As more new peeps enter the hobby, it's become clear that many new buyers do not want to buy used games from randos. They want new, and new only. This is the product for those buyers. Same as the AFMr discussions. Hardcore hobbyists say "just go find a used one". Casual new buyers don't wanna go hunt down old games on Craigslist. They want to make a phone call, order, and get.

Just keep taking the short bus & licking the windows with your crayons. You'll be fine.

Not only this, but if Stern can get this pro out to people at say 4800 or 5k flat....then people have a cheaper option to get a game than the new LCD pro games. For some of us every dollar counts, and 200-400 bucks difference could have a LOT of sway.

I thought new people wanted a fresh canvas to start gluing their amazon bought accoutrements?

But yeah good point...and if they don't deal randos they have to go to retailers, which the price is probably just as high as this or higher.

Let's see, I will need to buy the following before I receive my AC/DC machine:

1. Wood Filler
2. Williams Leg Brackets
3. Plastic Playfield Protectors
4. Stern Playfield Repair/Ghosting Repair Kit

Don't forget 5:

5. Your balls back from your wife!

Well, that's fine. But why AC/DC Pro?? Nobody wanted it the first time.

Many consider it better than the premium. The lower pf in particular is a HUGE downgrade to the game. It's downright atrocious. All the other crap is an upgrade though, so it kinda evens out. Depending on price difference I would likely go pro.

If you think that you would not enjoy the machine do not buy it! Pinball is meant to be fun.

Even if you never play the lower playfield, the quality of the light show is greatly improved from all those additional color changing leds in the devil face.

Go buy a HUO GB with no issues or or HUO ACDC premium then. I doubt you will.

Depends which owners.

Toss up whether Premium / Pro values go down, as the originals have vastly more solid cabinets and more durable playfields. Pro maybe a modest depreciation due to the additions and higher supply. Premium probably not much change, as everyone knows the new ones will be lower quality.

Luci / LE, no chance this reduces value. Indeed, Stern just confirmed Luci won't be rerun and the Premium will be a variation of the original Premium art. People seemed to assume that Luci would be the Premium that was rerun before.

Hopefully Stern finally allow Lyman the time to finish the code, more than 3 years after he said he had several pages of notes for ideas to finish it.

I am very surprised they announced this when Aerosmith sales are taking off and they already have 3 music pins that are officially in production, though. Maybe it was now or never with licensing.

Not going to be cheaper ... why would it? They say it's a limited time VE, and it's using SAM and a DMD, which I suspect is a parts combination that raises the BoM quite significantly over Spike2.

In this audience? Yeah, most *here* wanted the Premium....but, the Pro did sell well. Operators might want Pros. There might still be good overseas demand (Australia). Lots of "flow hoes" prefer the Pro as they claim it's faster. One of the biggest complaints about the Pro was the giant Angus face - now that they've removed that, many who dug the Pro but were on the fence might be jumping for joy right now.

I don't think Stern would have produced more Pros without some sense of demand from their distributors.

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The pro was originally designed for operators on route hence the stand ups to make it a quicker game.
Shorter games, more money in the cash box.
The Prem/LE was more for the collector.

There were licensing issues....that's why it didn't continue when the license expired & hasn't been in production for 2 years, unlike Metallica which re-upped the license without a hitch. Clearly they finally figured it out. I suspect the virtual Pinball Arcade version had something to do with being able to start building the games again, and clearly getting Phil off the artwork was one of the things they had to do to go into production again.

I want Luci !!!!

... and?

It makes no sense in terms of part costs.

There's a new in box one for sale for 18k in another thread.

Well, of course. I'm just an armchair quarterback here like everyone else. Well, I should say like most everyone else. It certainly seems like some people around here are privy to insider info. In fact, someone should probably start keeping track of the hit/miss ratio of those who always claim to know something about future releases.

Not going to pay more then 17k.

Not even Stern employees get it right 100% of the time...

Hey guys - this is interesting...I went and searched for some pics of The Pinball Arcade app version of AC/DC Premium...Phil was removed from the art! Soooo...prob a good idea what the Premium re-run this fall is going to look like. (Original translite included for comparison)

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I know there was licensing issues and that's the point because people kept saying it would never be remade like the licensing issue could never be resolved, which today shows it somehow was.

If they don't take those hairy chested dudes off there, then I call it a fail! C'mon we have enough of those already. Something new maybe?

LOL....I mean....that's AC/DC. They made Luci for people who wanted AC/DC featuring something completely random. Maybe the AC/DC Prem Vault will have Unicorns on it instead of anything that makes sense?

A re-skinned 1982 Tron VE would have been nicer. Maybe someday

I believe a total light show was created for this just as it was for Metallica. That upgrade will probably only set you back $300ish instead of $1500.

IMO that would never happen. Too much work for too niche a market. Yes, they did it for Spider-Man, but Spider-Man is huge...Tron is niche niche niche.

Well as you said, a lot of new buyers want to buy new pins, not used. So I can see them doing Tron VE in the next few years, for those who missed out originally. Who knows. I'm sure it would sell.

Are there any images of what the translate and cabinet are going to look like in the VE?

No because the risks are different too

7th post, page 1. Same as original, minus Phil

I know what you mean, but why not just some hand drawn version of them like on the pro? Or maybe just some album art? Or at least a picture with his shirt on? Don't take this as prude, if it was a girl I'd be perfectly fine.

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There's no hand drawn Pro.

In the announcement it states "no Luci"

Luci did not sell very well at all and there must be a reason for that. We have one and love it! It was the last and only NIB premium that was available at the time in Australia.

It did come at the end of the original run, sort of a way of them juicing some more sales out of the title. I think the market was just saturated at the time.

Stern already said 'no Luci' on their FB page.

Rob

Expressing an opinion or not agreeing with someone else isn't necessarily being negative. Yeah, some take it a bit far, but not everyone.

Rob

The market was definitely saturated when they ran Luci. I recall several that bought and then had to sell because the wife/GF said hell no to the artwork and forced to sell. I wanted one but waited and then like that the run was done. I was kind of pissed at the time......been waiting for the right time/ price to get one. It seems there are an awful lot of people wanting a Luci....they would sell a bunch if they ran it. And Stern is about the money and Luci was not sold as an LE so they can run it. Demand your Luci now!!!

Good catch!

Rob

I like the original art better. Glad I already have one!

So no premium until the fall.

Star Wars has to be announced before that.

They've made it easier to wait for Star Wars now.

No coffin lock is an improvement? I beg to disagree.

Hammer Lock is the coolest lock in pinball IMO.

There should be a little wire redirecting the ball comming back from the bell on the PRO.
Does yours have it?

LOL...I'm guessing you don't know what a coffin lock is.