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New 6 inch speakers found


By KenLayton

2 years ago



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    #51 1 year ago

    I'm building a new cabinet, what are people using for the grate or grill that goes under the speaker?

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    #52 1 year ago

    Since the 55-5690 is no longer available what's a good option?

    #56 1 year ago

    @ Borgdog
    If you seach for ' metal grid radiators ' there's surely something you like.

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=metal+grid+radiators&qpvt=metal+grid+radiators&FORM=IGRE

    1 week later
    #57 1 year ago

    i have some of the new NEWARK speakers available in CANADA if anyone is interested

    7 months later
    #58 4 months ago

    OP kenlayton kindly pointed me to a currently available option for those seeking a 6-inch speaker:
    https://www.parts-express.com/visaton-bg17-8-65-full-range-speaker-with-whizzer-cone-8-ohm--292-546

    Thanks again for the info, Ken! I hope this update helps others too.

    2 weeks later
    #59 4 months ago

    Anyone have another source for these MCM speakers? Could use one for My Bally Playboy resto...

    #60 4 months ago

    So this is an 8", but I'll be trying these out soon on the next couple rebuilds I do.

    https://www.parts-express.com/full-range-8-speaker-pioneer-type-b20fu20-51fw--292-430

    #61 4 months ago
    Quoted from Clnilsen:

    Anyone have another source for these MCM speakers? Could use one for My Bally Playboy resto...

    Bally Playboy uses a smaller speaker that's about 4.5" from memory (i.e. it's not 6 inch).

    Newark still has some 5" MCM 8 ohm speakers, model number "55-5685".

    Note the sound board in Playboy just produces simple tones so don't go overboard with high fidelity/wattage speakers.

    3 months later
    #62 23 days ago

    Updating this thread. I've found another source of good quality 6" (6.5" ) speakers in both 8 ohm and 4 ohm models.

    Parts Express # 292-546 (kinda pricey at $18.98) This is 8 ohms 40 watt RMS

    https://www.parts-express.com/visaton-bg17-8-65-full-range-speaker-with-whizzer-cone-8-ohm--292-546

    Parts Express # 292-456 (reasonable price of $7.79) This is 4 ohms 40 watt RMS

    https://www.parts-express.com/grs-6as-4-6-1-2-dual-cone-replacement-car-speaker-4-ohm--292-456

    #63 23 days ago
    Quoted from KenLayton:

    Updating this thread. I've found another source of good quality 6" (6.5" ) speakers in both 8 ohm and 4 ohm models.
    Parts Express # 292-546 (kinda pricey at $18.98) This is 8 ohms 40 watt RMS
    https://www.parts-express.com/visaton-bg17-8-65-full-range-speaker-with-whizzer-cone-8-ohm--292-546
    Parts Express # 292-456 (reasonable price of $7.79) This is 4 ohms 40 watt RMS
    https://www.parts-express.com/grs-6as-4-6-1-2-dual-cone-replacement-car-speaker-4-ohm--292-456

    Thanks for the update Ken! Do you know if replacing the cabinet speaker with the 4ohm model will make it too loud compared to the backbox speakers at a given volume?

    #64 23 days ago

    In general, the lower the impedance, the more power drawn from the amplifier.

    #65 23 days ago

    Thank you Ken for updating, much appreciated.

    #66 22 days ago

    Can you put a 6” speaker in an early Bally? Say Viking?

    #67 22 days ago

    Never had a Viking. I don't know what it came with or how it's mounted. I will have to hazard a guess and say it was simply screwed to the cabinet bottom. In that case you'd simply spot new holes with a 3/32" drill bit for some #6 by 3/4" long screws.

    #68 22 days ago

    Hey Ken, it’s the same speaker as Playboy and others of that era. I think Quench said maybe a 4 1/2? I could put in a new base plate and fit a bigger in there, but would the sound board still drive it and sound alright?

    #69 22 days ago
    Quoted from Ballypalooza:

    Hey Ken, it’s the same speaker as Playboy and others of that era. I think Quench said maybe a 4 1/2? I could put in a new base plate and fit a bigger in there, but would the sound board still drive it and sound alright?

    I found a picture of the bottom cabinet of a Bally Kiss. Looks like it had a 5" speaker just screwed down on a wood square. Looks big enough to hold a 6.5" and the amplifier should driver it perfectly fine and sound good.

    #70 22 days ago
    Quoted from Ballypalooza:

    it’s the same speaker as Playboy and others of that era. I think Quench said maybe a 4 1/2?

    Here's some pictures/measurements from my Playboy speaker:

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    #71 22 days ago

    You'll probably have to cut a new piece of wood to mount the new speaker.

    #72 21 days ago

    Sounds great. I’ll get it done! Thx

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    #73 7 days ago

    kenlayton this has been a great informative thread.

    The speaker I am posting is in dire need of replacement. I bought an 8 ohm replacement from Parts Express via the link you provided. I am still at a quandary about the 200Ω10%10W resistor(?) picture along side the volume control. I did a search and an exact match on ebay pretty cheap. I thought I was buying two, but bought two packages of 10. (sheesh)

    I am not sure what this ceramic concoction does or if it has something to do with the volume control or reducing the impedence to the speaker. I'm pretty green at this and trying to figure out how this works from the soundboard in this 1979 Meteor pin. I also have a Paragon and Playboy I need to upgrade down the road.

    I saw an earlier post about replacing a volume control knob, but I can seem to find it, or if it's the right one I need for these games. Thanks for you great insight and sharing your knowledge! Much appreciated!

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    #74 7 days ago
    Quoted from GeoKansas:

    I am still at a quandary about the 200Ω10%10W resistor(?) picture along side the volume control.

    That 200Ω ceramic resistor doesn't belong there. Likely someones previously installed it because for what ever reason the volume is stuck on high so they reduced it by adding that resistor in series with the speaker.

    Fix the issue with the volume control/circuit...

    #75 7 days ago
    Quoted from Quench:

    That 200Ω ceramic resistor doesn't belong there. Likely someones previously installed it because for what ever reason the volume is stuck on high so they reduced it by adding that resistor in series with the speaker.
    Fix the issue with the volume control/circuit...

    Yeah, this didn't seem right to me. Is the volume control stick knob in the photo original? Could that be the issue and need replacement? Or is the issue with the sound board? I guess I will find out. Thanks for your response Quench.

    #76 7 days ago

    So many hack jobs on this pin it's sad. I am running into issue after issue regarding troubleshooting problems and I'm not even good at this stuff.

    #77 6 days ago
    Quoted from GeoKansas:

    Is the volume control stick knob in the photo original?

    Yes your volume control looks original.
    I don't remember where I got the below picture from but this is how the volume control and speaker are wired on those Sterns:
    Return the wiring back to normal and see how it goes.
    If issues remain then it might be time to open your own tech support thread in the Early Solid State section.

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    #78 2 days ago

    Hey Quench — I pulled my speaker out of my Meteor and discovered the wiring to the volume control is different than yours. Not to mention the color of wires. If it wouldn't be inconvenient, would you have a photo of the plug? I don't think it matters much. I believe the left outer pin is negative and the next pin in might be the positive side?

    I think someone just wired my volume up wrong and put that resistor on there. *SMH*

    Thanks, Geo.

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    #79 2 days ago
    Quoted from Robotworkshop:

    This speaker:
    amazon.com link »
    Sometimes these help:
    amazon.com link »

    I tried a pyle speaker with the same sensitivity rating in a meteor. It worked really well.
    I'll give the ds18 a shot, anything is better then what is in there.

    think I found this link in the meteor club
    amazon.com link »

    #80 2 days ago
    Quoted from GeoKansas:

    Hey Quench — I pulled my speaker out of my Meteor and discovered the wiring to the volume control is different than yours. Not to mention the color of wires. If it wouldn't be inconvenient, would you have a photo of the plug?

    Sorry, that Stern speaker/volume picture wasn't mine - it came from the Seawitch club thread. I don't currently have access to my games.
    If you post a picture of the J3 connector on the sound board it shouldn't be too hard to work it out. Essentially:

    Sound board J3 pin 1 goes to the middle lug of the volume control
    Sound board J3 pin 3 goes to the right lug of the volume control

    Sound board J3 pin 8 goes to the "-" lug of the speaker
    Sound board J3 pin 9 goes to the "+" lug of the speaker

    Here are some speaker/volume wiring pictures from other Stern threads:
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    https://images.pinside.com/2/2f/2c/22f2cd3941d07b48a393ebc6d8b4a3ff7f796a8d.jpeg
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