Sweet! Congrats and thanks for the info. I'd guess I'm four or five weeks out from shipping then with #2369. Its nice to finally be pretty confident in a time frame of plus or minus a week with them shipping 40-50 per week. Plus, Thanksgiving is pretty much a given now, and thats great because we always have lots of company playing for that whole long weekend.

What was your invoice number?

Woo Hoo! We certainly are seeing a pattern here that gives us a pretty good idea of when our games will ship. Thanks for posting the info guys.

Looks like I'm back to guessing again since they are building and shipping standards. I thought they were gonna stay with the LE games now until they ran them out.

Looks like dealer orders are going thru now. I just talked to a guy who ordered 18 months ago and his game is being shipped. He has no invoice number on it. So I do not know if our invoice numbers mean anything at this point or not other than a somewhat "general yardstick" to guess with.

They must be building lots of standards for the ops. My #2369 ordered thru JJP is now backed up (again) to early/mid December. This is not the way to treat buyers who paid in advance and therefore allowed Jack to set up the company. So #2252 was shipped this week and its going to be another 5-6 weeks to build another 117 games? We paid in advance nearly 2 1/2 years ago. I'm really getting sick of this delivery date being constantly moved back despite all the information we get about how many "more" games are being built all the time. Something here is not adding up. Is there another form of "new math" I have not been taught?

I hope they have you confused with me since I bought the day before you.

However, I have not heard anything yet other than the email a couple of weeks ago that said early to mid december after I inquired. I'll just sit here and keep my fingers crossed now. Congrats to you though. Every machine that goes out the door gets me closer to getting "the call".

Yup...thats exactly what we are doing. Nice of Jack and Abel to help me out on that shipping cost since I bought my game direct from JJP before Abel was announced as a distributor. Hopefully mine will be on the first of two big shipments they are supposed to get in December (per Jen) but don't we all? I was hoping to have it here before thanksgiving weekend initially but that does not seem to be an option.

Sometimes I think I'm back in Wayno's world again......

Gotta be some parts supply problem going on, or (hopefully) a large order is being done for Abel Electronics to ship on one truck. I looked back on all the previously promised dates I had on file last week and it did not make me feel warm and fuzzy.

I got my fingers crossed. But I'm in Vegas right now and can't find a place to put a bet on delivery before Christmas....

Then give me something to see other than the dates my game has been promised by and did not show up. How does JJP expect to sell Hobbits after the delays we have had with our WOZ games?

Give me a believable excuse and I am gullible enough to believe it. But just giving me later and later delivery dates without a valid reason is what makes a reasonable person think they are being taken for a sucker.

I matters not where the orders are going or for who. They know how many games they can make per week. And they know what dates they have told their customers for shipping. So why does that promised date of shipping change every month? And then the next month again, and the next month again endlessly?

Its like being stuck in the twilight zone.

Abel Electronics said they got games in last week. Maybe the buyers simply were not pinside members since we have not heard anything about it here.
I have my fingers crossed for the mid december shipment. The invoice numbers add up to mine being in that shipment from my May 10, 2011 order. I am not about to quit at this point but its getting real sketchy. Maybe we will hear more from people who go to their open house. Hopefully we will hear that their shipping area was loaded with (full) boxes and a truck was backing up to the dock.
Although nobody would know if the boxes in the middle were empty would they?

Sounds like that is not gonna happen now either. Another delay just came up.

I'm shooting for May now so that I can bitch about it taking three years.

Who knows why? But things slowed. On a positive note invoice #2438 did ship monday, so we do know games are going out the door. Maybe we will know more after the JJP open house. All we can do is keep our fingers crossed and hope they get back up to 50 games per week.

You are correct Indypinhead. We were told from day one that games would be shipped in the order they were received. Does anybody remember when the first games started shipping? If only 400 of our preorder games have been built so far and he is building 50 per week this is not making sense unless standards are being built for distributors.

I feel bad for Jen being caught in the middle of this. But I feel worse for my family and friends who were so looking forward to having a game for the holidays.

Just send JJP an email tonight and you will probably be on his google board tomorrow after you respond to the invite.

May 1st I was told July
July 23rd I was told late Sept
September 20th I was told mid november and 200 games were in front of me
November 11 I was told early to mid december

And its pretty obvious now that anytime this year is not in the cards. So 200 games have not yet been built since September 20th. What happened to the 50 games per week that we were told was happening? If only 25 per week were being built my early May order would be done. And yesterday another distributor posted that he had not yet received his april order.....so I'm probably looking at Feburary or later now.
If JJP suppliers could not get parts for 600 playfields in 7 months after they started producing games something is seriously wrong here. C'mon....thats less than 100 parts per month for a supplier on single part items. Sure there are multiple quantities on some parts (like light boards) but the machines spit them out quicker than you can spit out cherry pits.
If playfields were the most intensive part to build he is only getting 21 per week average which is just over 5 per day. The rest of the parts get tooled up and the suppliers run larger amounts per run....not 20 here and 20 there.
Somebody somewhere is dropping the ball instead of running it all the way down the field.

Sometimes you just have too many things going on in your life, and the worst of them are the ones you have no control over. When that happens its good to get rid of the problems you have no control over.

When a hobby turns into a constant problem/pain in the ass its no fun anymore. If we had been given a concrete date even further ahead years ago it would have been acceptable. I've turned down some pretty good deals on other games that could have filled that spot all this time. Its been empty since spring due to the missed dates. The constantly changing shipping dates on this game is like trying to nail jello to a wall.

The wife still wants it so I told her I'm giving it until XMas to show up. After that she will probably not care anymore either. I'm not mad at all, I just don't care anymore.

Additionally I have to go in for shoulder surgery again soon as it can get scheduled. If the game arrives here after the surgery I will be helpless to do anything for over 6 months other than eat and wipe my butt. I wouldn't even be able to get the box into the garage, and will not be able to play any pinball. It would be stupid to put off my medical needs on this painful issue over a pinball game.

You're gonna be in for a long summer Joe! I'm 5/10/11 invoice #2369 with the original promised date of July, 2013 and no idea of "when". In mid November I was told there were still 200 games ahead of mine. I think Jack has certainly exceeded his expectations of how many customers he would piss off with this rollout.

Getting any customer confidence with Hobbit is going to be tough.

Yes, the bar was set pretty low for JJP to beat huh?

Sounds like you got lucky RP! Congrats.

I just got the email from Jen. Invoice #2369 from 5/10/11 is shipping today. It was totally unexpected. They must be cranking out nothing but LE games at this point. Thanks for a great Christmas present Jack!

I never doubted you Alex. I just figured the way my luck was going there would be a parts shortage just before the holidays and for two weeks after LOL.

I would have to believe JJP needs to do some fresh sales on a continuous basis to show the bankers that he has a viable consistant business with sales. Its probably not "acceptable" to banks and accountants to just take a large sum from the prepaid games 2 1/2 years ago and keep building and shipping those with no new sales coming in on the books. So long as the majority of the games being built are the pre-paid ECLE it won't take him too long to get done with them. And he said no ruby editions will be built for sale until the ECLE games are done.
When you think about they are all the same game anyhow until they put on the cosmetics for final assembly.

Check the WOZ forum. Jack said tonight that he will be completing all the pre-ordered games within 90 days.

I thought it was said he was building standards while waiting for the cabinets to come in for the LE's. Time to get more than one supplier in his chain for sure though. He could even put on a second shift at the plant if he could get enough parts in.

Games are shipping. A guy named arcadenerd just posted that his is arriving thursday.

He must have bought from Automated or a private seller then. I did'nt PM him. Time for Jack to find a new cabinet maker for sure though.

Someone just posted a pic of taking an LE home in the back of their car from the factory.

A couple of guys have posted on the google group that they just got their games.

Oh yea! Looks like the Detroit Pinball League and friends will finally get their games. I have my fingers crossed for all of you guys.

Yup! It sure does. Eric picked up his this afternoon too.

Sounds like he is out of cabinets again. That sucks...

Abel had about a dozen games on pallets when we picked up gearheaddroppings yesterday. Some were LE, most were standards. But they were there. I don't know if all are pre-paid or were available.

The backside of those slippers needs too be wet sanded smooth to get tape to stick to it. Its too rough and porous of a surface for tape.

Its a PITA to get them over the slippers but it can be done. My slippers fell off and I just left them off for that reason. I figured if I used glue on them it would destroy the smooth surface of the tops of the flippers.

Well said. It IS pretty simple.

Mods: BAN FullBlown!!!!!

If there were ever cause for a civil action from JJP for deformation FullBlown qualifies for it. This person specifically went out of his way to attempt to destroy JJP, their credibility and their reputation based on lies and false accusations.

Go for it Jack. This one qualifies.