictured is SAM and we'll move on to WPC/CGC/JJP/Spike-1/Spike-2 in the coming days.
    Dual amp customer feedback are consistent in terms of high sound quality and sound intensity.
    Thank you
    [quoted image]

    My Metallica arrives this week. Can’t wait to try out one of your kits when available!

    #237 54 days ago

    Looking forward to the dual amplifier kit for Spike-2 tables so I can upgrade my Iron Maiden table. Just so I understand it correctly, there won't be any need for extra power to the table?

    #238 54 days ago

    In case anyone is wondering, I just installed a full range setup in my Metallica LE and my new Iron Maiden Premium. In both of these setups I used the Flipper Fidelity full range 10 inch and 5 1/4 head speakers with PinWoofer amps in both the head and cabinet. Both of these amps are set to full range due to me not running a subwoofer in the cabinet but using the 3way 10". I also added in an external 10" polk powered sub to catch the lower frequencies where the 10" FF drops off...this setup sounds incredible! Dan has been superb throughout with his customer service as this setup wasn't as straight forward as most.

    #239 54 days ago
    Quoted from Spelunk71:

    My Metallica arrives this week. Can’t wait to try out one of your kits when available!

    Nice! (But a little jealous!)

    #240 54 days ago
    Quoted from malklavious:

    Looking forward to the dual amplifier kit for Spike-2 tables so I can upgrade my Iron Maiden table. Just so I understand it correctly, there won't be any need for extra power to the table?

    Put a super kit my Maiden today at PinWoofer HQ. I'm adding teflon spacers and Brad Hole T-Nuts to the kit to ease backbox speaker installation. It's thumping good now - time to play!

    #241 54 days ago
    Quoted from ulmpharmd:

    wasn't as straight forward as most

    This guy is over the top!

    1 week later
    #242 44 days ago

    Chalk another one up for a happy customer on one of your superkits!

    Put it on my MET and its awesome!

    Short story of my audio journey for this pin:
    Tried pinball pro, had muffled out highs and vocals, tried diy, that fucked up the audio on the cpu board somehow (sucked big time), got new cpu board. Finally installed a superkit and couldn't be happier!

    No need for an external sub as the amp and woofer is PLENTY! No lack of bass on this setup trust me on that! Backbox speakers are CLEAR no matter how low or high the volume is! Can hear sounds I didn't on the pp kit ans sooo much clearer!

    Dan the Man is a great guy to work with. Super friendly and super responsive to any questions asked. Completely happy and totally stoked with the superkit and the support I got.

    I seriously recommend this kit, no joke its awesome and my MET sounds amazing with audio power like I have never heard coming from a pin! Totally worth it and I HIGHLY recommend it!

    You knocked it out of the park on this one Dan, thanks!

    #243 43 days ago

    Installed the amp kit into my Iron Maiden PRO that already had Flipper Fidelity 10" woofer and back box speakers. The difference in bass at low volume (15) was immediately apparent as I dialed up the amp!

    Now I'm working on getting the levels mixed in so the sound effects don't over power the music (especially the left loop effect and the tomb opening). Does anyone have any suggestion for settings? I'm playing a bit with the Music / Voice attenuation but still trying to find a sweet spot. Does the Voice Attenuation affect both the sound effects and the voice call-outs? My perfect sound would be: dominant music, good voice call-outs, lowered sound effects.

    #244 43 days ago

    I know that ulmpharmd has the same sub driver as you've got, malklavious , so he might be able to provide some tips that are specific to that 10" round. Our 10" sub is completely different, but I'll see if I have another similar install to refer you to for another opinion.

    In the mean time the menu adjustments offer bass/treble independently for the backbox/cab. If you change the speaker impedance in the menu please do so at very low volume since the power transfer of the sound board completely changes, and not doing so can result in a massive overpower condition to the drivers (depending on which direction you are going).

    #245 43 days ago
    Quoted from PinWoofer:

    PinWoofer headquarters has been busy creating the ultimate dual amplifier kit, complete with backbox speakers and full range mono/stereo backbox amp.
    We'll be offering this kit with turnkey 12v power cables (plug and play) for all modern platforms. Pictured is SAM and we'll move on to WPC/CGC/JJP/Spike-1/Spike-2 in the coming days.
    Dual amp customer feedback are consistent in terms of high sound quality and sound intensity.
    Thank you
    [quoted image]

    Hi! Just saw this thread since i started looking for options for my X-files machine. Sega only gave x-files one speaker in the back box area, which i would like to add to and update also under the PF. Do you have anything that would be compatible with this machine?

    #246 43 days ago
    Quoted from TheTenderTilt:

    Hi! Just saw this thread since i started looking for options for my X-files machine. Sega only gave x-files one speaker in the back box area, which i would like to add to and update also under the PF. Do you have anything that would be compatible with this machine?

    Yep, easy - can you post photos of the backbox and cab speaker(s). thx

    #247 43 days ago

    FINALLY getting a chance to install my full amp and woofer kit to our Pinball Magic. Woofer is currently installed - and a HUGE difference already. Adding the amplifier will take a bit of additional time, but if it goes as well as it did for Monster Bash, this game is going to sound outstanding!

    #248 42 days ago
    Quoted from PinWoofer:

    Yep, easy - can you post photos of the backbox and cab speaker(s). thx

    Here’s some shots of the one speaker and place for a second, as well as board.

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    #249 41 days ago

    I just installed the full backbox and woofer kit in my Met Prem and it sounds fantastic! The installation was a bit time consuming, but Dan is great to work with and was extremely patient with my dumb questions. Totally worth it. This is one of the best upgrades you can do—particularly on a music pin.

    3 weeks later
    #250 20 days ago

    Finished up installing the Super Kit from PinWoofer in my VE AC/DC. The sound is so much better that you need to hear one in person to really appreciate it. Install was straight forward, took probably an hour or so. Power to the amps is supplied by the accessory plug in the right side of the cabinet. I'm super happy with the sound, and Dan was checking on the install along the way to make sure everything went well. Really great dealing with them. Will probably be ordering another kit for Metallica.

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