Quoted from MikeS:

I'd be happy with a menu setting that allows you to qualify Encore at 6 songs completed. It's such an epic wizard mode and deserves to be seen more often. If it was 6 songs I would try for it every game vs. never trying for it at 12 songs.

Quoted from MikeS:

I'd be happy with a menu setting that allows you to qualify Encore at 6 songs completed. It's such an epic wizard mode and deserves to be seen more often. If it was 6 songs I would try for it every game vs. never trying for it at 12 songs.

Quoted from Shadrac:

I don't really understand why the ACDC code is called "deep". There's only one Wizard mode, no sub modes like, for exemple, Fuel, Seek and Destroy or Justice in Met. I know the scoring is special and complicated but it's not deep because you have to do the same things for each songs (a shot associated with a song then note shots). Or i miss something ?

Quoted from MikeS:

Deep may not the most accurate way to describe the software but it is incredibly complex and strategic. I still don't fully understand the rules but this is probably the most descriptive explanation I've seen
http://www.digitalpinballfans.com/showthread.php/4761-For-Those-About-to-Rock-AC-DC-Premium-LE-v1-65-Ruleset

Quoted from Shapeshifter:

Phew - great summary!
I agree complex, not deep.
Really hope the next update is before Xmas.

Quoted from foureyedcharlie:

Has anyone ever made it to encore on a pro? Is just not feasible to make it there, so I play it for points. Would be cool to play through the songs, I just don't approach the pro that way because I feel it's impossible.

Quoted from MikeS:

I'd be happy with a menu setting that allows you to qualify Encore at 6 songs completed. It's such an epic wizard mode and deserves to be seen more often. If it was 6 songs I would try for it every game vs. never trying for it at 12 songs.

Quoted from robm:

Hmm, i don't really agree with this. The reason i love ACDC so much, is due to the fact that Encore is so challenging to get to. Its a bit like Valinor on LOTR - if it was easier to achieve, i don't think the 'thrill of the hunt' would be as good.
Personally, i've never seen it (have deliberately avoided watching/searching for any videos of it), but i have had it lit once, and choked making the shot!!! Thats actually what i love so much about pinball - some things are achievable, and you miss by so little getting there, which makes me more determined to nail it!

Quoted from MikeS:

If it's an adjustable setting (default is 12) then it at least gives you the choice and you can leave it at 12 if you want. In other Lyman games like TWD or Met you can adjust the number of walker kills for last Man standing or make Crank it ups easier to get to to make that game less of a grind to get to EOTL. For ACDC I think it needs some kind of wizard mode that is attainable to make song completion a goal vs. just trying to work towards building up big song jackpots and sticking with the more lucrative modes.

Quoted from Eskaybee:

Maybe have a 6 song mini encore mode that's a 1-ball encore mode rather than a 3-ball encore mode and keep the 12 song encore mode as is?

Quoted from Eskaybee:

Maybe have a 6 song mini encore mode that's a 1-ball encore mode rather than a 3-ball encore mode and keep the 12 song encore mode as is?

Quoted from Shadrac:

I don't understand why Cannon inserts still do nothing 6 years after release. I mean, AC/DC is a great game, a big success for Stern, there was many code updates, last was some months ago, but there's still inserts that do nothing. How many pins have that?
Also the fact the Oi mania doesn't work, there's still not the possibility to not restart songs after drain etc...
Please Lyman finish the code of this great game!
I had a Pro and i'm going to buy a Premium first gen but i don't like the fact that Cannon inserts are just useless... It's possible to do something cool with that...

Quoted from DaveH:

I know it's only been 6 years, but at some point, you are going to have to accept that one. They obviously had a different design for the cannon rules when they initially designed the game, and then found out it was bad. So they decided to not go down that road.
This happens a lot in design. Unfortunately with a pinball machine, you are building things out of wood plastic and metal. So changing it later isn't possible. If they had known before the playfield design went out to the CNC machine, maybe they could have changed it. But once they were cutting wood, it was over. I just ignore them on my game, except for the occasional time when I think about trying to write good design specs.
So let's put this one to bed. The game is amazing. Fix the Oi thing of course, but the cannon is used enough in the game. I don't want more stuff around that one toy.

Quoted from MikeS:

Yeah and that rulesheet was before the last code update which now has Devil horn rules and more complex song rules. And I'm optimistic that there will be more code releases to come! Thank you Lyman!

Quoted from rai:

I wish someone would make a revised rellsheet with the new code. I’m not sure what the more complex song rules are even or the devils horns.

Quoted from rotordave:

Probably one up on Tilt forums.
TLDR:
I start with TS or BIB.
Build song jackpot with JAM.
change song to earlier song
I play Rosie.
Play album MB. The correct number of jackpots (corresponding to the number of the album that the song is on) gets you the song jackpot, WITHOUT RESETTING IT. in the case of Rosie, 4 jackpots gets you song jackpot. Cause Rosie is on the 4th album.
Now, choose another early Bon song. TNT. Ltbr. HAABPTB.
Now play TOUR. The corresponding tour to the song will also award you the song jackpot WITHOUT RESETTING. TNT is either 3 or 4 jackpots to collect.
Preferably get the song jackpot with playfield X running. Points ahoy.
If you shoot the cannon for the song jackpot, or you drain, the song jackpot resets.
There’s the basic rundown. Follow that and watch the fun.
rd

Quoted from Eskaybee:

Wtf did he just say?

Quoted from Eskaybee:

Wtf did he just say?

Quoted from MikeS:

In other Lyman games like TWD or Met you can adjust the number of walker kills for last Man standing or make Crank it ups easier to get to to make that game less of a grind to get to EOTL. For ACDC I think it needs some kind of wizard mode that is attainable to make song completion a goal vs. just trying to work towards building up big song jackpots and sticking with the more lucrative modes.

Quoted from Shapeshifter:

Oi Mania probably.
I love this game but don't agree with others that the code is a masterpiece..... yet.
It is so unbalanced having the 12 song slog to Encore.
It desperately needs something to break up the journey - a short mini wizard mode at 6 songs would encourage song completion.
Otherwise very little incentive to finish songs quickly as Encore is super hard to get to.

Quoted from Edster:

Damn I just press start and shoot at lights. I’m not into taking a course on playing a pin. I guess I just don’t get that deep. Maybe I should...

Quoted from 85vett:

AC/DC already has this. You adjust the number of songs needed to collect (shots) in order to change to your next song. It's just like MET in the reduction of shots needed to progress. You don't have an option to reduce the number of CIU for EOL from 5 (yes, EOL is the fifth CIU mode) to 3. If you want to get to encore just reduce the number of songs needed to collect (shots) to the min and then focus on that. Doing this encore isn't that hard to reach especially if you are playing for it. Remember, you need to play for points or encore with this game. If you are playing to max your points you will never see Encore, but if your goal is encore then it's much more achievable than you think. Get dial in on your ramps. Chose a song, go into MB, shoot your needed song shots and out of MB change to the next song. Rinse and repeat. If you reduce the number of shots needed for each song then you don't even have to shoot the risky ones. If you bump it down to just 6 all you need to shoot are shook me (pops), Rosie (top inlanes), Train (Left ramp), One of the Hell songs, can't recall (Right Ramp), War Machine (left loop), and finish with the right orbit (don't recall this song either). That's your 6th shot and allows you to select your next song. It's when you have to complete TNT, Back in Black, For those about to Rock that things get dicey as those 3 are all stupid dangerous shots.
The above doesn't make Encore simple or "easy" to get but it does make it very obtainable for those with decent skill on a good game. If that is still not easy enough then set replay to extra balls and set your replays accordingly. Maybe 1st at 50 million, second at 100 million and 3rd at 200 million. You now have at min a 6 ball game to get their on a decent scoring game. If that combined with the above strategy is still to hard then I'm sorry, you just have to play better
I post this not to be an "ass" but to show that the game already gives you options to make Encore more achievable for most players. .

Quoted from MikeS:

Thanks! I'll give this a shot (reducing the number of songs to collect shots) to see if that can get me closer to Encore. I realize it is similar to LMS in TWD where you have to play the game differently than you normally would if attempting to get to Encore. I think under default settings it's too daunting that I don't even try for it. With the right settings though it could open that up and encourage me to go for it more often.

Quoted from 85vett:

AC/DC already has this. You adjust the number of songs needed to collect (shots) in order to change to your next song. It's just like MET in the reduction of shots needed to progress. You don't have an option to reduce the number of CIU for EOL from 5 (yes, EOL is the fifth CIU mode) to 3. If you want to get to encore just reduce the number of songs needed to collect (shots) to the min and then focus on that. Doing this encore isn't that hard to reach especially if you are playing for it. Remember, you need to play for points or encore with this game. If you are playing to max your points you will never see Encore, but if your goal is encore then it's much more achievable than you think. Get dial in on your ramps. Chose a song, go into MB, shoot your needed song shots and out of MB change to the next song. Rinse and repeat. If you reduce the number of shots needed for each song then you don't even have to shoot the risky ones. If you bump it down to just 6 all you need to shoot are shook me (pops), Rosie (top inlanes), Train (Left ramp), One of the Hell songs, can't recall (Right Ramp), War Machine (left loop), and finish with the right orbit (don't recall this song either). That's your 6th shot and allows you to select your next song. It's when you have to complete TNT, Back in Black, For those about to Rock that things get dicey as those 3 are all stupid dangerous shots.
The above doesn't make Encore simple or "easy" to get but it does make it very obtainable for those with decent skill on a good game. If that is still not easy enough then set replay to extra balls and set your replays accordingly. Maybe 1st at 50 million, second at 100 million and 3rd at 200 million. You now have at min a 6 ball game to get their on a decent scoring game. If that combined with the above strategy is still to hard then I'm sorry, you just have to play better
I post this not to be an "ass" but to show that the game already gives you options to make Encore more achievable for most players.

Unbalanced? What???? This game is dang near perfectly balanced. What mode puts things out of reach (Even Encore isn't that valuable). Their aren't any modes that I can think of that are stupid more valuable than others to where if one player gets it the other player has no chance of catching up. The only real blow up in AC/DC is the song jackpot and being able to triple it but that aspect has zero amount of luck to it and any player can blow that up at any given chance on every ball.
The advantage to quick song completion is the growth in mode values of your shots. Also, changing songs can be very lucrative if done in the right order for Album and Tour MB. If you aren't changing your song before going into one of these MB's (and you aren't already in the right song) then you are missing out on big potential points. Collecting your song jackpot without resetting it is HUGE.

Quoted from 85vett:

AC/DC already has this. You adjust the number of songs needed to collect (shots) in order to change to your next song. It's just like MET in the reduction of shots needed to progress. You don't have an option to reduce the number of CIU for EOL from 5 (yes, EOL is the fifth CIU mode) to 3. If you want to get to encore just reduce the number of songs needed to collect (shots) to the min and then focus on that. Doing this encore isn't that hard to reach especially if you are playing for it. Remember, you need to play for points or encore with this game. If you are playing to max your points you will never see Encore, but if your goal is encore then it's much more achievable than you think. Get dial in on your ramps. Chose a song, go into MB, shoot your needed song shots and out of MB change to the next song. Rinse and repeat. If you reduce the number of shots needed for each song then you don't even have to shoot the risky ones. If you bump it down to just 6 all you need to shoot are shook me (pops), Rosie (top inlanes), Train (Left ramp), One of the Hell songs, can't recall (Right Ramp), War Machine (left loop), and finish with the right orbit (don't recall this song either). That's your 6th shot and allows you to select your next song. It's when you have to complete TNT, Back in Black, For those about to Rock that things get dicey as those 3 are all stupid dangerous shots.
The above doesn't make Encore simple or "easy" to get but it does make it very obtainable for those with decent skill on a good game. If that is still not easy enough then set replay to extra balls and set your replays accordingly. Maybe 1st at 50 million, second at 100 million and 3rd at 200 million. You now have at min a 6 ball game to get their on a decent scoring game. If that combined with the above strategy is still to hard then I'm sorry, you just have to play better
I post this not to be an "ass" but to show that the game already gives you options to make Encore more achievable for most players.

Unbalanced? What???? This game is dang near perfectly balanced. What mode puts things out of reach (Even Encore isn't that valuable). Their aren't any modes that I can think of that are stupid more valuable than others to where if one player gets it the other player has no chance of catching up. The only real blow up in AC/DC is the song jackpot and being able to triple it but that aspect has zero amount of luck to it and any player can blow that up at any given chance on every ball.
The advantage to quick song completion is the growth in mode values of your shots. Also, changing songs can be very lucrative if done in the right order for Album and Tour MB. If you aren't changing your song before going into one of these MB's (and you aren't already in the right song) then you are missing out on big potential points. Collecting your song jackpot without resetting it is HUGE.

Quoted from Shapeshifter:

Maybe unbalanced was the wrong choice of words.
It's just that Encore feels like a very long journey with no stops along the way, so something half way, however simple would break up the journey and give a reward for half completion.
Does Encore award 100 million?
So, maybe a 50 million jackpot for 6 songs completed?

Quoted from 85vett:

Reduce songs from 8 to 6 and add only one extra ball for replay. Start at this and I think you'll find yourself progressing better without it butchering the game to terribly bad. Most import thing at this point, to me, is finding that right orbit shot.

Quoted from DNO:

...For those about to Rock some Song Bonus Jackpots!
ALBUMS
1) TNT -TNT
2) Let there be Rock - LTBR
3) Hell Ain’t A Bad Place To Be - LTBR
4) Whole Lotta Rosie - LTBR
5) Highway To Hell - H2H
6) Hells Bells - BIB
7) Back In Black - BIB
8) You Shook Me All Night Long - BIB
9) For Those About to Rock - For Those About to Rock We Salute You
10) Thunderstruck - The Razors edge
11) Rock ‘N’ Roll Train - Black Ice
12) War Machine - Black Ice
TOURS
1) Austrailian clubs
2) High Voltage
3) TNT----------------TNT
4) Lock up your Daughters
5) Dirty Deeds--------Let there be rock
6) LTBR---------------Hell aint a bad place, Rosie
7) Powerage
8) If you want blood
9) Highway to Hell----Highway to hell
10) Back in Black------Hells Bells, BiB, You shook me
11) FTATR--------------For those about to rock
12) Flick of the switch
13) Fly on the wall
14) Who made who
15) Blow up your video
16) Razors Edge--------Thunderstruck
17) Ballbreaker
18) Still upper lip
19) Club dates/ Rolling Stones
20) Black Ice----------Rock n Roll train, War Machine

Quoted from ezatnova:

Question on achieving the song bonus. I have read the rules sheet so many times, my head is spinning, and I’m still not clear. When the cannon is initially loaded, a shot to the thunderbolt in AC⚡️DC target bank gets you the song bonus. However, activating and loading the cannon via a multi ball does NOT mean you get the song bonus when firing the cannon at that thunderbolt, correct

Quoted from DNO:

...For those about to Rock some Song Bonus Jackpots!
ALBUMS
1) TNT -TNT
2) Let there be Rock - LTBR
3) Hell Ain’t A Bad Place To Be - LTBR
4) Whole Lotta Rosie - LTBR
5) Highway To Hell - H2H
6) Hells Bells - BIB
7) Back In Black - BIB
8) You Shook Me All Night Long - BIB
9) For Those About to Rock - For Those About to Rock We Salute You
10) Thunderstruck - The Razors edge
11) Rock ‘N’ Roll Train - Black Ice
12) War Machine - Black Ice
TOURS
1) Austrailian clubs
2) High Voltage
3) TNT----------------TNT
4) Lock up your Daughters
5) Dirty Deeds--------Let there be rock
6) LTBR---------------Hell aint a bad place, Rosie
7) Powerage
8) If you want blood
9) Highway to Hell----Highway to hell
10) Back in Black------Hells Bells, BiB, You shook me
11) FTATR--------------For those about to rock
12) Flick of the switch
13) Fly on the wall
14) Who made who
15) Blow up your video
16) Razors Edge--------Thunderstruck
17) Ballbreaker
18) Still upper lip
19) Club dates/ Rolling Stones
20) Black Ice----------Rock n Roll train, War Machine

Quoted from rotordave:

Apply the KISS principle.
When the cannon loads, each available shot on the AC/DC bank will flash, and what it is lit for will show on the DMD. Sometimes it’s only one shot - sometimes a heap of them are lit. But the DMD tells you what they are.
Then you can choose what you want to shoot for - if any! Often, I’ll shoot the bell instead, if the multiplier will return more points than the targets.
As you progress further through the game, the cannon is lit for all sorts of good things -
Loop bonus
Collect bonus (as opposed to SONG bonus)
Other things I cant remember right now.
DNO outlines the song bonus well in his post.
TLDR: if you shoot Song bonus with the cannon or you drain, the song bonus resets to 1,000,000.
If you collect it by matching a album/song or tour/song, it keeps building.
rd

Quoted from Eskaybee:

One of my favorite things in acdc is playing through a few songs on one ball then getting shots at Super lanes, super targets, super combos, etc... jackpots.

Quoted from Eskaybee:

One of my favorite things in acdc is playing through a few songs on one ball then getting shots at Super lanes, super targets, super combos, etc... jackpots.

Quoted from Shapeshifter:

Why?
Didn't think those things were worth going for?
Am I missing a trick?

Quoted from ezatnova:

Question. Once you’ve “achieved” a song and select a new one on the juke box, and then do it again, is there any visual indication of which ones you’ve already completed?
Getting to Encore seems impossible enough without having to remember which songs you’ve already done in the past. There’s no way is remeber once I got past 6 or 7 songs, like that will ever happen anyway, lol.

Quoted from ezatnova:

Question. Once you’ve “achieved” a song and select a new one on the juke box, and then do it again, is there any visual indication of which ones you’ve already completed?