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Need moving advice for new pin


By kidvid

3 years ago



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#1 3 years ago

Got a call from Katie at jersey jack a week ago, saying my hobbit had been built and was ready for delivery. $350 to leave it on a pallet in my driveway and $725 for white glove, including a flight of stairs.

Ideally, we'd like to put it on the second floor but I'm not sure it's even possible. The attached image shows the landing at the bottom of our stairs. The black square is how much room the pin would take if I removed the backbox (the movers won't know how to remove the backbox and I might not be home when they're there). The blue tape represents overhang from wood trim or stair edges. Between the blue tape at the edge of the first step and the black square is 6.5 inches.

Another data point is that I live in the northern Virginia area and there's a company around here that can rent escalera stair climbing hand trucks at 85 a day. I called escalera and the depth of the unit, not including the plate is 6.5". The plate is 4',and the frame itself is five. So, it might be possible to shimmy the toeplate under the pin but there won't be any room to tilt it back. It would have to lift it completely vertically for the first step.

If we had to, we could put the pin in the back of our living room on the first floor, but we do have a designated gameroom on the second floor. Also, if we were to pay for white glove delivery, I can't figure out if the movers could pull this off, both going up and eventually back down when it comes time to sell the house a few years down the road.

Any thoughts?

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#2 3 years ago

your screwed. looks like landing is too narrow.

#3 3 years ago

Take the backbox off. Invite 7 of your friends over for grilled burgers and brew. 4 guys lift it up and over the handrail. 4 guys catch it on the other side and carry it up. Then fire up the grill.

#4 3 years ago

Sawzall will get that banister out of the way easily. Find a couple former Marines or a dozen soldiers, have them carry it up the newly accessible stairs.

#5 3 years ago

What is the width of the landing?

#6 3 years ago

The landing is 32"x39". I just uploaded a picture. The base of the pin without the backbox is about 25 x 24.

It sounds like maybe I should pay for the white glove and if they can't get it up the steps then just put it in the living room and call it a day.

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#7 3 years ago

Awwee where's your sense of adventure?!

Honestly though it might be worth it if nothing else should they drop it down the stairs it will be their fault.

Myself I would probably grab a few friends and pocket the difference. That can buy a lot of charcoal and steaks.

#8 3 years ago

It looks like the cat is in deep thought, asked him (her) for an opinion?

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#9 3 years ago

After hearing stories about "white glove" service, I think you're safer off moving it with the help of some friends regardless of which floor it ends up on.

#10 3 years ago

As Starwriter says, take off the backbox, take out the playfield, the remaining cabinet does not weigh much

#11 3 years ago

White gloves guys will try the square peg in round hole method. I wouldn't trust them with your situation. I second Starwriter's recommendation.

#12 3 years ago

Third Starwriter's idea. Cabinet just becomes a hollow box that two people can carry like any other furniture.

#13 3 years ago

we've had to do a similar thing with moving many people's pins. in fact, minus the stairs, 2 friends and I navigated my MET monsters from one end of the house to the other, navigating a narrow hallway with 2 90° turns and an extremely tight door frame.

one thing is to be sure to protect everything. remember the father's adage: "wood doesn't heal, hands do!" we used large pieces of cardboard between the walls and door frame and the pin when things got especially tight just to make sure that neither was being damaged.

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it's amazing how much lighter that cabinet becomes once you've removed the glass and the playfield. you're going to need a place to set the playfield (preferably leaning it on it's side (maybe against a bed mattress)

I'm not sure just how easy the playfield is to remove from the hobbit, however in the SAM stern machines, that left side harnesses does not have any molex connectors in the cabinet, so you have to cut about a dozen zip ties and unplug connectors in the back box and then fish everything out of the back box into the cabinet to pull the playfield out.

just remember to plan the amount of time that you think it will take and then double it so that you don't feel rushed. the hobbit weighs in at over 300 lbs (it's probably one of the heaviest machines available to date)

here's a movie my friend (scott freeman) put together of the endevour (he apologies for the choppy sound

#14 3 years ago

I have the exact same scenario, except I don't have a hand rail to lift over......mine is a wall.

With only 1 friend, I have carried up Stern and Williams games both. Remove the head first and foremost. Then carrying the game body on its side to the landing and setting it down on your foam square or nice heavy rug. At this time the bottom of the game cabinet is facing the steps. One person above the game and one below, tilt the game towards the steps while the lower person squeezes in enough to get it lifted to the first step. Then there should be enough room for the lower person to actually get in there and pick it up. You both carry the game up the stairs, then reassemble at the top.

#15 3 years ago
Quoted from j_m_:

you're going to need a place to set the playfield (preferably leaning it on it's side (maybe against a bed mattress)

With JJP games, there are rails that run the full length of the playfield. You can easily set it flat on the ground with no issues.

#16 3 years ago

You could build some sort of block that fills the landing to the same height of the first stair. Now the landing is larger, and you have room to get the truck under the pin and tilt it back.

But if you trust yourself not to drop or squish any integral electronic bits, it might be marginally easier overall to remove the glass, PF, and backbox as others have suggested.

#17 3 years ago
Quoted from ovfdfireman:

I have the exact same scenario, except I don't have a hand rail to lift over......mine is a wall.
With only 1 friend, I have carried up Stern and Williams games both. Remove the head first and foremost. Then carrying the game body on its side to the landing and setting it down on your foam square or nice heavy rug. At this time the bottom of the game cabinet is facing the steps. One person above the game and one below, tilt the game towards the steps while the lower person squeezes in enough to get it lifted to the first step. Then there should be enough room for the lower person to actually get in there and pick it up. You both carry the game up the stairs, then reassemble at the top.

Did you pull out the playfield first? Sounds really heavy to carry by hand. Also, when you moved it up the steps, did you use a dolly? I think the Hobbit at 300 pounds without the backbox, wouldn't be do-able without some equipment.

#18 3 years ago
Quoted from EvanDickson:

You could build some sort of block that fills the landing to the same height of the first stair. Now the landing is larger, and you have room to get the truck under the pin and tilt it back.
But if you trust yourself not to drop or squish any integral electronic bits, it might be marginally easier overall to remove the glass, PF, and backbox as others have suggested.

This was a great idea! I had some extra cinder blocks laying around. With a piece of plywood on top, the height is just about the same as the stair step. I put some 3/4" plywood on top of the cinderbock and in front of them, protected the floor under it with some old carpet, put a sheet of very thin 1/4" plywood on top to smooth out the transition between the box and the step. Hopefully, it'll work.

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#19 3 years ago

Once it's strapped to an appliance dolly, the stairs aren't bad at all. It's pretty much balanced and at rest on each stair. Just need to lift and push, one stair at a time. From my experience, going up is much easier than going downstairs.

#20 3 years ago

From what I've read of other people's experience with the Woz and Hobbit, I'm really wondering if I'll need to rent an Escalara...at 300 pounds, it sounds really heavy.

What's the best way to get it off the pallet onto the dolly? Also, if I bring it up to the landing, and I want to rotate it so the bottom faces the upper stairs, what's the best way to do that? The other alternative would be to pull it off the dolly at the base of the stairs, take it up sideways to the landing and then reposition the dolly on the bottom.

#21 3 years ago

Unless you get a bunch of guys, and lift it over the rail, like I suggested, the wall, the stairs, or the game are going to show battle scars. Trust me, even with that platform you made, it's gonna get real ugly with a dolly. There is no way there's enough room on your homemade landing for the pin, the dolly, and enough people to heft it up there. There is no way you're going to rotate it on the landing with the dolly. But, hey, it's your pin, and your walls. Make sure you get it on video. As mentioned above, if you want to be really safe, pull the playfield out too. Then you're left with 3 pieces that are about 100 lbs each.

#22 3 years ago
Quoted from Starwriter:

Unless you get a bunch of guys, and lift it over the rail, like I suggested, the wall, the stairs, or the game are going to show battle scars. Trust me, even with that platform you made, it's gonna get real ugly with a dolly. There is no way there's enough room on your homemade landing for the pin, the dolly, and enough people to heft it up there. There is no way you're going to rotate it on the landing with the dolly. But, hey, it's your pin, and your walls. Make sure you get it on video. As mentioned above, if you want to be really safe, pull the playfield out too. Then you're left with 3 pieces that are about 100 lbs each.

Do you think that would still be the case if I were to rent a motorized Escalera? You're painting a pretty scary picture.

#23 3 years ago

I've moved Williams and Midway gun games on small landings like that with a temporary riser like you have. I have a Lectro Truck stair climber though which I think is better for tight spaces.

#24 3 years ago

With the game in 3 pieces (backbox, body and playfield) you should be fine with two reasonably strong people.

As far as getting it off the pallet, i woul have the delivey people help you there while at the curb. Also if the box had any signs of a rough ride (mine had a crumped corner and a few taped up holes), make them wait while you at least open the top of the box and look inside to make sure everything is ok. Mine fortunately was fine btw so they can survive a beating.

One off the pallet its easy to get a regular hand truck under it and once inside I cut open my box and laid the machine down then got to work.

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#25 3 years ago

Helped a bro move a Hobbit a few days ago, and I was the third wheel in the process. Waaay heavier than any pin I've moved before. I strongly suggest finding a location on the ground floor.

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