Great American Pinball is a member here and he does nice work.

http://www.greatamericanpinball.com/categories.asp?categoryId=1

Personally I think your wasting your time. As the_pin_family outlined in detail you can see what type of machine and what type of person the seller is.

I get excited about buying pins but use your gut feeling and walk away. There will be many more belive me and you will be glad you waited. Those are cleaned up dime a dozen pins. They may be in better shape but still for those prices I would want to see.

New ramps and plastics, LED's, new coin door etc.

Even if its not a high end restoration there should have been a TON more parts and work put into this.

My deal breaker is he touts CPU Upgrades and other stuff but yet its really nothing. Those are flags to walk away as you will never be able to talk him down in price.

Just pass and keep looking. I know something better will come around. Those 2 titles you see a lot for sale.

Take some money and offer him $3000 for both. Cash talks.

His asking prices are frankly insulting for what he does.

If I were you I'd post a wanted add in the marketplace telling people what you are looking for. It sounds to me like you are looking more for pins that are in very good shape without any issues, not a high end restore. High end restores are better than new, more like a show car versus a clean car that is stock. Most people wouldn't sink the money for a high end restore into either of those titles because they wouldn't get their return on investment if they go to sell. Not that they aren't good pins, but they aren't near the top of the list as far as being desirable.

He's trying to pull one over on you, playing you for an idiot. I wouldn't even offer 3k for both.. Maybe 2,600 or so. I would bring proof of their worth. I would also point out that he has possibly falsified F14 as a proto-type. Tell him that you'll take them without the warranty - chances are he won't honor it anyway.

If you still plan on going to look at them, I would do so with a chip on my shoulder. I would let him talk the machines up again, and then call the guy out while waving some cash in his face (if you still want the games).

I don't know but a few. That would be a good thread. I'd like to know also.

That guy is a wanker, pure and simple. Bad Cats is a $1200-1400 machine in mint shape. I just passed on one at a dealer in that price range. Mint condition and 30 day warranty, too.

I know you were hoping to get there and see two machines if perfect condition so you could justify taking them home. Unfortunately that's pinball at times. Good luck with the search.

At least you got to see a bunch and learn.

I actually laughed out loud on that one....

I would say it was barely worth the 20 min drive for that absurdity...But live and learn.

You bastard! A BSD with a cc'd PF??? How did you luck out with that...

Good call for getting the other machines.

I wonder if they are really clearcoated? Or are they just diamond plated from the factory? Does the OP know the difference??

Are the cabinets really repainted? Or do you mean redecaled or touched up??

With any luck, this guy will go long before Clint Eastwood..

Hasn't that guy seen Hang Em High? Clint Eastwood can't die, he'll just come back for revenge.

Nice score! 2 of my fave games! My BSD is minty, but my FT is more of a player's game cabinet wise...

He's a double D.

...Douchebag Dealer.

Those prices for pins in that condition is exploitative.

Good call on those two. You are going to have a much easier time getting out of those two if you ever wanted to, which you won't because FT and BSD are AWESOME!

you don't have to answer... but what was those prices you paid for those machines?
not at the place i hope!

does anybody know this seller or ever bought a machine from this rip-off guy.

I am definitely not saying I agree with this guys prices and/or what he stands for but the Pin is worth what a person will pay for it. I personally feel bad for people who have no idea and get ripped off by DD like this. I have seen it before and I am sure we will see it again, just my 2 cents.