Rubbers are silicone (not polyurethane) and the FAST audio board specs are described at fastpinball.com! Hope that helps

Ah thanks, ok 15wrms - cheers.

Thanks LLoyd!

Curious how the very nice JBL sub sounds with only 15 watts power and aggressive 100-120Hz cut-off?

Wow, you really are in a magical place right now lol. I wish you the best.

Think I can see why it’s being used

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This is the only game ever my wife has asked me to buy. Her sister stayed with us last weekend and even she was begging me to buy it. They made me watch the movie again as if to prove the point.

And I’m still undecided. Wtf is wrong with me?

apparently Scott Danesi flew to Houston to help them with their sound system for this game so I'm assuming it will be fine...

15 wrms per channel is actually pretty good for this type of setup and I'm curious why you think 100hz sloped low pass filter is aggressive for an 8" driver.

MM is just Monty Python and was written and performed by comedians from Second City. Most original themes today are made by whoever is in the room. I am not saying I could do better but the fact I know I can't makes me more self aware.

Nothing, you are probably just financially responsible

Medieval Madness - Tina Fey
Galactic Tank Force - Kerri Hoskins

basically the same level of talent right??

While I get your point, tell me everything Tina Fey was known for, in 1997 when MM was made?

You should probably buy it just to bank the goodwill with your wife. If you end up selling it down the road for a loss, then that gives you cover on your thunderbirds (or godfather etc....) purchase....

Does someone have to be famous to be funny?

It's not dumb luck that they found funny people. None of it was dumb luck. They had a good team of people who brought different skill sets and that knew what was good.

We have not yet since seen such a team. Team Elwin is pretty good. Good layout, mechs, rules, code, art. But there's the stuff that is hard to point at... the soul. It's easy to hide/ make up for when you've got a great IP and licensed assets but I'm not convinced anyone can put out an unlicensed theme that would be good enough to justify not spending a little $ on a license.

BOF seems to have a lot of cool people working there. Based on the attention to detail on this pin and how much "soul" it has, seems like they've got a great team. Maybe they could make a decent unlicensed pin but after listening to the Aussie Podcast with David, seems like the themes are what got him into pinball. He loves film and he has a lot of skill and experience working with licensors and seems like he appreciates the value of using licensed IP for pinball. So I doubt we'll see anything unlicensed from them.

p.s. shoutout to TNA, the best and dare I say only good unlicensed game since the 90s.

Sonya Blade > Tina Fey

Be sure to check out the Flip N Out Pinball YouTube channel tonight at 9PM CST for a brand new stream of Labyrinth! A few of us on the development team will be hanging out in the chat!

The license vs original theme conversation has been probably beaten to death by now, so I'll just say that I definitely agree selling a license is easier, this thread is proof positive of it, and that shouldn't take away from BOF clearly doing justice to a beloved theme.

Just having the license isn't enough, you gotta represent it well, and that's what I see here.

I'll be there, thanks for the reminder.

That's my plan !

LTG : )

Labyrinth pinball - great
Company website name - terrible

barrelsofpinballfun.com

is available if all they're going to make is pinball machines.

The actual

barrelsoffun.com

domain is currently not in use and looks like just a placeholder. Maybe they just didn't want to pay whatever the dot com hoarder is asking for the site name.

How many have you gotten for you? If you are neutral and she is this excited, this is your chance to get your wife more into your hobby in a way that you both can share. Marriages do better with shared interests and activities. Besides, the reviews are that the game is solid, well built, great to play, etc totally apart from the theme. It’s a winner. Go for it before its totally sold out.

They have said they are going to be doing non-pinball stuff.

Being in Second City, one of the most famous and storied Comedy Troupes of all time. Getting a world famous comedy group to write comedy should be the qualification. Is this a serious question?

Sure, go poll 100 pinball players out there, and ask them if they are aware of the members of Second City in 1997. I'm sure they'll rattle them all off.

Never heard of em.

Of course, they’re all for me. Tbh, I’m not convinced any theme would get her more interested in pinball. I think she’s already forgotten about Labyrinth lol. So at the end of the day it’s still going to be me playing it.

Having watched the movie again, it is a shame Jennifer Connelly isn’t in the game at all. I get you’re playing as her, but you could easily switch from some footage with her in it to playing as her. I’m assuming it was a licensing cost issue ie. the game would benefit from having her in it but is it worth the extra cost?

Yeah, I wish she was in it at least a little bit.

You are not playing as her. You are playing as you. Its been said many times from David and Brian that they wanted to make a game about your adventure. Its about the World of the Labyrinth. Has nothing to do about her rights. They are not making up that it is "your adventure" to skirt away from not getting her. David is an honest dude and I personally know individuals who were part of this project. It was a decision that makes the game your story. Has nothing to do with license costs....We need to end this deal with Jennifer Connelly cause its getting old. She's not in the game. Its a done deal. It is better with her not in it and would make no sense having her in the game the way the game is coded and made.

You’re not playing as her, you are playing as yourself.

Just my opinion but I’m not a super fan. My wife was disappointed she wasn’t in it and she has alot of nostalgia for Labyrinth.

I think the decision of cost Vs benefit of having her likeness was made early on when negotiating the license. And it’s a fair call on their part, but I don’t buy that the game wouldn’t benefit having her in it IF they already have the rights to use her. If it costs more, that’s a different argument.

In any case it’s a small run and I don’t think it will make any difference as to whether the game sells out. Which is why it’s also smart not to pay extra for her in the game.

That's why I'm not buying this pin.

I would take one look at Bowie and his bulge and say "keep the baby, I'm out!"

Yeh I get it. Then why not have some “cameo’s” or “Easter eggs” of her also in the Labyrinth as you make your way through it? If they have the footage, seems a shame bit to use it in some form. She is the main character.

But again, if it was a question of “is it worth the extra cost”, I don’t blame them for not including her.

Would have been better to include the main character in my opinion. Opens up the clips you can use. Who cares if you're playing you versus her? What does the me as the protagonist instead of her get us from a practical standpoint? I heard on a podcast that instead of choosing to go down like she did, then you can go up. Fine, then just use the clip that asks if you want to go up or down. And if the person picks up, then don't play the associated clip where she goes down. You're still doing the same category of things she did in the movie because they presumably didn't create new Labyrinth-inspired adventures for the game that aren't derived from movie clips, right?

Plus, including her would explain stuff like why dance magic dance is singing about a baby (because I don't have a baby, so how is the adventure about me?) and one imagines other things.

If they truly had the option to use clips of the star of the movie in the game and opted not to, then it's a mistake. But clearly not a fatal one. I assume the licensing would have been more expensive, so maybe that was a factor in making the creative choice to not.

I have no knowledge about this game, how it was made, what the decisions were, etc.

I do know what royalty costs for actors in a pinball can look like. They are, uh, not high, as a general rule. Not having a character is probably never an actual cost issue in any game.

Not sure why, but the "must be exactly like the movie" guys drive me crazier than any other pet cause subset of pinsiders.

You guys got over KME JP not having Jeff Goldblum, Sam Neill and Laura Dern, this too shall pass.

Tell me about it. It’s a GAME based on the world of the film. If a board game were released and the ONLY character piece was Sarah people would be pissed about that too. How uncreativvvve they would cry. Let’s be stoked we got a gorgeous game with excellent rules modes molds design etc etc. Its a clear home run, forget pre teen Jennifer Connelly. I’ve never seen so many grown men cry about NOT BEING ABLE TO BE A LITTLE GIRL lmao. That’s pinheads for ya.

Such a non issue that some really talented people felt the need to spend 100’s of hours putting all that back in the game and the end result completely transformed it.

I've played the JP "movie code" and found it detracted from the immersive game world the design team created. I don't want to see a 30-year old movie clip in place of custom animation. But you guys enjoy watching your DVDs or whatever.

Same with me and my husband. I’m always encouraging him to buy more machines with themes I enjoy. This one was a no brainer for us.

I actually don’t really care either way in this case. I’m not convinced it’s better without Connelly. Just shooting the shit.

But while we’re here, is any David Bowie footage actually in the game?

Yes many clips with David.

Some secret mod excitement for those of you who preordered a Labyrinth. I am designing a shooter rod that is way better than the nipper. You're gonna love it. No spoilers yet but hopefully, hopefully I'll have a model ready in a few months. I plan on it being movie quality. It's modeled directly after the movie. I have to test out a bunch of stuff to make sure it can hold up to use and abuse since it's a shooter rod. After that working on a topper cover to hide the base. If I can manage it, I'm thinking about putting the Labyrinth doors on it but I have to figure out if there's a way to tap into the wiring to automate a mechanic when the game starts and ends... for reasons . Also thinking of some start button replacements.

I agree the looped standard music is kinda bad. They should put in an instrumental of the intro theme song as the background music. That song has some good rhythm for the game. If they don't change the song, I'm going to find a way to insert custom music. I've been working on an instrumental rendition of the intro music. It really is perfect for the background tune.

By the way, it's time to settle this once and for all.

The bulge that is.

"For those who may not recall, Davis was one of the actors who played the Goblin Corps, a character with perhaps the biggest arc in the film. As the interview was winding down, Warwick spent a moment recalling how Bowie “wanted to go by Dave” during filming and that he “was very, very down to earth.” He also made the not-so-startling revelation that the man known for such hits as “Space Oddity” and “Under Pressure” would jam “seven pairs of socks down his tights,” adding “those tights were a bit too tight, weren’t they?” And with this, the mystery of the bulge has finally been solved — although we’ve always had our suspicions."

https://collider.com/warwick-davis-david-bowie-labyrinth-comments/

Rest in Peace David. We all love/d you, seven sock bulge or just plain flat crotched Dave.

Crystal ball shooter rod?

Live stream is up!

Exactly my guess. Crystal ball.

Or sock bulge rod. One or the other.