Nothing wrong there, that is correct.

Ken

500 (same lit and unlit; lit only advances the sequence, doesn't score different point value.)

edit: nope, should score 3000 lit due to the advance (which is what I get for reading schematics late at night).

Should award a replay instead of 1000 points. (Controlled by the 9th position make/break switch on the Sequence Unit.)

3000 points.

Should score 1000 Not Lit and just the Special When Lit.

Sounds like everything is working as it should.

Ken

You're both wrong. The top lanes score 500 when unlit and 3000 and an advance when lit.

That's what I just said, 3000 points Lit. How is that wrong when you just confirmed that?

Ken

No offense intended.

You are correct at 3000 when lit. You said 1000 when not lit where it is 500. Sorry I wasn't clearer.

I did not say anything regarding Un-lit as she only asked for Lit Lanes.

Ken

My apologies. I was reading top three lanes and she was asking out lane. How about I just erase all of my posts above and start over.

No problem Mike. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't losing my mind.....yet.

Ken

Ken, I'm the one that has lost his mind and Atlantis is my desert island game.

I need to aim better before I shoot next time.

That wasn't too bad. Glad you got it working. We look forward to your report back in a week or two after you've put a hundred games or so on it.

Sounds like the issues this game had were pretty straightforward. Some games can be this way. Others not so much. In fact I actually misadjusted a game I was working on last week chasing an issue. Once I found the actual source of the issue I discovered a different issue that my previous adjustment created. I had a friend over Saturday and it took him to help me identify my self induced problem.

The takeaway from this is patience.

That's what I get for reading schematics late at night.

However, the Special rollover lane scores either 1000 or a replay (I at least got that part right).

If it's still scoring 1000 when Special is lit, then the 9th position make/break switch on the Sequence Unit is likely in a make/make state.

I'm looking forward to your opinion after you've played 100 or so games on it.

Once you start to learn the personality of the game's bounces your scores will improve only to a point. It should still remain challenging to the point that it is not a game you can beat regularly. If it gets to that point then it is set up too easy and something should be adjusted.

I have mine set between 65K and 70K for the first replay threshold.

To change it to 3 ball there is a slim 6 or 7 pin jones plug connector sitting right in the center of the main relay board in the bottom of the cabinet. Pull it and put it on the left side for three ball. It should already be on the right for five ball.

I have to admit I don't know how it plays on 3 ball. It does light up two lanes at a time on top and at the stand up targets when they are lit for 3 ball. Might be fun to try. I've always played it on 5 ball.

I'd leave it on 5 ball. These games were really meant for it. You can change them to 3 ball, but it gimps the rules and makes the game easier to compensate.

As Aurick says, it takes away a good portion of the fun when set to 3 Ball play. As I recall, Atlantis will light ALL of the "Advance when lit" targets and roll overs so it will advance through the 1-9 faster. And, sometimes, things like Pop Bumpers that alternate lit and unlit will all be lit the entire game.

Single Player Gottlieb Wedge heads just weren't really designed to be 3 ball. It was only an option they had to make available to support the various markets. If a Wedgie is too easy on 5 Balls, you can increase pitch a bit, and/or, open up the posts at the outlanes. Some games even have Liberal/Conservative post settings for the rollovers up top.

5 ball, conservative posts, get 3" levelers for the back legs and crank 'em up...

high replay levels...

it'll be plenty hard...

also fwiw, cj and aurich directly mentioned it, and mikeo alluded to it... it really never gets mentioned very often (if at all) that wedgeheads really play better as 5 ball games... i think it is kind of taken for granted, so it is never brought up...

for someone coming from the "3 ball, dmd world", that may seem a bit strange...

Thks for raising this issue bellbrand because I had the identical question for resolution on my recently acquired machine. The subsequent clarification in this thread stops me from needlessly pursuing what I could not deduce from the schematic.

sounds like it is hard enough for now then...

you've got two learning curves to deal with right now...

first, mikeo mentioned earlier that you'll learn the "personality" of the machine and it may (or may not) need to be adjusted some to keep it in that "just hard enough to not beat regularly" zone...

second one is that you have to learn how to play "em pinball"... NUDGE that bad boy...

5 ball on Atlantis is all I know and it fits the game.

3 ball on Quick Draw, from basically the same year, is a great fit.

So the comment that single player games were set up more with 5 balls in mind fits.

I was right there when I set my Atlantis back up a few months ago. It took me 30-40 games to get back into some better scores.

Exactly. Most Multiplayer games play from ball to ball (everything resets) so it doesn't really matter if its 2 balls, 3 balls or 10 balls. Only how much it costs per play and how high the replay level is/was. In fact, it may be better suited for 3 ball play if the game is regularly rolled over.

The single player sequence games, were usually perfectly set up for that "oh, so close" aspect of nearing completion making you dig in your pocket for another coin.

yup... single player games are 1 5-ball game... multiplayers are (with very few exceptions) "x" 1 ball games...

that contributes heavily towards my single player bias...

that's what we like to hear!

Soooo... basically this machine fixed itself?

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The ball kicker always seems temperamental on this era Gottlieb. Let me guess it takes a couple times to get the ball into the shooter lane.

It might have been edited. See if you get my music. My favorite new song this week.

yea true... kick, clang off apron... kick, clang off apron... kick, clunk into the shooter lane...

but this doesn't sound like the "normal gtb kick behaviour"?

you shouldn't have to push start again to get the ball to serve... it should keep trying until it gets it into the shooter lane...

if you have to repeatedly press the start button to get the first ball to serve (note that what alex points out isn't unique to the "first ball", it can/does happen on any ball), then something else is up...

Not always:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/em-gottlieb-ball-return-not-kicking-ball-out-to-shooter-one-cause

Is this the atlantis you were looking at a few months ago on CL? From memory it was a very clean example and there was a lot of drooling over it. Anyways, I hope you enjoy the game. I love mine...so classy and challenging. A good game for me is 50 to 70000 on 5 ball.
cheers
Ps hi Mike hi Rod!

What switch are you calling the ball eject switch?

Maybe the trough switch? Could need a minor adjustment or cleaning.