Quoted from viper001:
As an outsider to past nasty debates (and hopefully therefore an impartial 3rd party observer) as much as the JJP haters get thrashed for causing problems on the forum it does seem like the JJP crusaders deserve a lot of the blame. What is actually refreshing about this thread is that actual, legitimate problems with the game can be discussed without the people reporting them being shouted out of the room as "haters", etc.
As a not-so-unbiased contributor who wasn't put on vacation, that's not how I see it at all. Typically, what happened first is someone (usually one of only a few someones) posts some jab at WOZ, JJP, or WOZ fans. Typically it's one of the following:
* Controversial statement or opinion with no provided reasoning, and personal opinions rarely qualified as such
* Negative rumor or innuendo with no backing facts
* Information that is provably false
* Provocative statement that has nothing to do with the topic at hand
These are usually worded so as to purposefully get a rise out of WOZ/JJP fans, who admittedly can get a bit over-emotional on responses, but also kept vague enough so that the poster can backtrack and claim ignorance when the topic inevitably gets out of hand.
When you say "actual, legitimate problems with the game can be discussed without the people reporting them being shouted out of the room as "haters", etc.", if you look closer the people typically being shouted out of the room as "haters" did not have "actual legitimate problems". I'm not aware of any WOZ fan that has taken someone with a legitimate game problem, or a legitimate opinion that they were willing to support, or a legitimate piece of information not based entirely on hearsay, and shouted them out of the room.
I have certainly never done that - if anything, my arguments with individuals have been about trying to get them to simply *support* their statements, not prevent them from making them.