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My first EM... help me start thinking through what to do! (Cover Girl

By 27dnast

7 years ago


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#1 7 years ago

Hello EM-ers!

I'm procrastinating with work at the moment so thought I would start this thread. About 5 months ago I got a call from a good friend... he told me a neighbor of mine (a block away) had a pinball machine they wanted hauled out of their home. I went over to check it out and found an EM "Cover Girl". We worked out a very favorable deal. His wife wanted it gone and they had no idea how to move it. I told him I would take it, for the price of moving it. We agreed and the game has been in my basement ever since.

Now, I'll preface this by stating that I've never owned or worked on an EM. The oldest game in my collection is a Black Hole. That's not to say that I don't enjoy playing EMs (I do), but the SS/DMD era games have been more up my collecting alley.

Anyhow, working condition of Cover Girl is unknown. It doesn't power on.

Cosmetic condition is just plain bizarre. I'm 99% sure that Cover Girl was a wedge head. The backbox on this game is far from a wedge. It appears to have been hand made. Not totally sure.

The backless is completely flaking...looks like someone tried to touch it up at some point. But, to my eyes it looks like a lost cause.

The cabinet is *I think* the wrong cabinet. Paint/design doesn't look right as compared to what I've found on the net. Left side of the cabinet has wallpaper on it. The front looks like it was spray painted silver. And the right is mediocre condition. Overall, though, the cabin is solid.

Legs are trashed, probably can be revived somewhat.

Play field looks like its in great condition.

The owner told me that he grew up with this machine in his basement. It was his father's (who is now deceased)...but it has been in his family for at least 40 years. He has no idea about its history. It was recently mostly working (possibly some issues with scoring reel)...then stopped working.

I'm not quite ready to dig into this game... work this December is crushing me. But, I'm hoping to start thinking through what I need to consider. My original thought was to try and source a wedge head backbox...get a repro (or NOS) back glass...a stencil kit (if they're available). But wanted to get the lay of the land from some seasoned EM eyes.

Once I get more settled, my hope is to restore this puppy and document it on Pinside so I can get advice and guidance. )

#2 7 years ago

Hey there 27dnast. Yes, it was a wedgehead at one point in its life.

I would recommend doing mechanics first, get it working and playing great, then worry about cosmetics. Because things will (probably) not work right when you put it back together, that's how most machines go as they're picky, and adding that on top of a machine that could have any number of terribly long winding problems from whatever it went through in its life, it's a recipe for a bad time and one of those games that never leaves your garage because it's such a pain. Mechanics first, definitely. Don't do any work on the cabinet until then is my strong recommendation!

If you sleep on it and feel it's too much I'm driving through Maryland Sunday and Monday. Make sure you keep an open mind because they are nothing like solid state and DMD games, not from a playing standpoint, not from a cosmetic standpoint, and certainly not underneath. These are a whole new beast, in good ways and bad ways but I love both.

#3 7 years ago

That sounds like good advice.

I'm totally into get my hands wet on this... broadening my pinball knowledge. Game looks pretty cool, too boot!

Any guess how this may have become a frankenstein machine?

And... in terms of sourcing a new head. How available. are wedge head back boxes?

Todd

#4 7 years ago

Head could of gotten broken, wet, lost, who knows. Some crazy things have happened to these machines in their life, some really really bizarre things and this is how some end up all these decades later.

They're probably not too bad to get made (maybe a little pricey) and of course a ton of machines shared the same original head, so a used one probably wouldn't be very hard to find either. I forget if the early 60's ones are any different than the ones up until 1979. I feel like they were, which would decrease your chances a little as you'd need to find one from the mid-60's to 1960.

#5 7 years ago

Hmmm... you're probably right. Someone probably has junker cabinets lying around from games that didn't survive....

I guess my first task is going to be getting the head back on and getting it on its legs. That's when the fun begins. Right?

#6 7 years ago

Try to post some pics of the pin so we can judge, might not be that bad.

#7 7 years ago

poppapin ... I did post pics and they didn't show. Weird... let me try this again:

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#8 7 years ago

Pretty much. Yes, it's annoying to take apart again for cosmetics, but you'll need it set up to work on the mechanics of it. (Very preferably)

#9 7 years ago

Looks like maybe a modified Gottlieb or Bally multiplayer head if it's not homemade.

#10 7 years ago

That cabinet is from a 4 player Gottlieb Liberty Belle game. Unfortunately the top and bottom of the cabinet are wrong for a wedgehead. You'll need a complete wedge head cabinet from 1961-1964

Mike V

#11 7 years ago
Quoted from RacingPin:

That cabinet is from a 4 player Gottlieb Liberty Belle game. Unfortunately the top and bottom of the cabinet are wrong for a wedgehead. You'll need a complete wedge head cabinet from 1961-1964
Mike V

That's weird...

So someone scrapped a Liberty Belle... then transferred all of the guts of a Cover Girl over to the cab?

Here's my noob question: Do the layout of the guts of the Liberty Belle mimic that of a Cover Girl? Are EMs interchangeable ?

#12 7 years ago

The guts are different especially for a 1 player versus a 4 player. I would theorize that the cover girl cabinet got moisture damaged and they swapped the guts. The head guts would be more complicated. Though I wonder what happened to the liberty bell that they needed to gut that one

On the bright side that is the best cover girl playfield I've seen. Those little silver squares wear off easy. Backglass, plastics are available repro

Mike V

#13 7 years ago

Hey, would you mind measuring that backbox for me? It looks close to a match for what I'm looking for, for my Star-Jet rebuild project. I doubt it's a direct match but I'm curious on how close it is.

Although I don't have a wedgehead head to trade, I'm sure I could toss you a little cash to offset the cost of your wedge-head if you'd like while also helping save another game rather than just your head ending up in the trash.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/saving-1963-star-jet-saving-working-very-rare-part-out-destroyed-em

#14 7 years ago
Quoted from 27dnast:

That's weird...
So someone scrapped a Liberty Belle... then transferred all of the guts of a Cover Girl over to the cab?
Here's my noob question: Do the layout of the guts of the Liberty Belle mimic that of a Cover Girl? Are EMs interchangeable ?

The backglass has been reproduced by Ron Webb. It is still listed on his website, but you may want to contact him in person to see if he actually has one. http://pinballglass.homestead.com/

#15 7 years ago
Quoted from Otaku:

Hey, would you mind measuring that backbox for me? It looks close to a match for what I'm looking for, for my Star-Jet rebuild project. I doubt it's a direct match but I'm curious on how close it is.
Although I don't have a wedgehead head to trade, I'm sure I could toss you a little cash to offset the cost of your wedge-head if you'd like while also helping save another game rather than just your head ending up in the trash.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/saving-1963-star-jet-saving-working-very-rare-part-out-destroyed-em

I can check... but I I don't think I'all look to move the cab until I have a replacement cab. Would be way too much of a mess for me to look after.

Is there anyone in the EM world known for stock piling cabs?

#16 7 years ago
Quoted from 27dnast:

I can check... but I I don't think I'all look to move the cab until I have a replacement cab. Would be way too much of a mess for me to look after.
Is there anyone in the EM world known for stock piling cabs?

You can try placing ads on the usual sites. It's possible that someone has a hopelessly trashed parts game with that style of cabinet. Not all wedgehead cabinets are the same. "Cover Girl" has the earliest type of wedgehead cabinet. There were approximately 14 different wedgehead models made with this type of cabinet. It is the shallowest of the wedgehead bodies (each subsequent version was deeper), and has the thinner ball push up rod, and "beehive" style ball shooter bezel. Also, the center of the "neck" (pedestal) is indented, and the head has a wooden channel in the rear to accept the lower edge of the inverted style metal rear panel. The bolt hole spacing for mounting the head to the body is different than later versions. Gottlieb made incremental changes to the cabinet designs as the years passed. The major components of your "Cover Girl" would probably fit easily into later wedgehead cabinets, but you should try to get the original type if possible.

#17 7 years ago
Quoted from jrpinball:

You can try placing ads on the usual sites. It's possible that someone has a hopelessly trashed parts game with that style of cabinet. Not all wedgehead cabinets are the same. "Cover Girl" has the earliest type of wedgehead cabinet. There were approximately 14 different wedgehead models made with this type of cabinet. It is the shallowest of the wedgehead bodies (each subsequent version was deeper), and has the thinner ball push up rod, and "beehive" style ball shooter bezel. Also, the center of the "neck" (pedestal) is indented, and the head has a wooden channel in the rear to accept the lower edge of the inverted style metal rear panel. The bolt hole spacing for mounting the head to the body is different than later versions. Gottlieb made incremental changes to the cabinet designs as the years passed. The major components of your "Cover Girl" would probably fit easily into later wedgehead cabinets, but you should try to get the original type if possible.

Great info.

Outside of eyeballing...is there any kind of identification stamp on each series of cabinets?

#18 7 years ago
Quoted from 27dnast:

Great info.
Outside of eyeballing...is there any kind of identification stamp on each series of cabinets?

Unfortunately no. Maybe you'd find a serial number, but that doesn't help much as there is no identifying information like a model number on them (usually).

#19 7 years ago

Just my opinion, but I would try to get it working first. Hopefully it was just a cabinet swap and the game is otherwise complete.

#20 7 years ago
Quoted from 27dnast:

Great info.
Outside of eyeballing...is there any kind of identification stamp on each series of cabinets?

No. Just the identifying characteristics that I described. This is a list of the wedgeheads that have this type of cabinet. I may have missed one or two, but it's mostly comprehensive, but not in any particular order.
Flipper
Flipper Fair
Flipper Parade
Flipper Clown
Flipper Cowboy
Foto Finish
Olympics
Egg Head
Rack a Ball
Show Boat
Cover Girl
Big Casino
Tropic Isle
Corral

#21 7 years ago
Quoted from jrpinball:

No. Just the identifying characteristics that I described. This is a list of the wedgeheads that have this type of cabinet. I may have missed one or two, but it's mostly comprehensive, but not in any particular order.
Flipper
Flipper Fair
Flipper Parade
Flipper Clown
Flipper Cowboy
Foto Finish
Olympics
Egg Head
Rack a Ball
Show Boat
Cover Girl
Big Casino
Tropic Isle
Corral

Check that. I believe there is a model number for each type of cabinet stamped somewhere inside. It's usually a number like D-12345.
I'll bet Steve Young of The Pinball Resource would know. I'll ask him if I get a chance soon.

#22 7 years ago
Quoted from jrpinball:

Check that. I believe there is a model number for each type of cabinet stamped somewhere inside. It's usually a number like D-12345.
I'll bet Steve Young of The Pinball Resource would know. I'll ask him if I get a chance soon.

Thank you!

#23 7 years ago

There's a thread here on Pinside that you might want to post to.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/looking-for-cabinet-headbackbox-thread-buy-sell-trade

#24 7 years ago

I can set you up with a cabinet and head with the proper artwork. I travel back and forth to Md my kid goes to school in Baltimore. You can see pics of past work here on my profile.

#25 7 years ago

I'm guessing you'lol be out of my pricing range for this game... but shoot me a pm

#26 7 years ago

If you kept it in that cabinet, you would have one unique Cover Girl. It's amazing what people or operators will try to put together to make work.

#27 7 years ago
Quoted from dmbjunky:

If you kept it in that cabinet, you would have one unique Cover Girl. It's amazing what people or operators will try to put together to make work.

You mean restore / repainted the cab into a cover girl?

#28 7 years ago
Quoted from 27dnast:

You mean restore / repainted the cab into a cover girl?

Don't waste time and effort doing that. It's a wedgehead, and should be in the correct cabinet. Until then, I'd just leave that cabinet as is.
Shop the playfield, and get a new backglass, but try to locate the correct style cabinet if you're going to go to the trouble of painting it.
Just my humble opinion.

#29 7 years ago

Hey, 27dnast.........

My suggestion is to use JR's list of pinballs and find yourself a complete used cabinet for the game if you're going to keep it. No offense, but that cabinet head with a single-player backglass is butt-ugly! The cabinet lower portion is also much different. Once this is found, you'll more than likely want to seek out a better backglass as well.

You will also need the bottom cabinet portion lock-down bar, which never comes with the cabinet purchase. This will be a pricy / very tough find. The lock-down bar you presently have will not work on the correct single-player cabinet. All other metal, (that I can think of), should transfer without a problem, as well as the beehive shooter.

In the end, you will have a nice desirable game, but this is a project that will take some time and investment. Finding a complete cabinet and doing a re-paint, along with the price of the backglass, lock-down bar and back door may very well have you upside down, (regarding ROI). Best to decide now if you can live with that possibility. If not, the condition of the playfield should make this game an easy sell.......

#30 7 years ago
Quoted from Boatcat:

Hey, 27dnast.........
My suggestion is to use JR's list of pinballs and find yourself a complete used cabinet for the game if you're going to keep it. No offense, but that cabinet head with a single-player backglass is butt-ugly! The cabinet lower portion is also much different. Once this is found, you'll more than likely want to seek out a better backglass as well.
You will also need the bottom cabinet portion lock-down bar, which never comes with the cabinet purchase. This will be a pricy / very tough find. The lock-down bar you presently have will not work on the correct single-player cabinet. All other metal, (that I can think of), should transfer without a problem, as well as the beehive shooter.
In the end, you will have a nice desirable game, but this is a project that will take some time and investment. Finding a complete cabinet and doing a re-paint, along with the price of the backglass, lock-down bar and back door may very well have you upside down, (regarding ROI). Best to decide now if you can live with that possibility. If not, the condition of the playfield should make this game an easy sell.......

Thanks for the input. Really appreciate it.

Any ideas as to the value of what I have, in hand, currently? Assume it works 95%

I'm guessing a super nice Cover Girl is probably work $500...$600?

#31 7 years ago
Quoted from 27dnast:

Thanks for the input. Really appreciate it.
Any ideas as to the value of what I have, in hand, currently? Assume it works 95%
I'm guessing a super nice Cover Girl is probably work $500...$600?

Super nice..maybe $800 or $900. What you have...$200.

#32 7 years ago

Kevin Redzinski from New Jersey might have a something for you. He paints / refurbishes cabs.
[email protected]

#33 7 years ago
Quoted from Budman:

Kevin Redzinski from New Jersey might have a something for you. He paints / refurbishes cabs.
[email protected]

I think he may have already commented above. Isn't he "paintpins"?

#34 7 years ago
Quoted from bonzo71:

Super nice..maybe $800 or $900. What you have...$200.

I think it's worth a bit more with that nice of a playfield. $350-$400 more like it as is.

#35 7 years ago
Quoted from Boatcat:

should transfer without a problem, as well as the beehive shooter.

I don't think that shooter shaft would work with an original cabinet. It's that strange type that's integrated into the lockdown bar assembly so it's probably longer than needed. The original cabinet style lockdown bar is the wingnut type, and as "boatcat" said, they're tough to come by.

#36 7 years ago

And Pinside's promoted ads are doing well because they have a Cover Girl coming up listed at $1200! Who knows if it will get that much but at least the ad is relevant.

#37 7 years ago
Quoted from bonzo71:

Super nice..maybe $800 or $900. What you have...$200.

I think this, "What You Have," quote is a bit harsh. Given the interest explosion in playfield reproduction, along with the condition of this playfield, hard telling what someone might offer for it. Personally, I'd need to see more close-up pictures, but if it's that nice, my guess would be $400+ especially since it's pre-wired.

JR's info above concerning the shooter rod is accurate, (forgot about it, sorry). Since it is incorporated into the lock-down bar of your game, the rod is approx 1" longer than what you'll need.

#38 7 years ago

Step one is getting it set up... which might take a few weeks... I'll get some better photos then and work on getting it up and running.

2 months later
#39 7 years ago

Well... this game is still sitting... and I've decided to sell it as is... like most of you, I have to pick and choose how I spend my precious pinball time and I think this Cover Girl is going to soak up more than I'm willing to commit.

If you might be interested in buying...shoot me a pm and I can supply some pics.

I did give the play field a closer look... overall very nice, however it looks like someone probably did some minor touch-ups on the checks down in the flipper area. Game was supposed working as recently as a year ago...

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