Several months back, I acquired a 1949 Chicago Coin Golden Gloves. It was not working at the time, and I've now got it up and running quite nicely, except for the score reset.

Before anyone says to check the schematic, there doesn't appear to be one... I have literally scoured the planet. In addition to checking all of the usual sources for such things, I've been in touch with woodrail collectors all over the world, and no one has a schematic for this (or a schematic for "Football" or "Tahiti" which appear to be nearly identical with different artwork). In fact, I haven't found a schematic for *ANY* CC machine of this era, so I suspect they don't exist.

Anyway, on to the scoring issue... There are two score steppers in this machine. One manages the 10,000s scores, the other manages the 100,000s. The scoring *works* in so far as the targets score the correct values when hit, but when one starts a new game, it does not reset correctly. The 100,000s resets to 0, the 10,000s steps down to some random value (sometimes to 0, but usually not).

Below is a picture of the 10,000s stepper. I took the picture some months ago before I had the machine working. At the time, I thought the unit may have been something "off the rack", that wouldn't have originally had a coil attached at the top (the rusty spot) since there is a clock spring that "unwinds" the stepper when the lower coil unlocks. I came to that conclusion as there's no cut or noticably missing wiring. It now occurs to me that maybe there *should* be a coil there, and that it must be run in parallel to the coil on the 100,000s unit.

Thoughts on that logic? More importantly, does anyone have a CC machine of this vintage and would you be willing to take a photo of your 10,000s unit and explain to me the wiring of the top coil (if there is indeed on there)?

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No, it does not.

Yes, gear moves freely and spins without resistance. It steps up to the correct score values when hit. It just doesn't go back to zero.

No clock spring. These are hinged units-- very easy to access the back side of them.

It works. I intend to replace a number of coils and sleeves when (if) I find a schematic-- none of the coils on the machine have value markings - just plain black or yellow wrappers.

Hmmm... now you've got me wondering. I created another thread earlier this summer as I was trying to get the machine working, and there was some back and forth about the capacitor on the score motor - and you were part of that conversation (first relevant post in the thread: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/where-to-find-chicago-coin-schematics#post-3262500). As part of that conversation, I also noted that if I held the coin insert bar in, the score motor would zero out. I had forgotten that point once it started working, and I will try it again that way tonight.

I still can't figure out how the score zeros out.

So, I finally managed to acquire a schematic. It's for the game "Tahiti" (http://ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=2490) which is nearly identical in playfield layout (has one more pop bumper than Golden Gloves, otherwise everything looks the same).

I'll scan in what I think are the relevant sections and see if any of you can make sense of it.

Here's the relevant part of the schematic. It's quite simple really, but I don't see any sort of hold or something that will stop the score when it gets to zero. Any thoughts?

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Bump. Been quite a while since the last response on this one... maybe someone who missed it before will see it and be able to provide some insight.

Hmmm... Not arguing, trying to work through it in my head...

It would seem to me that if that position were not hit, the score motor would keep running, no? Mine does not-- the score decrements, just not reliably to zero. It's not as though it counts to zero then counts back up to some score, it's a though the condition has been satisfied, so the score motor stops running. I'll have to play with this section and specifically that switch, tomorrow and see if I can make some sense of it.