Code can only go so far. Deep code didn't save wpt in my opinion and the fact that it languishes at the low end of late model stern value bears out that this is the general opinion on it.

The hobbit layout just isn't very inspiring. I haven't played the latest code, I would like to get some games on it. I put probably 50 on it already in league play and also just to see how it is. I'm not too impressed so far.

"So not impressed you played it 50 times?!"

Come on, you gotta do better than that as an argument. You WANT to give every game a chance to win you over and you don't do that with 5 games.

Not everybody is gonna like every game, even one you paid $8000 clams for. That's life. It's not like people are putting stickers of Calvin pissing on a JJP logo on the back window of their F-150.

Don't take it so personally. If you are happy with it that's the important thing.

Back when pinball machines didn't cost $8,000, and people didn't pay these obscene amounts of money 3 years in advance and pray they haven't been Jpopped it wasn't as much of an issue.

People are investing more money than ever in these games, and as such, are investing more personally than they ever have before. You'll never see someone get as defensive over their purchase of a $400 Big Brave, because they just don't give that much of a shit. "You don't like big brave? Your loss it's a great game!" Instead of "you have a sinister agenda! You are a complete douchebag and you are wrong this the best game ever just shut your pie hole and stop being a hater mchateface you stupid hater!!!"

The more expensive these games, the more of a life and death struggle it becomes. God forbid your wife makes it to the boards and finds that the game you've been trying to convince her is both awesome and a sound financial investment is not actually universally beloved in the pinball community.

That's how I see it, and many others do as well. Maybe we are wrong. Maybe we are crazy.

But it just might be a lunatic you are looking for.

Getaway has like 5 shots yet it's a whole shitload more fun than The Hobbit or WPT. Completely pointless "statistic."

WPT blew when it came out, it blows today, and, if trends continue, it will blow well into the future. The play is "well regarded" by like 5 people. Granted, one of them is a good friend of mine, but hey there's no accounting for taste.

Yes, you like The Hobbit, we know. Sorry but a lot of us want a game that offers more (far more) then just a whole bunch of pointless shots that aren't satisfying or modes that are all the same and not any fun to play. Hobbit is a fun game but it's nice having a simple quest that is much more satisfying, and does one or two things extremely well than a ton of different things to do in a very mediocre and undistinguished fashion.

Ok, so you think we should stop criticizing things about games we don't like, or defending things about games we do like. I guess Pinside should just be for arguing about prices or posting gaudy pictures of over-LEDd games? Cause that's about all we'd have left.

How many shots does Space Mission have? That swinging target has to count for like 20 on its own, right?

HOLY SHIT!

No wonder that game was so popular.

This is a huge issue with Hobbit software. Everything scores the same. There's no progression, and no excitement. Maybe that's been addressed in the code update.