Sorry, but "Look at what JJP did" in terms of designing and building the game doesn't cut it as an excuse any more. At one time, yeah, that flew, but no more.

A delay in shipping can reasonably be excused. Waiting for parts, underestimating demand, manufacturing issues, software problems, whatever, I get that; it's kinda uncontrollable.

But the issue now is quite different, and it is 100% controllable.

Games are being made and shipped to people that ordered last month, while the people who sent JJP good money YEARS ago...you know, the people that trusted and believed in Jack...sit and wait.

And it pisses me off that Jack is bragging about a WOZ being in the "Smithsonian" while my game, ordered and paid for 19 months ago, is nowhere to be found. If he has the time and capacity to build games and send them to Washington of all places, he should find time to fill all the orders for which he has been paid, in the order in which they were paid.

OK, geez, I'm real sorry. My update is: the game was paid for 5/12 and it still isn't here.

Specifically: Invoice 4477, 05/15/2012, "Due Date" 09/25/2013

This is only partially about how he sets expectations, but I generally agree with you about that. The bigger and more relevant issue is about the decisions he is making today to his benefit and to the detriment of his customers who trusted him and who provided the financing for his company, for free.

It is like when you have waited in a line somewhere and work your way up to first and the phone rings and the clerk takes the phone call, takes care of that person, and then takes another call and takes care of that person, and then the phone rings again and takes care of that person, and then the phone rings again and takes care of that person, then the phone rings again and takes care of that person, then the phone rings again and takes care of that person, then the phone rings again and takes care of that person, then the phone rings again and takes care of that person, then the phone rings again and takes care of that person, then the phone rings again and takes care of that person, then the phone rings again and takes care of that person, then the phone rings again and takes care of that person, then the phone rings again and takes care of that person, then the phone rings again and takes care of that person, until the phone stops ringing and only THEN it is your turn.

Are you ever going back to that store?

The parts availability issues don't seem to be affecting JJPs ability to build games to send to the Smithsonian, or to Australia, or to send WOZ's to numerous distributors. Or, are the parts that have availability issues just the ones that go in ECLE's for people that paid for their games years ago?

Geez, slow day at work? Good for you, but it would take me about a month to figure out how to do that

Can I put $100 on April?

I'm not sure it's a matter of slow. It may be a matter of prioritizing the building of games for which they have new (paying) orders to keep the cash flowing. Building a game ordered and paid for years ago generates costs, but no new cash.

Don't know, just a thought.

Hey Nerd Herg!

(I mean that in a good way)

Based on your analysis, what is your prognostication for invoice 2842?

Happy New Year, John!

Hey did you get the car painted or is that a new one?

I'm good, moved to the beach. It was cold yesterday; I even had to wear long pants!

So, what does that tell you?

Could the guy with the analysis tool please post what that looks like as of now?

My guess is that it has flattened out considerably, since of the two variables, games shipped and time, only time has changed....

OK, to get kinda back on topic, the last time someone posted here that a game has arrived was December 20, 2013. That is 54 days, if anyone is counting.

One explanation may be (A) that none have shipped in the last 52 days. Another might be (B) that there are 100 pinheads that got their games since Christmas who are just too damn busy playing their WOZ to post here about it.

I'm going with A.

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Jack, please ship mine while you are holding theirs up! Thank you.

Yes.

My Grandma always said "Eat your peas, Dammit!"

I named my first dog after her. Not "Grandma"; dog's name was "Dammit".

You cannot be serious. "Complete and utter shambles"????? That's a bit dramatic, don't you think? Did someone drop a nuke on Melbourne or something? THAT would be complete and utter shambles.

"Move forward with maximum compensation!" ???? What in the world are you talking about?

As I understand it, you people paid money to a crook, and the crook made off with your cash. Don't you have police and lawyers and courts in Australia? Yeah, getting ripped sucks, but, other than the extent to which Jack received all or part of your money, how is that Jack's problem, and more importantly, how is that my problem and the problems of others who are waiting?

I've heard the "BS" from down there, and while I am sympathetic and I know you must be frustrated, I would absolutely positively have an "issue" with waiting longer while my game gets shipped to AU because AU is in "complete and utter shambles" and Aussies are in the streets demanding "maximum compensation" for their "BS issue".

G'day Mate.

If your Feb 2012 order is now "promised" for early May, I guess I am looking at July or August for my May 2012 order.

That's quite different than the emails I have with November and January/February dates/promises/commitments, and it's a lot different than the 90 days-ish from Jack a mere 6 weeks ago.

Missing 90 days-ish by 90 days-ish is like three-putting from a foot.

What a cluster.

Sadsack, if there is a way for you to retract that post, I think you should go for it.

A cash flow problem doesn't need to have a good or service. It doesn't have to involve anything prepaid.

I can, however, find the correct and very succinct answer in your last sentence:

"RUNNING OUT OF MONEY after a product or service has been prepaid IS a CASHFLOW PROBLEM."

In other words, when you have more going out than coming in and you can't pay your bills.

I'll bet my JJP refund check on it.

But I truly believe they are pumping them out as fast as they can.

That is like going into a restaurant, ordering your food, paying for your food, and after sitting there for a week, watching people that came in after you order, eat, and go home, and then telling your wife to hang on, the meal will be great, and after all, we're almost there, the chef is pumping them out as fast as he can.

Do you realize there is a year ahead of you in line?

Geez, does it matter what she SAID? Seriously. Jack SAID they would ALL be shipped in "90 days-ish" 90 days-ish ago.

Watch what people do, not what they say.

Two problems..."If they had a factory with a reasonably full crew...." and "Jack said..."

Actually, three problems... if they have 300 to go to advance to Feb 2012 orders, that still leaves X more to get to June 2012 orders, which is at, or closer to, the end of the line, not February. And how many have they cranked out in the last 90 days-ish? We've heard about 15 or 20 here in the last 90 days-ish. Even if it was 50-ish a month, the last one wouldn't be done until Halloween-ish.

Whether I have one on order isn't relevant to an opinion I expressed.

You said that you "believe they are pumping them out as fast as they can". I provided an analogy in an attempt to illustrate that "pumping them out as fast as they can" isn't good enough after years of trying. If "as fast as they can" is, say 1 a month, or 10 a month, are you good with that? If the guy that is painting your house has been there for a year and a half and he tells you that he is slapping it on as fast as he can, are you good with that?

But since you asked, I had two on order. On the last one, I tried to sell it here same day as Zippy, and neither of us had a nibble at $7500. Now, I am waiting for a refund. Stay tuned on that outcome.

YAY! Mine finally arrived!

It is check number 34859, in the amount of $7,500.

Any updates on those waiting for their T shirt to arrive?

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Watch what they are doing, not what they are saying.

Awesome.

Reminds me of a scene from one of Trump's books. He was looking for financing to build an Atlantic City casino. He needed the dough, badly and wanted to impress the lender consortium. They wanted to see the site. Ooops! It was a big vacant lot! So, he hired like 100 big pieces of earth moving and grading equipment, just for the afternoon, to go to the site, and start digging and moving dirt around. . Didn't matter what or where, just so long as there was noise and exhaust and asses and elbows everywhere to give the illusion of bigtime progress being made.

He got the loan.

How far does that excuse fly? He knew he needed 1,000 of those cabinets, and he knew it three years ago, and didn't get them. If the cabinet vendor had stepped on the gas and really cranked up production to, say ONE cabinet per day, Jack would already have already had the cabinets on hand.

Yep.

On your other comment where you said you were amazed that anyone believed anything coming out of JJP, I agree totally. It's like the that boy crying Wolf or the sky is falling Pinocchio story...but after getting, um, "mislead" for years, why do people count on anything they say? It's like, I know they "misled" me, but this time, I really think they are telling the truth.

Come on, you can't be serious. Your invoice number and delivery date give people two concrete, honest, indisputable pieces of information that can help them triangulate when they can expect their games. The "factory" said that all LE's would ship by beginning of April. Your info is far more reliable and helpful, and even if not, what's the problem with sharing it?

Mr. Forecaster, every invoice number does not equal one WOZECLE. An invoice could be for a piece of gum, a T shirt, a ball, a piece of PF glass, a regular WOZ or 100 WOZ's.

If every invoice number was a game, then there would have been 2509 games sold by JJP before you bought yours. Extremely unlikely, right?