And I'm just leaving pit road and coming on track with your car....I mean pin. Thanks for bringing it over yesterday. While sprucing it up last night I broke the mounting point for the "Use left flipper to enter pit road when flashing" sign. It's only mounted to the ramp plastic and it had been broken and reglued at some point. I repaired it with a small stainless steel strip, only took about 20 min. and is now better then new. Replacing all the gi bulbs with frosted led but will leave the inserts as is for the time being. First mod to go on will be the speaker panel decal then the tach then ??? maybe some Comet led strips.

4 years ago on a SWELTERING Florida August day I put 24 laps on Daytona doing the Richard Petty Experience. My car only had a 650hp "B" motor so I was limited to 6300rpm but it was still good enough for a fastest lap of 160mph. Back then you had to follow your instructor and he set your speed but you were still in the car by yourself. Now the instructor rides with you and tells you when to go faster. What a bummer, nothing like being in a race car by yourself. It was soooo hot in the car sweat was poring into my mouth and rivers were running down my sides. I came away with a whole new respect for what those NASCAR guys do.

I bought the 2 camera on board video and added my buddies footage from the infield, did some editing and added titles for lap, time, speed etc. Turned out WAY cool.

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Fun aint it. How many laps? I did it before they resurfaced the track and in between turn 3-4 there was a dip that jerked my head sideways every lap. I don't know how the drivers in a real race, in traffic and 30-40mph faster then me could handle it. I know they have side head guards on their seats and I didn't but man hitting that just messed me all up.

Hey guys, check out the topic "My Custom NASCAR topper & mod talk". I just finished a light up mod for the 'Saturday Night Short Track Racing" sign. I think it turned out great. Here's a teaser shot.

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I told ya it was a teaser. Go see my "How to" post.

Happy modding.

Yup I saw that option also.

Been to quiet here so I thought I'd wake you guy up with my new spot light mod. A modified Binballbulbs double spot light.

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Before.

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After. It really makes a big difference.

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I for one don't know what GP sounds like.

Well done.

I gotta get that rom, every little bit helps. I've been trying leds in the inserts but it will clearly need the OCD board, the game has beautiful light patterns. I've put 2 double spots on the slings and the one tall double (see above post) spot in that spot and a strip behind the sign (see above post). It would be nice to light up the Test Car scoop but with the way that assembly works it's not possible. Lighting up the flipper buttons (I did in red) looks great with this game.

You can tell it's fake?

I agree on all counts, I just wish it wasn't such an air ball monster and had more car and music sounds.

Very nice. You get the on car vid also? I'll have to dig my plaque out and post a picture.

Anyone have the Hooked tach on their NASCAR? I just put one on and with a good solid shot to the spinner I can only get about 4000rpm out of it. What can you get out of yours? On Mustang I can up to 8000.

Looks like you were over 6k a few times.

Found my plaque. In the second picture I added all the run text in PhotoShop, didn't come that way from RPE.

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Hi Guys, just put on the speaker panel sticker on my NASCAR so I thought I'd share my thoughts. The graphics look good but the material is not, way to thin and all 3 of the cutouts don't fit worth a damn. All of them are way to small, at least 1/2inch could have been cut off on all 4 sides of each cutout. It was for sale on ebay with a make offer so I offered $20 and they accepted. So for $28 shipped it's OK I guess. Ya get what ya pay for right.

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You can see how much should have been cut off on this shot. All 4 sides on all 3 cutouts should have had this much cut off for a proper fit.

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Hey guys why so quiet? Anyways, I just put a 12in. blue 12v led strip in the shooter lane and it looks really nice, took about 30 minutes.

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Yeah the strip lit it up nice. I'm getting leds too from Comet should be here Monday. I'll let ya know what I got, can't remember right off hand and they are out of the lcd OCD boards which will be a must have for this game.

I just put Comets "Sunlight" frosted bulbs in the 10 sockets of the pf backboard and they give the graphics a much more daylight look. Try um.

Yeah, don't play it. Sorry just had to say that. Mine with about 600 plays is still like new so that routed game must have had 1000's of games on it. The only thing to do is put some mylar on it and and roll it over the edge so it is stuck to the bottom of the pf.

I wouldn't put that on the pf.

No idea.

Bad or gummed up coil sleeve, mushroomed tip that makes contact with the ball?

A word of WARNING. I took the captive ball plastic off to put a glow ball in and I noticed the plastic looked a little foggy so I used some Novis #2 on the underside to shine it up. That was a BAD idea because it completely clouded up BAD! The only thing I can figure is that when the printed and cleared the back side they cleared the whole thing, printed AND clear part.

To try and fix it I wet sanded with 2000 grit to get whatever coating was on the clear part of the plastic then went over it many times with Novis 3 and 2. It still looks like shit so I dropped Stern a line asking is they had plastic #21 they could sell me. We'll see what happens now.

Anyone have an extra #21 captive ball plastic.

Kevgascan and anyone else here are some pictures of how I mounted the 2nd 30cm blue led strip on the right lower part of the race track buy the apron. The apron fit perfectly by mounting the 3/4in. wide polished stainless steel strip is mounted on. The led assembly is then glued on to the back of the race track metal so the led strip is resting on top of the race track metal using clear silicone which works just perfect when the stainless is bent to follow the curve. I hope all this make sense when you see the pictures. It really looks great along with the shooter lane strip I put on.

As you can see in the last 2 pictures I also added a Comet 6.3v green 7 led strip to the plastic center drain also. Just siliconed it to the back of the plastic drain.

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OK guys here's my latest light mod. The left upper corner of the race track was really dark so using a Comet 6.3v blue 7 led strip I made a holder from 1/2in. polished stainless steel and stuck the strip to it. It really does a nice job of lighting that area. Total time about 3 hours, total cost about $5.

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Most excellent.

Just installed the OCD board in mine, took about 15 minutes. Works great right out of the box but will have to tweak it a bit but I can tell it will work as advertised.

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I put another one in Avatar LE that has Comet Ghostbusters in it and I don't really have to tweak it at all and NASCAR has the Comet .69 cent twin led bulbs which they say to use but I have to tweak it. Very strange.

Really. The shipping would have been a killer for you that's for sure. Yeah check out my light mods, I think they brighten up the game a lot. Welcome to the club.

Welcome to you also.

If you want to see something really funny take the balls out and power up the game. I just goes spazzy.

Let the modding begin.

Looking goooood.

Hey Capt ya got time to talk. I pm'd you my number.

OK, I'm home all Friday evening. Working on pins of course what else.

Sorry, no clue here.

What ya doin?

Yup your busy. Don't expect much for the speaker panel, very thin and fits like crap, the openings are not cut to fit so they are way smaller then the openings of the panel. If you want one he accepts offers, I offered him $20 and he took it.

Interesting.

Looks like this game is turning out to be pretty deep.

Looks great, now if you could only make um for us Ford guys.

That PDG if ya ask me.

Well welcome, sounds like you have your work cut out for yourself, I'll help if I can. Did you read all the posts so far? Some good stuff there.

I hope you saw my light mods I did to mine in past posts and the ocd board is a must when you put leds in it. As far as the gap between the flippers it's just a little over 2 inches which is very good considering the gap on Mustang is almost 2-1/2 inches and 2-1/4 inches for MET. Your right about the plastics, I've never seen any. Your Rusty and Miller logos are correct. Did you go to ebay and search "Nascar pinball", I thought I saw an alt translite there and you might find some plastics. The cab sides and bb are screened. For this game you pretty much have to make your own mods. I put 3 double spot lights on mine and some blue led strips and lit flipper buttons.

Your gonna love the ocd on NASCAR, the light show is great with the sweeps and fades. If a ramp breaks we're screwed and hope that Freeplay40 comes to the rescue with a new ramp. Never seen that ramp protector before.

The screws should be #6-1/2in. Don't know about the slop, never had a problem with mine so don't know what's inside the slide mech. I'm just guessing here but the bolt is what limits the side slop and that bolt is worn. Pull it apart and post pictures of those inner workings.

Looks like I was wrong, #8-1/2in. hold the bracket to the playfield. I don't understand where you have T-nuts for the bracket. Did you take them off in picture #1?

The screws that help "lock in" the t-nuts like the other t-nuts around them are #6-1/2in.

Or maybe he could go with a bigger diameter bolt to take up the slop. And put a very light coat of grease on the slide mech.

The only root cause is that that's the way it was designed, if it were designed better it would have roller bearings. All this talk prompted me to take the plate off and look at mine, just normal slop on mine. I cleaned the old grease off the bearings and plates and put this on. Everyone should have this in their toolbox, great stuff.

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Better be Teflon then.

Yeah, it was old and sticky so I cleaned it off and put the good stuff on that plate, rollers and roller paths.

What??? let's see a picture. The ball is only coming down the ramp with no real force behind it so a Cliffy wouldn't do anything. I gotta see this break.

I would think that the wires that stick up for the switches are the cause, one or 2 may have to be bent up so they push down further for switch contact. Go into switch test and roll a ball over each one and see if they register.

Just what I've posted so far. I myself don't like the look of white/clear inserts with colored bulbs in them, only 2 of mine have color changers in them and of course lighting up the Saturday Night Racing sign.

The best I can count there are 23 yellow, 13 orange, 18 white and 7 red inserts. I tried color matching them and it looked like crap except for the red and white. I wound up putting Comet 2 smd clear dome bulbs in all except the red which I put red flex's in to really light them up. The white clear dome bulbs let the original color of the inserts shine and they also let the facets of the inserts sparkle like my Mustang Pro and ST Pro. When they designed the game they should have put a few green and blue inserts in to give it more color I think. My game looks more modern now. Hope ya got the OCD board in it.

Maybe you could come up with a better sign mod?

I tried the yellows in the yellow inserts and they were to dark for me so I stuck with the white. If I had the money and the time I'd get the star post lights from that German place (can't remember their name) they are something like $13 each but they fit completely inside the post, I have a couple on my Space Shuttle and they really look great. Yeah that sign above the drops is bad, it needs to be completely removed and something enclosed made so it could be lit would really be custom. Keep us posted with what ya come up with for drop targets. I know another Pinsider that might be able to come up with something for them, he's sending me some custom ones for my T3.

I use cool, to me it let's the natural yellow color of the insert show. One thing I just did to add another color to the game was to put a few of Comets 2 smd clear dome yellows in a few of the yellow inserts. These yellows are brighter but have a slight orange tint to them. So now I have a few inserts that are inbetween a yellow and an orange. It looks interesting but I wish the pf had a few greens and blues.

Don't know, give them a call or email. The listing says Stern.

Your game has had a hard life, just look at that coil dust under the apron. When I get a new game that's the first thing I clean. Did the wireform break at a weld? Is so that will be an easy fix but you may have to get it chromed if your OCD kicks in. Good luck finding any of the plastic ramps, I've never seen any for sale. I have seen a pf for sale and the stickers.

If the Newton wireform isn't fixable I wonder if Marco or someone has one. If the outer loop is through the clear that could be a problem. If there's no paint missing maybe you could tare it down, clean it up and have it cleared.

The clear from the factory isn't the best that's for sure. While you can still get one why don't you go all out and buy a new pf and have it professionally cleared. Probably 1k or under total then you'd have a NASCAR that would be worth a lot more. Then sell the old one for a restore.

Bayareaamusements has them in stock for $400. Now THAT'S a deal for a new one.

I would think a trough switch but if it doesn't saw "ball missing" at start up it might not be. Just have to muttle through switch matrix best ya can. I've never really messed with the optos myself.

I totally understand, wow $700 CAD man that's tough. I don't know how you guys can stay in the hobby with that shit. I feel like getting one and light it up just for wall art. Could be worth some good money 10 years from now. I'll be following your progress.

I don't know but I don't like the sound of that.

I'd check the switch for the last ball in the trough then.

Crap, I knew I should have gone. Maybe next year. Do you know any way to contact that person?

I don't think so, I've had some pf's shipped and not all that far and it was still $50. How much would duty fees and gas to your US address and the time round trip?

Sorry can't help ya, I'm way to busy working on my games and my Mustang to mess around with that crap.

Thanks much.

They be drivin all over the pf now. Looks good. Now ya gotta light up that Saturday Night Short Track sign. That area needs lighting bad.

I've got the same one, it's from Pinsider hooked, www.hookedonpinball.com a little over $100 shipped. Very easy to install, it's plug n play.

Yes but it has been modified by hooked but it's a trade secret as to what he did.

Yup no way.

Yeah he researched the heck out of it and found no way to work around it.

Oh man that's the shits, it's that bad. There has to be a ramp out there somewhere. Put a Wanted to buy ad up. Did you check Australia? You can come and play mine anytime.

Good for you, keep us posted on your progress.

You got that right.

That's right, practice makes perfect. Same when putting it down. You get the hang of it rather quickly when you have mirror blades on a game.

Nope I don't. Without it does your sling plastic sit level? For some reason that plastic post looks shorter then mine. Do you have a star post on each sling down by the apron?

No that's right but the washer on the left post should only be as big as the rounded tip of the plastic that sits on top of the post. I imagine just a little bigger might not hurt but the one you have on is waaaay to big. Are those bulbs the old flat top ones? You really need to toss those and get Comet clear dome led's, they are sooo much better. The OCD board is a MUST for the inserts on this game. Your playfield inserts will fade and sweep like it was designed to do and it works right out of the box with no adjustments.

Nah...that's ok, I can do without.

Awh you know what your doing, good man.

Your very welcome sir. Leftovers leds...I have hundreds of leftovers and for some reason (that I'll never understand) I almost always don't have what I'm looking for when I want to try something new. It's partly Comets fault... they keep coming out with new stuff. Yes I color matched the flashers with the flat 8 led flashers. By using the flat ones it "fills" the flasher domes with color. If I use the tower type I can almost make out the individual leds on the sides of the tower and I can for sure see them on the top because they are so close to the top of the dome. I like the more pure color it gives the pf top side flasher domes. I put reds in the yellow domes and they look nice and orange when they fire and the domes look yellow when they don't. Crazy hugh.

Incandescent's came in the game. You put 20 incandescents in the game? Are the leds the old flat top ones? If so they were the first gen of leds and were really bad. After cleaning the underside of all the inserts I put in Comets 69 cent twin led white clear domes in mine and the facets of the inserts sparkle now like the new Sterns. I love the look. Only color matched the reds.

Are you using the clear dome or frosted?

Yes in the inserts. Well all I can say is that I have the 69 cent Comet 2 led clear domes in my yellow inserts and they are yellow. Are your inserts clean on the underside? That's about the only thing I can think of.

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What are Pinsider friends for. Have you seen the pictures of what I've done to my game in the thread?

Mot me, I really don't care for his work.

None from me. Sorry.

No, my camera just makes them look that way. All are Comet clear dome, 2 led .69 cents each, 100k-white, 150k-yellow, 200k-yellow, 250k-yellow, Speed Shot-red, Collect Race-orange and Jack Pot-white. The yellows are brighter then other makers yellows but they have a slight orange tinge to them. You'll just have to get some and see if you like them. You might also try all white in them and see if you like that also. It's just trial and error till ya get what ya like.

Are your inserts clean on the underside? Try the clear dome leds. As you can see from my pictures my yellow inserts are beautiful with the clear domes.

Hey that's great to hear about the garage. I had a party last night and a few hours in the game went into ball search and said NO balls were in it. CRAP!!! Haven't had time to look at it yet. It's really a pisser to have a game go down to the point of having to turn it off right when your having a great party. I HATE!! that. All other games played perfectly thank God.

No problem if ya got a buddy that can TIG weld.

Yup if the ball drains between the flippers and the VUK kick's it to the ball trough it's not the VUK switch, it's one of the trough switches. You'll have to drop the trough and go to switch test and manually try each switch. I'm having the same problem but have only had time to test the VUK switch, which does work. It worked without going into switch test because it was kicking the balls up into the trough.

Nice to have you here, hope ya keep it for a while. Yeah that's the only way. Hope he didn't scalp ya to bad.

In this hobby are you kidding me.

Ohhhh I see, the age old hobby killer "wife" syndrome. That's why I never got married. Many years ago when the talk got serious with a couple of old girlfriends they "told" me it was either them or the Mustang.......I still have the Mustang.

Well just a few more years and you'll be out of the dog house. I've had my Mustang 45 years and counting.

Sorry I got nuttin for ya.