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My first EM - Surfer. Newb needs help.

By Fifty

1 year ago

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#46 11 months ago

Set up your camera in macro mode....
and then try with or without flash.....

Happy Thanksgiving!

#49 11 months ago
Quoted from Mopar:

I have a Cannon "Power Shot SX20 IS"

Like this one? (green arrow)
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Just press the left side of a button and ready to go (flower logo)

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#51 11 months ago

Hmmmm, your camera is WAY better than my little old camera.....a 2007 Canon SD600 with only 6MP
Keep trying to figure it out, buddy!
I just took a picture with macro and flash on........
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#59 11 months ago

I looked all the pictures.......
I see Fifty's "V" relay has 2 rows of switches with 8-slot armature in position Q......
Mopar's "V" relay has 1 row of switches with 4-slot armature

#62 11 months ago

You're welcome Fifty!
You are going to rebuild 4 relays!!! .....H, Q, U and V
Disolder all the wires and bring 2 relays to your workbench and other 2 to trash bin and
get another 2 new or used "AG" relays housing frames and clips.....
Make a list of each relay....

For V:

One 4-Slot E/M Armature with Insulated Arm # A-5369
One Spring # A-5081
Two Make Switch with what size? small or large points ??
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How many 1/16" and 3/64" bakelite switch blade separators?
How many override blade retainer?
What length of screws for a stack of switches?

Well.....me think you should buy 3-5 cheap used relays from "The EM seeking parts thread"
Disassembly all into pieces and build new one? ........exactly match with Mopar's pictures?

Can't wait to see your machine to get working again.....Good luck!!!

#74 11 months ago

Is the orange wire hot (25v) ??
If yes, then you have a problem somewhere between S coil and Replay button.

Take a photo of your schematic (from coils V and S to 25v line) and post it.....
Like this (mine for Jet Spin)
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#76 11 months ago
Quoted from Fifty:

No the orange is not hot.

Ok, look at between the replay button and 25v line in my Jet Spin schematic.....see the green circles? these are all
4 normally closed switches-- AX, Motor 1C, Motor 2B and Anti-Cheat switches.
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Test each switch and make sure fully closed.... clean the contact points with very fine sandpaper.
Do you know the location of motor 1C and 2B switches?
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Edit: You can bypass a switch or more with an alligator clip jumper wire......easy to find out.
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#78 11 months ago
Quoted from HowardR:

If the Replay Button doesn't activate the Replay Button (V) relay, inspect and diagnose this circuit with Alligator clip jumper wires.
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He doesn't have the original V relay...... his bottom panel has been hacked.
He's gonna find a replacement for V and install soon.

#82 11 months ago
Quoted from Fifty:

I still couldn't get the alligators in there......

That's OK, use a multimeter.
When you find a faulty switch, adjust the leaf blades with a small flat screwdriver to function correctly.
If all AX, 1C, 2B and Anti-Cheat switches are fully functioning.......you will have a hot orange wire......
and move on to W switch, Zero Pos. Replay Unit switch, U switches, etc....all the way to V and S coils later.

Better tools from PBR.....
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Don't forget to take a picture of your schematic...(V and S only)....Howard's pic is little hard to read....

You can add some credits manually on Credit unit with your finger..... for replay button tests.

Anti-Cheat switch is on coin door.....


#84 11 months ago
Quoted from Fifty:

Using the credit switch to add credits manually is not working either.

Yes, it's same 25v circuit with Replay Button....See Howard's pic with my new 25v orange line.....
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#88 11 months ago
Quoted from wayner:

perhaps that first left terminal on the female jones plug.

I think so.......check the color wire on male Jones plug......color matched?
That Jones plug is from the removable "AS" Relay (mini stepper)

#90 11 months ago

I'm not sure.......maybe a faulty switch in Player Unit in back box? check P5A and P5B switches??
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