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Network Attached Storage - Whatcha got?


By mcluvin

3 months ago



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#51 3 months ago

LOL mcluvin you and I are probably the only people left on the planet still running Windows Home Servers. I am on my EX-475 with 2gb of ram. What a pain in the ass it was upgrading to WHS 2011 without a VGA out.

I have 4 500gb drives; I am running a cloudberry WHS plug-in which mirrors to OneDrive where I have an office 365 membership and 1Tb in the cloud.

Given windows home server is based on Windows Server 2008, I’m sure updates are gonna be shut off soon. I definitely want to keep my stuff both local and remote; I don’t trust the cloud won’t lose them (MySpace just nuked years of photos and videos in a storage move). I’ve heard great things about synology, it just sucks because my server is running just fine, hate to drop money on something new.

#52 3 months ago
Quoted from Richthofen:

LOL mcluvin you and I are probably the only people left on the planet still running Windows Home Servers. I am on my EX-475 with 2gb of ram. What a pain in the ass it was upgrading to WHS 2011 without a VGA out.

I have 4 500gb drives; I am running a cloudberry WHS plug-in which mirrors to OneDrive where I have an office 365 membership and 1Tb in the cloud.

Given windows home server is based on Windows Server 2008, I’m sure updates are gonna be shut off soon. I definitely want to keep my stuff both local and remote; I don’t trust the cloud won’t lose them (MySpace just nuked years of photos and videos in a storage move). I’ve heard great things about synology, it just sucks because my server is running just fine, hate to drop money on something new.

HaHa! Cool! Believe it or not, they are still fairly popular. Lot's of folks still using them. I'm kludging together my VGA cable now. I shoulda just paid $30 for the one on Ebay, but I'm trying to do it as cheaply as possible, so $5 kludge it is (https://imgur.com/a/sH0O4).

#53 3 months ago

QNAP 12 bay (120TB) running Raid 6. I use it to stream all my BluRays, Music and TV Shows into the theatre room and around the house via PLEX.

#54 3 months ago

I built a Raspberry Pi NAS for a Pinsider for his home network. He recently lost over a year of data for his business and currently has no way to automatically back up his files. Just using an old Model B+ and an IDE hard drive enclosure I have no use for. I was able to configure it for SMB and SSH, and gave it a custom host name in only 3 hours.

#55 3 months ago
Quoted from swampfire:

Synology DS411, RAID10. I upgrade storage every 4 years and my NAS every 10 years. I’m due to replace the DS411, but I really don’t have any complaints about it.
Don’t forget to back up your NAS!!! External offsite drives FTW.

I have an Easystore external set to do weekly backups. My plan was to buy a 2nd external to leave at work and swap them weekly. Is there an easier way to do offsite storage?

#56 3 months ago

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#57 3 months ago

Just a quick reminder to people to MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A(n independent) BACKUP! A single computer running any type of RAID setup IS NOT a backup, you need something else in a separate case, preferably located someplace else. (External drives, second server, cloud backup, choose your poison.) Here's my tale of woe / don't be like Korn...

I have a 12 drive RAIDZ2 setup as my main storage library. Thousand-mile-up view is it's a setup where I can lose *any* of the twelve drives and not lose any data. Once drive three goes, however, you lose the whole thing. The idea is that if one drive dies, you go to the store right quick and buy a replacement and you're covered during the rebuild in case another drive dies.

Which is great in theory, except in my case I had two drives "die" simultaneously. A Y power splitter spontaneously decided it didn't want to continue living anymore, and off-lined two of my drives simultaneously. Now in my case it didn't cause any actual data loss since I'm running Z2 and can tolerate two drives going bad/offline. But if any of my other drives had a problem the whole thing would have been gone Gone GONE. Anyone with a typical RAID-5 setup would have been toast from the moment that Y-splitter let go.

The point is *things happen*, and the gold standard against loss is to make sure you have a good backup! In my case I have a completely redundant server/library that I automatically replicate everything to every three days, so even if a third drive died I'd have been out at most two days worth of data. As it was I replaced the power Y, brought the array back up, and since neither drive had physically failed it rewrote the missing data to both drives. It's now back to full resiliency (i.e. two drives can die and I'm OK). But I *easily* could have needed to use my backup had things not gone so well!

#58 3 months ago

eBay has used Synology DS411s (diskless) for $100-200, which is a great deal and a great place to start if you have no NAS. I mean, it’s all solid state so you’re probably good for another 10 years. And if it fails, you can move the disks to something newer. I run RAID10 with 4 disks and it’s plenty fast for me.

#59 3 months ago

I plan to setup a media drive soon. What’s the best setup for this. Streaming movies to TVs around the house and stuff like that.

#60 3 months ago
Quoted from davijc02:

I plan to setup a media drive soon. What’s the best setup for this. Streaming movies to TVs around the house and stuff like that.

I mentioned (in a earlier post) I use Plex since I use it record OTA (over the air). Has apps for Roku, Fire, etc. Somewhat lacking w/respect to which format it plays if you burn (back up) a disc, so you may have to convert to a supported file format. Not nearly as flexible as Kodi, but easier to use if you are interested in OTA. Nivida Shield runs the Plex server, along with a Homerun tuner. Shield is plenty powerful enough to stream 4K. Seems to be a very popular combination.

One nitpick on Shield/Plex - every time Shield updates, Plex needs reset. So I need to shut off the Shield auto update. I think this is more of a Shield issue than a Plex issue.

Another option if you want to go the Plex route is to buy a NAS w/some CPU horsepower and just run Plex right from the NAS. Just keep in mind most low end NAS units have wimpy CPU's in them, which is fine for just streaming files but not when combined w/a media server.

Just my 2 cents. Plenty of other options, I'm sure others will chime w/their setups. Kodi is very popular, you should check that too besides Plex.

#61 3 months ago
Quoted from mbwalker:

I mentioned (in a earlier post) I use Plex since I use it record OTA (over the air). Has apps for Roku, Fire, etc. Somewhat lacking w/respect to which format it plays if you burn (back up) a disc, so you may have to convert to a supported file format. Not nearly as flexible as Kodi, but easier to use if you are interested in OTA. Nivida Shield runs the Plex server, along with a Homerun tuner. Shield is plenty powerful enough to stream 4K. Seems to be a very popular combination.
One nitpick on Shield/Plex - every time Shield updates, Plex needs reset. So I need to shut off the Shield auto update. I think this is more of a Shield issue than a Plex issue.
Another option if you want to go the Plex route is to buy a NAS w/some CPU horsepower and just run Plex right from the NAS. Just keep in mind most low end NAS units have wimpy CPU's in them, which is fine for just streaming files but not when combined w/a media server.
Just my 2 cents. Plenty of other options, I'm sure others will chime w/their setups. Kodi is very popular, you should check that too besides Plex.

Thanks for the ideas. I do have a shield and might play around with that as I do some testing and learning

#62 3 months ago

Well I applied my CPU sticker and cut the tabs today. I was pretty certain my old hands were too shaky for this shi*, but it was a success. I just need to glue together my cable so I can remove it in one piece. Then I'll be ready to put it back together and install XPEnology.

Check this out. That sticker is very small and you must line it up just right.

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#63 3 months ago

I don't have anything that is irreplaceable on my NAS, but it would take me a ton of time to rip everything again. Backing up 27TB isn't cheap...

#64 3 months ago
Quoted from Spyderturbo007:

Backing up 27TB isn't cheap...

... Nor fast!

#65 3 months ago

And success! XPEnology is up and running on the MediaSmart. The motherboard initially wouldn't slide back into the case as the heat spreaders on the memory were just about 1/4" too tall. I used freeze spray on them and they popped right off. I've got a couple 10 TB Western Digitals installed and everything seems good so far. Yay!

#66 3 months ago

So I currently have 2 10 TB drives and am just screwing around with it at the moment. My thoughts right now are SHR or Raid 10. I'd have to buy 2 more 10 TB drives for Raid 10. It won't be long before I'm outgrowing 10 TB. What are your thoughts? Have any of you had to rebuild a large SHR array? How did it go?

#67 3 months ago

Depends on what you're doing with the Synology. How is it going to be used? That's going to determine how you want it set up.

#68 89 days ago
Quoted from Spyderturbo007:

Depends on what you're doing with the Synology. How is it going to be used? That's going to determine how you want it set up.

I'll be using it for backups, file storage, Plex, Docker. B&H just had another sale on the 10 TB drives, so I picked up a couple more. I think I'm gonna go with Raid 6. I should be good to go for a while with 20 TB of storage. I'm just wary of the rebuild times.

#69 89 days ago

These days I have a ThinkServer that runs a headless Ubuntu server with ZFS on Linux. I use mirrored drives so I never have to worry about rebuilding if a drive goes down. I don't personally think Z5 (or Raid 5) is good for a home environment since rebuild times can be extremely long. I'd rather eat a few bucks and have mirrored drives.

I run a Plex server as well as some bots that automated downloads for me. It works great, but I'm also a full time Linux developer so it's a familiar environment for me. I used to use self built boxes with FreeNAS (now, nas4free) and it was rock solid... Just not as flexible as I wanted.

#70 88 days ago
Quoted from ktownhero:

These days I have a ThinkServer that runs a headless Ubuntu server with ZFS on Linux. I use mirrored drives so I never have to worry about rebuilding if a drive goes down.

Yeah, but with 10 TB drives you are looking at substantial rebuild times even with just a mirror. Lose the other drive? Better hope you have a good backup.

#71 87 days ago
Quoted from mcluvin:

Yeah, but with 10 TB drives you are looking at substantial rebuild times even with just a mirror. Lose the other drive? Better hope you have a good backup.

There is no "rebuild" time with mirrored drives, that's the whole point. If one disk goes down, the other disk has a full copy which can be accessed immediately. I believe you are referring to replacing the bad disk and the mirror being copied, but that's very different than a Raid or Z5 rebuild... As your data is still 100% accessible and you can even write to the disk...

When Raid 5 goes down, you have no access to any data and you have to wait possibly days for it to rebuild during which a power outage or crash would cause your data likely to become completely lost. I just don't feel it's a good option for home use.

#72 87 days ago

Qnap 4-bay w/4 WB red label 8 gb, 16 gb ddr3 ram, Plex to Rokus at each tv, Heos wireless speakers for tunes.

#73 87 days ago
Quoted from ktownhero:

There is no "rebuild" time with mirrored drives, that's the whole point. If one disk goes down, the other disk has a full copy which can be accessed immediately. I believe you are referring to replacing the bad disk and the mirror being copied, but that's very different than a Raid or Z5 rebuild... As your data is still 100% accessible and you can even write to the disk...

Sure there is. You've lost redundancy. A RAID1 array with 1 failed drive is in a degraded state until the drive is replaced and the array is rebuilt. It's still an array of disks and commonly described as such. If you lose 1 drive with RAID5, you still have access to your data, it's just slow as shi*. At least that's what my experience has been, though we did not use it much. And yes, a RAID5 rebuild is a totally different beast compared to RAID1. My concern with these huge drives is that long rebuild time along with the fact that drives from the same batch can fail within hours/days of each other. I've seen it in a prod environment with enterprise-class drives and I've seen it at home with shitty ass 1.5 TB Seagates. RAID1 is less complex, but still, you can only lose 1 drive. Lose both and better hope you have a good backup.

#74 87 days ago

This thread got me looking into next steps for my NAS, since my 4 drives are all 4+ years old. I decided I’m going to replace my RAID10 setup with a RAID1 using two 8TB drives:

https://serverpartdeals.com/seagate-st8000nm0055-8tb-7200-rpm-sata-6gb-s-3-5-256mb-512e-internal-hdd/?

My logic is that if I need more storage down the road, I can always go back to RAID10 with two more 8TB drives. I’ll use the old 4TB drives for local and remote backup.

#75 86 days ago
Quoted from mcluvin:

Sure there is. You've lost redundancy. A RAID1 array with 1 failed drive is in a degraded state until the drive is replaced and the array is rebuilt. It's still an array of disks and commonly described as such. If you lose 1 drive with RAID5, you still have access to your data, it's just slow as shi*. At least that's what my experience has been, though we did not use it much. And yes, a RAID5 rebuild is a totally different beast compared to RAID1. My concern with these huge drives is that long rebuild time along with the fact that drives from the same batch can fail within hours/days of each other. I've seen it in a prod environment with enterprise-class drives and I've seen it at home with shitty ass 1.5 TB Seagates. RAID1 is less complex, but still, you can only lose 1 drive. Lose both and better hope you have a good backup.

I just don't think most home users who are sold the benefits of Raid 5 are actually equipped to handle it should a failure occur. The only real reason to use it over a mirror is to save money and be able to sell pre-packaged boxes as having more disk space.

EDIT: I edited my original post because I realized I was incorrect that Raid 5 data is lost until the array can be rebuilt.

#76 86 days ago

I thought about getting NAS box but insead I just I upgraded PCs around Christmas time. I then used my old PC as a MAME box and for network storage. I got 20+ terabytes available for media storage I can playback on android tv boxes or whatever (Serviio for DLNA service).

#77 86 days ago
Quoted from barakandl:

I thought about getting NAS box but insead I just I upgraded PCs around Christmas time. I then used my old PC as a MAME box and for network storage. I got 20+ terabytes available for media storage I can playback on android tv boxes or whatever (Serviio for DLNA service).

The "NAS" boxes are overpriced anyway, that's the better option.

#78 86 days ago

There’s nothing wrong with using an old PC as a NAS. I really like the whole Synology software package, though. And I could never get my Windows PC to sleep right.

#79 86 days ago
Quoted from swampfire:

There’s nothing wrong with using an old PC as a NAS. I really like the whole Synology software package, though. And I could never get my Windows PC to sleep right.

Well, Windows shouldn't be the OS used for anything important

#80 86 days ago
Quoted from G-P-E:

Synology DS412+
Very reliable and has been running all alone in basement utility room for several years.

Same exact machine DS412+. Love it

Had the old Windows Mediasmart EX490 with a USB 4 bay connected when I started. What a mess. Over 13TB that was always getting corrupted due to the unique “tombstone” type file management. Glad that is over - Synology software and hardware is simply awesome

#81 86 days ago
Quoted from MT45:

Same exact machine DS412+. Love it
Had the old Windows Mediasmart EX490 with a USB 4 bay connected when I started. What a mess. Over 13TB that was always getting corrupted due to the unique “tombstone” type file management. Glad that is over - Synology software and hardware is simply awesome

I should add that twice per year I do incremental back ups to dedicated hard drives using a hard drive toaster. I store these off-site

#82 86 days ago
Quoted from swampfire:

There’s nothing wrong with using an old PC as a NAS. I really like the whole Synology software package, though. And I could never get my Windows PC to sleep right.

XPenology is Synology software on your hardware.

https://xpenology.com/forum/

#83 86 days ago
Quoted from ktownhero:

I just don't think most home users who are sold the benefits of Raid 5 are actually equipped to handle it should a failure occur. The only real reason to use it over a mirror is to save money and be able to sell pre-packaged boxes as having more disk space.
EDIT: I edited my original post because I realized I was incorrect that Raid 5 data is lost until the array can be rebuilt.

I agree. I originally didn't realize SHR was just a type of RAID5. Lot's of folks using it, but no thanks!

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#84 70 days ago

I'm running a custom built 4U FreeNAS server, with 16 3.5" and 6 2.5" hot swap bays. Currently I have 80TB of magnetic storage, and 4 TB of solid state storage

I'm using a Xeon 12 Core CPU, with 128Gb of ram. I use for critical files storage with sync to the cloud, Virtual Machines, and a Plex server.

#85 69 days ago
Quoted from okgrak:

I'm running a custom built 4U FreeNAS server, with 16 3.5" and 6 2.5" hot swap bays. Currently I have 80TB of magnetic storage, and 4 TB of solid state storage
I'm using a Xeon 12 Core CPU, with 128Gb of ram. I use for critical files storage with sync to the cloud, Virtual Machines, and a Plex server.

Out of curiosity, what kind of files are you backing up that requires 80TB of storage? I guessing a bunch of 4K Blu-ray rips?

#86 69 days ago
Quoted from gweempose:

Out of curiosity, what kind of files are you backing up that requires 80TB of storage? I guessing a bunch of 4K Blu-ray rips?

pr0n

#87 69 days ago
Quoted from gweempose:

Out of curiosity, what kind of files are you backing up that requires 80TB of storage? I guessing a bunch of 4K Blu-ray rips?

4k rips, or could be a photographer/cinematographer.

That's an Enterprise grade server he's running lol.

#88 69 days ago
Quoted from ktownhero:

That's an Enterprise grade server he's running lol.

Definitely pr0n

#89 69 days ago
Quoted from Marvin:

Definitely pr0n

Maybe just a really sweet home lab... and pr0n

#90 69 days ago
Quoted from Marvin:

Definitely pr0n

Who saves pr0n on a hard drive in this day and age? Lol

#91 69 days ago

With inexpensive 4K streaming services such as Amazon and Netflix, and inexpensive music streaming like Spotify, plus sites like xhamster, what are you guys filling up a NAS with, much less 40TB

#92 69 days ago
Quoted from tacshose:

With inexpensive 4K streaming services such as Amazon and Netflix, and inexpensive music streaming like Spotify, plus sites like xhamster, what are you guys filling up a NAS with, much less 40TB

All that stuff is here today and gone tomorrow. I prefer to have my own server with my media that no one can take away right when I am looking to watch/listen to it.

Also, if you have a high end setup, streaming is noticably worse than locally stored rips in original quality.

#93 69 days ago
Quoted from mcluvin:

I agree. I originally didn't realize SHR was just a type of RAID5. Lot's of folks using it, but no thanks!

IDK... I was pretty impressed with Synology. I did something stupid... and they got me all fixed up after a couple of remote sessions. I haven't seen any data loss because of it.

I'm in the process of transiting from SHR+BTRFS among 4 qty - 4TB NAS drives to 2 qty 10TB NAS + 2 qty 4TB NAS drives... for 18TB w/ 10TB of protection. Standard old Raid5 would have been only 12TB with 4TB of protection and 12TB of waisted space.

I'm very glad I went with the DS916+... the techsupport was phenomenal.

Quoted from ktownhero:

Who saves pr0n on a hard drive in this day and age? Lol

Home movie editor? Maybe he has an army of chat-er-bate minions he needs to video edit for?
Maybe it's a lucrative business model?

#94 69 days ago
Quoted from ktownhero:

Who saves pr0n on a hard drive in this day and age? Lol

Ok reality_studio how much data we talking about to edit porn and what kind of NAS/SAN editing suite do you run if you don’t mind me asking as I think you are in that biz, if not please feel free to correct me.

#95 68 days ago
Quoted from Zitt:

IDK... I was pretty impressed with Synology.

Synology is fine. I just want to be able to lose more than 1 drive and still not lose my data. SHR2? Sure. SHR? No!

And one other thing. I suspect you took advantage of a recent sale on 10TB hard drives. Check your serial numbers. When we buy multiple drives on sale, there's a greater chance we are going to get drives from the same lot. In my case, I got lucky with one order, but not so lucky with the other. External factors aside, drives from the same lot have a greater chance of failing within days/weeks of each other.

#96 65 days ago
Quoted from tacshose:

With inexpensive 4K streaming services such as Amazon and Netflix, and inexpensive music streaming like Spotify, plus sites like xhamster, what are you guys filling up a NAS with, much less 40TB

Blu-ray and 4K rips.

A 4K amazon stream is nothing compared to the quality of a 1 to 1 4K HDR rip.

#97 65 days ago
Quoted from mcluvin:

And one other thing. I suspect you took advantage of a recent sale on 10TB hard drives. Check your serial numbers. When we buy multiple drives on sale, there's a greater chance we are going to get drives from the same lot. In my case, I got lucky with one order, but not so lucky with the other. External factors aside, drives from the same lot have a greater chance of failing within days/weeks of each other.

No. I didn't get a sale.
One was a WD 10TB "shuck"... the other is a 10TB IronWolf Pro which appears to not be compatible with the Synology.
It's probably going back to Amazon sometime this week. I have another 10TB "shuck" candidate; that will probably get that done to replace the 10TB Iron Wolf which is incompatible.

#98 64 days ago
Quoted from gweempose:

Out of curiosity, what kind of files are you backing up that requires 80TB of storage? I guessing a bunch of 4K Blu-ray rips?

Photography is a hobby of mine, so I've got about 15 years of RAW files, plus about 5 years of JPG shot before then. I use the NAS for Time Machine backups of 3 separate Macs, and a back up of 3 different PC. I also have video footage I've shot, document backups, etc. I have about 1TB of high quality rips I've made from my old CD collection, and an assortment of Blu-ray and 4K content.

#99 64 days ago
Quoted from Zitt:

No. I didn't get a sale.
One was a WD 10TB "shuck"... the other is a 10TB IronWolf Pro which appears to not be compatible with the Synology.
It's probably going back to Amazon sometime this week. I have another 10TB "shuck" candidate; that will probably get that done to replace the 10TB Iron Wolf which is incompatible.

Those shuckable WD 10TBs have been popping up on sale every other week at B&H, BB, and Amazon for $145 - $160. Maybe not in your case, but most folks buying these to shuck and put in a NAS are buying multiples when they go on sale.

#100 64 days ago
Quoted from okgrak:

Photography is a hobby of mine, so I've got about 15 years of RAW files, plus about 5 years of JPG shot before then. I use the NAS for Time Machine backups of 3 separate Macs, and a back up of 3 different PC. I also have video footage I've shot, document backups, etc. I have about 1TB of high quality rips I've made from my old CD collection, and an assortment of Blu-ray and 4K content.

That does make sense actually.

But, we really wanted it to be pron

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