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My Williams High Speed LED conversion (w/map + lists)

By Pac-Fan

7 years ago

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#1 7 years ago

I basically have completed my playfield inserts/pop bumper conversion from incandescent to LED. Hopefully this will help others in the future. If you take a look at some of my recent posts, I have more information/pictures on things as I was testing them. This is a 'near final' representation of what I have decided to go with after a couple months of testing and 4 sample orders from PinballLife + CoinTaker combined.

The process I used was starting with all cool white Ablaze (PBL) 1 LED Frosted cool whites everywhere. I then started switching things out for specific colors and then trying numerous CoinTaker styles. In the end, there are only 2 styles used, the aforementioned Ablaze 1 LED Frosted's and then the CT Frosteds (that internally are 2 mini SMDs under the frosted dome). Plus a 3rd style -- the PBL "F-ing" bright 4 mini SMDs in their new warm-white for use under the pop bumpers as I mentioned on another thread (tons of details there).

Basically, by using cool whites, it shifted the yellows back to yellow instead of amber/orangish (much closer match to target plastic's/stop light colors). However it made the reds and greens too light, so I stuck with matched colors for them. By using Warm whites behind the 3 orange inserts it really brought them into a rich pumpkin orange instead of a rust-red orange of incandescent. The only actual color change I did was to fill the 9 clear tachometer thousand point triangles with blue instead of cool white. It works well due to the blue trim on the tach dial.

The final changes I did were after I noticed that the very far back triangles (but not stoplights) were a bit too dim due to distance and covered by the chrome rails, (and the 5 lower tach large triangles were not fully illuminated corner to corner) was to switch from the Ablaze to the CT frosted which made them feel to be the same brightness. This helped keep costs down too.. in the range of 31 cents each in bulk for the Ablaze and 72 cents each for the much fewer CT's. Using CTs over the entire board would have made the closer ones too bright, then again the farther away ones would feel too dim in comparsion.

I really like the frosteds as it never has a hot sharp edge on the inserts, they glow pretty evenly. A few spots could use some cover to keep light from leaking underneath a bit.

2 possible alterations I may (or other may want to) do from this:
- Use CT flex Super's on the two large "Freeway value" triangles (a bit far/dim and bad angle mount and being washed out with GI especially on left)
- Use a CT flex Super or an Ablaze 4 mini SMD "F-ing" bright on the "Drive again" between the flippers to really call attention to it on the rare time it's on (also bad angle mount)

Here is a layout of the board. On the left is the actual color rendition I was going for. On the right is a fake color-coded map showing what type of LEDs went where (the legend is underneath).

For PF GI, I believe I will switch all over to CT 2 Frosted Warm White. Not sure about everything in backbox yet, still testing some variations. Will update the post later once I get that all mapped out.


Appx costs:
49x , say 50 Ablaze frosted * .32 each in qty = $16
3x Ablaze 4 SMD * .89 = 2.67
13x CT Frosted x .79 - 10% = $9.25

Total: ~$27.92 for all these inserts/pop bumpers.

In the end, there are about 70 more PF GI and Backbox that would likely be CT Frosteds so 70 x .79 - 10% = $49.77; thus the entire game switched to LED in my liking (i.e not blinding ) for under $78 + shipping. Course I spent probably $40 over that in samples, but have been able to use those elsewhere or swap with a friend, or save for the next pin I get.

#2 7 years ago

Thanks for the posting and the effort, Pac Fan. I am going to try some LEDs in my High Speed in the near future. The playfield overall just seems dark to me compared to other games.


4 months later
#3 6 years ago

Thanks for this thread! I just bought a HS yesterday that I will pick up in the 13th. I was hoping to take advantage of CT's July 4th sale but wasn't sure what to get. I am going to just order all from CT and have Melissa substitute the Ablaze for something similar.

Also, since I will be getting flipper button LED on the sale (ordering other stuff too so will surely be over the $100), what color should I specify? I'm not familiar enough with the colors on HS to know but am thinking probably red or blue.

#4 6 years ago

You broke that down to a science. Good work

#5 6 years ago

Fantastic. Will help my buddy out immensely.
Thank you!!

#6 6 years ago

Thank you so much for posting this! I wish there were write ups like this for most games. Is there any way you could post a picture of the end result so I can see how the final product ended up? My HS is already equipped with LEDs but I would love to compare to see if I can make any improvements.

#7 6 years ago

You're all welcome! I am just finishing my new Jokerz! as well, and will have a LED map published for it as well. (Plus a ring map since the manual did not specify where they went, and there were mistakes in # and sizes on them as well)

I will doublecheck the above map as I think I may have done one last tweak to make a rear/hidden one brighter after I published it--though I think that captured everything.

Yeah, I can post some pics, but its very hard to get a decent one that makes it appear how it really looks.

#8 6 years ago
Quoted from VolunteerPin:

I am going to just order all from CT and have Melissa substitute the Ablaze for something similar.
Also, since I will be getting flipper button LED on the sale (ordering other stuff too so will surely be over the $100), what color should I specify? I'm not familiar enough with the colors on HS to know but am thinking probably red or blue.

Unfortunately CT doesn't have anything close to the Ablaze. I ordered a couple warm whites in EVERY style they carry under $1.69 a lamp, and can tell you that they have very little single LED ones that would work; and none of the single LEDs are frosted so they will have a sharper more directed beam that may not be as good as what I liked on mine -- and they'll cost a fair bit more than Ablaze from PBL (even factoring in extra shipping costs for separate order).

At CT, their only singles are:
Wide 170* -- these are like the 170* Ablazes -- just with full rectification -- but not good for inserts, sharp ring points as well wont work for backbox (See my other threads with comparison pics)

Mini - These might work for inserts but will have to me moved a bit farther from the plastic or it will have a sharp center dot.

Regular 90* - These have a solid clear dome but are comparable to the mini's -- but taller so will be much closer to the insert.

Super - These have 3 points of light and end up being way too bright (IMHO -- if you want blinding, go with supers and ultras, if you want similar to original, go with Ablaze-1 point of light and CT 2 mini smd frosted--2 points of light on those)

For buttons -- High speed had translucent flipper buttons in Red. They may have been changed by route owners if broken but that's the original. Unfortunately there is no way you can use the flipper kit from CT directly -- they are designed for newer DMD games that have a convenient 12V connection by them to hook into. On High Speed you will need to plug in a 12V power supply and do some manual wiring, or grab something off the power board (I don't recall if there is a 9-12V supply or not?) -- or do some simple modifications to their LED board to swap out the resistor for one that works with a 6V supply, then just hack the power from the wires going to the coin door lights.

I'll be tackling this myself in the coming weeks as I need to do a CT order today and get in on a free one as well. I will post details once I have completed installation.

BTW--I also swapped out my chewed up black plunger rod with a translucent red one ($5.95 @ PBL) to match the buttons.

4 months later
#9 6 years ago

Thanks! This helped a ton!

5 years later
#10 10 months ago

I find that the very top of the playfield under the ramp is still very dark despite upgrading to leds and adding spotlights. Any solution?

Second question. Is there an led solution for those larger bulbs? (are they called flashers?). That top-left corner bulb would work great to illuminate under the ramp but not sure if it’s on all the time (mine is missing)

#11 10 months ago

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