Have you taken a dmm to the lock coil? Compare the reading to similar coils.
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Quoted from PinDeLaPin:Took your advice on the motor and its it smooth and quiet now. However for whatever reason I have lost the back row of roll overs. No idea why they stopped working but they are now dead like the other rollovers. Something else to note as well is the 1-2 and the 5-6 player relays in the head flutter around like the lock relay was doing upon starting a game. I adjusted the switches and can't see anything wrong with them.
Don't feel badly, I'm about to start up on mine again. I swear, it feels like 2 steps forward, 1 step back every time. You'll get there.
See, now you're really having fun!
Soon you'll be trying to find obsolete parts! Yay!
Seriously though, it is fun, and we all love seeing improvement. I'm pulling for you!
Pretty certain steel wool is a no no.
Use a flexstone or maybe some 800 grit sandpaper for the contacts.
Quoted from PinDeLaPin:Yeah definitely won't use the steel wool again I don't need any more problems rearing their ugly heads I have enough already with this machine Those are all very good tips thank you for sharing them, when you put a light coat of Grease on those stepper boards what brand of the grease are you using? When I get home this afternoon I think I'm going to go right to those steppers and give them a real good cleaning. I wiped them down initially but I'm sure they could probably use an alcohol swabbing As well. One other thing I noticed I forgot to mention is the first real in the first player in the back box it does not turn so thousands will not register. Only hundreds doubles and single digits register on the score reel.
That's probably solidified grease.
Again, that TOP #8 DVD would help here.
I went through all 18 of my score reels, plus every stepper before even plugging the thing in. It was definitely a test of will power!
Do a quick YouTube search for cleaning steppers and/or score reels. It will probably give you some advance.
Yup. Plan on about 30 minutes each one to start. It is so gratifying though when you finish one up and just steps effortlessly.
Keep at it when you can. 1 or 2 a night and you're done in no time!
I was given the advice to use a heat gun on low (or hair dryer) to help loosen the grease on the shaft. Ideally, you'll want to remove the shaft, clean it, and slightly relube, but at least you'll be able to see if things turn in the meantime.
I think you're missing a spring on the left. I'll compare with mine later today.
Also, you've got 2 sets of arms, if one isn't working I don't think it will step.
Quoted from edward472:It's very satisfying. Here's a before and after pic of one of my steppers.[quoted image][quoted image]
Nice work Ed!
Here's a pic from one of my steppers I was having trouble with. It wouldn't step, so I moved the springs to this formation, then it worked. Maybe yours is similar?
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In your pic, it looks as though the right side spring needs attach to something different on the top part.
I had to remove the arms on mine to make them work. Just cleaning the shaft certainly helped, but once I removed springs and arms, cleaned them up and replaced, BOOM!
As Ed noted, spring# is fine. I wasn't certain until I checked mine.
He also much more eloquently described the two movements.
Looks like on mine I moved the spring for tension perhaps. Sometimes I'd get going, forget to take pics, and then rush. Never a good plan!
Keep at it
Nice work! Great progress.
You are further along than me now, but I'd think maybe look at the "2nd shot" relay?
Quoted from PinDeLaPin:No no it's not. Just knocked out another one that looked like someone shit on it. Everything was locked up and I think I just used half a can of naphtha in it. Everything is smooth and clean now though working as it should.
But it's so rewarding!
Seriously though, you'll be happier when you plug it in this time.
Maybe you could remove a wire staple to give you some slack?
As to the height, you could probably remove head unit and place it on a lower surface. Should only be a few plugs and 2 bolts I'd think.
Quoted from PinDeLaPin:Yeah I have removed those wire Staples and it has helped it would just be so much more helpful if the whole thing came out as a unit I think you could do a lot more of the reels faster if they were flat in front of you. Mine are so gunked up and Frozen I'm having to use vise grips to break some of the pivots pieces free.
Hair dryer or heat gun.
Quoted from PinDeLaPin:I went through every step up unit thoroughly and cleaned and made sure all fingers were making contact with the buttons on the bakelite. I will check that 10-99 relay today and see whats going on with it. Here also was the scoring rules that are on the playfield showing the 30 and not 40 points for a strike. I also cleaned all the contacts on the scoring wheel.[quoted image]
Are you certain the stepper was set properly? Maybe the fingers/arms are slightly out of "zero" position.
Nice work though!
I was just using another pin. Then had to fix a second pin, so I had crap all over!
It's nice to wrap up at least one project to get normalcy. Turns out these alleys are not the quick ones.
Slow and steady wins the race. You're doing great!
But just think, you won't have to touch them again for decades!
Seriously, you're going to find so much satisfaction when you're done!
Did the 1000s move at all?
Check your gapping again on the two steppers/switches you worked on. Maybe they are causing a coil lock?
Huh,
Well, let's wait for Mopar, or someone who's been down this road before.
In the meantime, check those 1000 reels. See if they move by hand but not when game started. That'd be a clue I think.
Are talking about spring tension?
If so, just give it another turn and try it. Mine was a little sluggish so I wound it once more and she resets nicely now.
I count to start just for an idea of how many, but adjust as needed.
The nice part is you should be able to tell using the steppers without the machine needing to be activated.
I use tiny players to keep mine from unwinding too quickly, also from stabbing me.
Hmm. and the other two springs are correct?
Are the coil units moving freely? Do the plungers easily actuate?
Sounds as though one of the arms isn't moving when a plunger is actuated.
Do you have some other light grease laying around? Maybe just give it a dab to see if it helps. You'll have to clean it again though, , , once the good stuff comes in.
Quoted from PinDeLaPin:. . . but wanted to know where to go with these issues?[quoted image][quoted image]
The bar!
Just a thought, is the score motor seated properly? I was thinking if it was pushed too close, or not far enough on its shaft the nubs would be hitting the wrong switches at the wrong times.
Probably fine but figured why not check. I guess when you checked switches though you would have noticed.
What number is that 1000 reel starting at when you try to reset the machine?
Try a different number, like 8 or 9, and see what happens.
Just for fun.
6th player issue sounds like a bare or crossed wire to me. Follow that wire back to see if anything is touching somewhere.
Quoted from PinDeLaPin:One finger looked to be just a little off and I was able to bend it a bit which straightened it up but did not fix the problem. Still have a few more bank switches plus all the rollover switches that need to have their contacts cleaned which is my plan for today. As it sits now my problems are; The pin rollover switches aren't working all the time on the 2nd shot only the ones against the back that verify a shot. The 100 reel is sometimes not counting even though I have removed that reel and cleaned those switch contacts. Lastly the score reel on player 6 for some reason will register 1 to 6 points while in 1 player mode. Feels like I am getting closer to the end and I can see the light now at the end of the tunnel.
I can tell by your time stamps that you are seriously working on this thing! Either that, or you are an insomniac!
Maybe try to activate only 1 rollover per frame?
Ex: "roll" the #7 pin on both pucks.
Continue with different pins each frame.
You may be able to isolate that 6th reel issue.
Yes, pretty certain you do not have regulation scoring.
This is how they used to keep score on these machines.
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